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What about the british docs on revenge of the sith like the one on skyone and the two that were given out in newspapers in the u.k. There is also george lucas: flying solo bbc omnibus special. Mark hamill interviews on the big breakfast and gmtv. George Lucas interview on the big breakfast. Footage of the u.k. special edition premiere.

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That's the Leonard whats-his-name interview, isn't it?
Yes, it's at the beginning of my UK VHS versions, and also on the Faces laserdsics I believe.

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Maltin. Leonard Maltin. Uber-geek. License to fawn.
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I have come to the conclusion that Rikter owns some sort of TARDIS that enables him to collect all this stuff, watch it, torrent it, make covers, answer questions and help people out, send it out and then have a busy normal family life

Cool list, Rik m8

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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
What about the british docs on revenge of the sith like the one on skyone and the two that were given out in newspapers in the u.k.


Check out my release thread here:


The Official babyhum release thread
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I am in full support of this project, which seems to already be ongoing in some form with babyhum and ocpmovie's releases. I'll forward anything I can get my hands on to these preservation masters to further the release schedule.

I'd like to see a definitive list of "Making Of" specials, both common and rare. However, I hope I'm not alone in not really wanting to see things like "Star Woids" included (which is on DVD anyway)... I put these in a different category as "unauthorized geek fodder" (not necessarily a bad thing). I don't want to see specials about Star Wars geeks included here, just specials about the films themselves, using real, authorized footage. "Star Woids", "The Fandom Menace", etc. can be a different project if someone wants.

How about a website hosting the definitive list by release year for all to utilize? I'd be happy to put it on starwarscutscenes.com if we can draw up the list first. They are very relevant to cut scenes fanatics anyway, given that a lot of our sources are those specials.

--SKot

Projects:
Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
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Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
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ok here's a pass at a list:

%20's SW Media List
http://noneinc.com/Archive/StarWarsMedia/SWMediaList.html

((((Updated here: http://noneinc.com/Archive/FlimsiplastDatabase/))))

At this point, besides giving other titles, please critic the layout and category choices. I differ from most of you, in that this list is something which i would hope would include everything SW related. [And then those listings/database could be searchable for documentaries. But that requires database/web/skillz. (anyone got any?)]

Anyway, the list is divided as follows:
1. The Movies (SW:ANH, SW:IV, SW:V, SW:IV, SW:I, SW:II, SW:III)
___A. In each of these categories
______1) The film version & any variation to original presentation, ie the theater experience
______2) any official released version (VHS, LD, DVD, etc. maybe add TV airings here too)
______3) any specials aired at around that time
______4) any Fan Preservation Versions
______5) any Fan Edit Versions
2. Trilogy Specials - Mainly focus on the Movies, these are where most of the documentaries will show up
3. Expanded Universe - Holiday Special, Droids, Ewoks, Clone Wars, etc.
4. News/Interviews/Reports - these are similar to the Trilogy Specials, but they might wander (like how most Lucas interviews start to talk about the business of LFL) so i made another category
5. Related Specials - This is the catch all category.
6. Actors Specials - shows which might have alot of SW content but are about a specific person
7. Fandom - documentaries on fandom, Fan films would end up here too
8. Foreign Take/Rip Offs - Copyright Infringement is your best entertainment value

I got hung up at times trying to figure out where to place individual titles in the categories i've created.

Otherwise the presentation is a direct lift from vcdquality since i'm a fan of having too much information on the screen at one time. Presentation wise, there's a site where they have individual entries like vcdquality, but when you click on one, it expands to provide further info. (might be isohunt) that would be the dream presentation. otherwise, having a one page for each title, to provide basic info & an example pic would be a further step.

but at this point take a look, see what you like, what you don't like. feel free to make the info into something useful.
(use the find command, if something doesn't end up where you thought it should have been)
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I see now that SKot mentioned to post them in chronological order, which seems like a good idea now.... will edit as time permits.

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That's a great start.

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None, that would be the holy grail!
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hey gang--lurker with his first post. i just want to say to start THANK YOU and something you've been hearing a lot lately, I bet: i never knew a community like this existed, and it is so cool to see people who are as obsessed with this stuff as I can be. i've been buying tapes at cons and recording stuff off TV for years.

this thread really intrigues me, but more from the list aspect than the actual collecting of materials aspect. the list project is something I've thought would be a good idea for a very long time, and even spent a morning last september trying to play with my very shitty web skills to put something simple together on verizon's webservers. it did not go well.

anyway, i would really love to help out with any effort to compile a list of all the SW-related documentaries, specials, major TV appearances, and such...basically all non-movie SW video, although it could also encompass fan edits and fan editions (all the great LD rips for example).

none, I think your list is indeed a great start! i would agree that it should be organized by date. eventually it could be a searchable webpage so info would be easy to access, but for now I think date would be important for the sake of having some kind of hard barometer to organize the list. i think by "date" i also mean specific release date, so for example, all the LD rips would actually get indexed in 2004 or 2005 or whenever they came out, NOT with the film in 1977. I think this is also more true to the spirit of the releases...they're versions of the films for modern fans who want the originals, and not contemporary releases to the original films.

i think your categories are also quite good too...although again, organizing by date kinda helps you to avoid having to come up with such distinctions, which are admittedly difficult.

there are some lines that do need to be drawn perhaps as the project goes forward, but if we just collect all the info for now, it's easy enough to present it and fans who want to filter out fan-made docs, or animated series, or whatever can do so on their own.

the most important distinction i think we need to make is between the OT.com/myspleen releases and the actual material on them. for example, something like the original Making of Star Wars as told by C3P0 and R2D2 is by itself important, but it's on several releases. I think we need to catalog the material and NOT the releases. Info on the releases could be part of the catalog--say, a list of which releases that special appears on--but the catalog itself would index the material and not the discs themselves.

i'd actually also love to see more info somehow in the listing...for example:

Title
Original airdate & network
Length
Info/summary
Releases available on

this doesn't necessarily work for the format you have, none, but it could be adapted into a webpage where each year has just a listing you scroll down. eventually we could reach a point where every title has its own page, but for now, i think the list makes the most sense.

If this is stuff everyone thinks is cool, I say we start on the ANH-era stuff, basically 1977-1980, and get our list going. I'd be happy to act as the conduit/compiler of all the info and to write as much of it as I can, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes if this is something someone else would rather do. If so, I'll just work on getting entries together and sending them along.

i'll use the info in this thread and bum around online today to see if I can't get a few sample entries up in this thread to get us started. thanks again for, um, i guess for just existing!
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Wonderful DarthAstuart!

Yeah same never knew this existed.

Look forward seeing you around
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okay, here's an example of what I mean...this is just a rough list that encompasses (very much incompletely!) 1975-1980. i'd envision it divided into pages maybe by Pre-1977, 1977, 1978-1979, 1980, and so on.

the only part I haven't added yet is the list of releases each special is included on, or basically, places you can find it. i'm thinking that might be the last step...once a master list is created, I can go back (hopefully with the help of others) and list exactly which available releases each item is on, if any.

i hope to get the pre-prequel era version of this done pretty fast so that it's done, and then it'd be great to find someplace to host it, or someone to design a website around it...as I said, that is NOT my strong suit! once it's up, it'll also be easier to revise and add to since everyone will be able to see it and can e-mail in changes that can be incorporated.

anyway, lemme know what you think, and if anyone already has stuff to add to this early list from 1975-1980, let me know. thanks!

Star Wars : The 1975 Casting Auditions
XXXXX, 1975
Never aired – bootleg release
XX minutes
Original audition tapes in black and white from Star Wars. Features the leading cast of the original film along with actors who were not cast in the film's leads, including Kurt Russell, Amy Irving, and more.

Making of Star Wars as told by C-3PO & R2-D2
September 16, 1977
ABC-TV (USA)
60 minutes
C-3PO and R2-D2 "host" a documentary chronicling the production of the first Star Wars film.

The Donny & Marie Show
Guest stars: C-3PO, R2-D2, Chewbacca, Darth Vader (also Kris Kristofferson, Paul Lynde, and Redd Foxx)
September 23, 1977
ABC-TV (USA)
15 min (approx)
A sketch on the Donny & Marie musical variety show that lampoons Star Wars in the most kitschy and seventies way imaginable.

The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson
Guest star: Mark Hamill
November 29, 1977
NBC-TV (USA)
60 minutes
Mark Hamill was a guest on this talk show.

The Bob Hope All-Star Christmas Comedy Special
Guest stars: Mark Hamill
December 19, 1977
NBC-TV (USA)
60 minutes
Features a parody sketch of Star Wars.

Star Wars Holiday Special
November 17, 1978
CBS-TV (USA)
2 hours
An original television movie featuring the entire cast of the original Star Wars, as well as guest stars Art Carney, Bea Arthur, and Harvey Korman. Must be seen to be believed. The Nelvana cartoon in the special is the first appearance of Boba Fett.

The Muppet Show
Guest stars: Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew and R2-D2
January 16, 1980, Syndicated
30 minutes
A guest appearance by the "stars of Star Wars" on The Muppet Show.

Sesame Street
February 14, 15 & 18, 1980
PBS-TV (USA)
60 minutes
C-3PO and R2-D2 featured in segments on three episodes of Sesame Street from 1980.

Sesame Street Workprints
Never aired – bootleg release
XX minutes
Raw footage from the C-3PO and R2-D2 appearance on Sesame Street.

Classic Kenner Commercials
Various networks & dates
Bootleg release
A compilation of commercials promoting the Kenner Star Wars toys.
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Thanks for the feedback DarthAstuart, I began a revision:
http://noneinc.com/Archive/StarWarsMedia/SWMediaListVer2.html
((((Updated here: http://noneinc.com/Archive/FlimsiplastDatabase/))))
It's greatly simplified, and is in chonological order. (year/month/day) At the moment i'm envisioning that this page will list everything, very simple and straight forward, then the "Info" category will link to another document which will contain show specifics. Everything from basic information (who, what, when, description, imdb link, synopsis, various searches, etc.) to the different forms it's been preserved in. (check out vcdquality.com for their individual entry pages, i'm going to copy from them to start)

As for the basic listing page, i'm slowly getting away from the color key (maybe ver3 will remove it) but i would like to maintain someway to differentiate between cannon, official, semi-official and fan activities. Is it enough that fan preservation versions would only be mentioned in the individual Entry pages? (i think this is what you we're alluding too) So most likely the Type category will disappear. Spacewise there's room on this main page for other info, which would be important enough to show up here?

I don't think there will be so many releases that splitting them up by year into different pages would be necessary, i've left a bar (which has a link to, so if your at the top of the page you can quickly click to a year later in the document) for each of the major years. Most likely for each movie release year.

One way to have it so that the complete listing can be viewed on the same page with the individual entries would be to use frames:
http://noneinc.com/Archive/StarWarsMedia/SWMediaMain.html
((((Updated here: http://noneinc.com/Archive/FlimsiplastDatabase/))))
That will give you some sense of how that might work. thus each entry would have a link which would end up in the Entry Section below.

At the time being, just getting a list is all i'm going to focus on. If i have to start worrying about tracking down copies nothing will get done and it will bog down the thread. as you'll find on this site, there is an active trading network in play. time will flush out odd material.

As for help, at the moment just provide feedback on the set up. Feel free to do a save as and muck around with what's been done. Once everyone's satisfied with the bones, then we can all type type type all the information in.

Having filtering capabilities, means having a database system. (PHP? is that the correct terminology?) I personally don't know it, but would be happy to learn it, need some guidance, i don't know where to start. It would be great if a database could be set up, and anyone could add information, like how wikipedia works...

...could we use wikipedia? Anyone have any experience with their system?
Here's their 'Star Wars' entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars
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Awesome None!!

Yeah eventually we will have to track down as much as possible since thats the ultimate goal
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none--awesome work! me likey.

Originally posted by: none

As for the basic listing page, i'm slowly getting away from the color key (maybe ver3 will remove it) but i would like to maintain someway to differentiate between cannon, official, semi-official and fan activities. Is it enough that fan preservation versions would only be mentioned in the individual Entry pages? (i think this is what you we're alluding too) So most likely the Type category will disappear. Spacewise there's room on this main page for other info, which would be important enough to show up here?

i would actually list fan preservation versions (which I"d call "fan editions" for the sake of shortness/clarity) and fan edits on this list as their own items. i'm not sure how I feel about listing the movies themselves, actually; i'm worried that once we get into tracking the various official releases of the films, we'll get very bogged down! but i guess that's a hurdle to overcome.

my thought is that we could combine the medium and type listing into one listing, Category, where we'll list the various categories. Here's a start at a list of categories; let me know anything I've missed. i'm trying to be as generic as I can so that we don't have fifty million of them.

Theatrical
VHS
DVD
LD
Bootleg
TV Special
TV Guest Star
Fan Edition
Fan Edit
Fan Doc

those could have their own color codes if you wanted in addition to the names; that would look cool and help with visual organization.

Originally posted by: none

One way to have it so that the complete listing can be viewed on the same page with the individual entries would be to use frames:
http://noneinc.com/Archive/StarWarsMedia/SWMediaMain.html

That will give you some sense of how that might work. thus each entry would have a link which would end up in the Entry Section below.

i like the frames version a lot, actually. that could be something the page evolves into once the major main list is complete, so that we can start just by compiling the dirty facts into a big list, and then adding individual item pages to that.

Originally posted by: none

As for help, at the moment just provide feedback on the set up. Feel free to do a save as and muck around with what's been done. Once everyone's satisfied with the bones, then we can all type type type all the information in.


well, i'm not much with HTML, as I've said, so for now I think I'll concentrate on compiling info so that once we have the format, we can have some kind of massive initial dump that will get everything up there to start.

Originally posted by: none

Having filtering capabilities, means having a database system. (PHP? is that the correct terminology?) I personally don't know it, but would be happy to learn it, need some guidance, i don't know where to start. It would be great if a database could be set up, and anyone could add information, like how wikipedia works...

...could we use wikipedia? Anyone have any experience with their system?
Here's their 'Star Wars' entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars
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i have no experience with wikipedia, but i just gave some of their FAQs a quick read. i'm not sure if using it would give us the flexibility we want with the info and how it's presented. as I see it, it'd basically mean creating one big long entry, or many many small entries, which would be able to be edited by anyone, but wouldn't be very efficiently organized.

along those lines, we could easily do something like this on a livejournal or something. but again, same problem: we'd basically create lots of little entries, maybe one for each item. and it'd be hard to order them at all, let alone chronologically, so if something new came up for 1983 for some reason, I'm not sure how you'd put it in the right order. that'd not be such a problem with a wikipedia entry.

the great thing about the list version you have now is that it's a condensed and easily-consumed version of the info, organized in a logical way. it also allows for a poor man's "search" using the find function of the browser, and it allows for later entries to be easily dropped in anywhere on the timeline. so if we learn that mark hamill was on leno in 1997 or something six months from now, we can drop it into the list.

unless someone has the skills and time to build a user interface--or unless there's an interface out there on the web that will let us do this--i don't see how we can set something up that has filters, or that everyone can physically edit. the closest thing would be for this thread or another new thread to exist solely for info for this page, and then the page would have to be updated...

which shouldn't be too work-intensive, especially if we work hard on that initial dump. if we set, say, 1997 as our cut-off year (basically from the beginning to the SE era) and just work hard on that for a few weeks, I bet we can get a rockin' initial list. the info I put together for those early years was actually pretty easy--granted, it's not comprehensive, but maybe we spend a week with everyone who can posting all the info they can find, then edit that into a text list, and then that gets sent to you for the initial list?

if there's a way for me to help with that data entry for the page itself, i would gladly do it, in excel or whatever.
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ADDED a few new titles to my collections this week

NEW -
E TV’s Behind the Scenes - “Revenge of the Sith” Special
- Angrysun Release BLAK0029
- 1 DVDr - Fan Preservation
- Full Episode
- Source - TiVo Series 2 to DVD extraction
- Interactive Menu


NEW -
Science of Star Wars - “Man and Machines” Special
- Angrysun Release BLAK0030
- 1 DVDr - Fan Preservation
- Full Episode
- Source - TiVo Series 2 to DVD extraction
- Interactive Menu

NEW -
Science of Star Wars - “Space Cowboys” Special
- Angrysun Release BLAK0031
- 1 DVDr - Fan Preservation
- Full Episode
- Source - TiVo Series 2 to DVD extraction
- Interactive Menu

NEW -
Science of Star Wars - “War, Weapons and the Force ” Special
- Angrysun Release BLAK0032
- 1 DVDr - Fan Preservation
- Full Episode
- Source - TiVo Series 2 to DVD extraction
- Interactive Menu

NEW -
Science of Star Wars / Animal Icons - “Star Wars Creatures” Special
- Angrysun Release BLAK0033
- 1 DVDr - Fan Preservation
- Full Episode
- Source - TiVo Series 2 to DVD extraction
- Interactive Menu

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Ebert & Roeper - 5/14/05 and 5/28/05: The Star Wars Reviews
- Angrysun Release BLAK0025
- 1 DVDr - Fan Preservation
- Full Episodes for both reviews
- Source - TiVo Series 2 to DVD extraction
- Interactive Menu

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http://noneinc.com/Archive/StarWarsMedia/SWMediaListVer3.html

Version3, I switched to stylesheets (CSS) for some of the formatting things, it should be much tighter this go around. Eventually ever show title will be a link, once i begin to layout the individual entry information page. I would like to add a brief table of contents/explanation. for instance dates are listed Year.Month.Day that needs to be explained. but this seems to be the bare structure. If anyone can write an explanation/definition of "Documentary" that can be used to weed out/in titles, it would be much appreciated.

oh yeah if someone could take a screen capture and pm it to me, i'm curious how this is looking on other systems.
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None, I sent you a private message of the list you have provided, I did a screen capture.
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ditto.
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http://noneinc.com/Archive/StarWarsMedia/SWMediaListVer3.html

I've started adding titles, please suggest titles either in thread or through pm.

At the bottom i've added a "To Be Determined" category. These are titles which i've come across which i've either never seen or just don't know anything about (Star Wars City?!!!), so feel free to comment if any of these titles should be on the list or taken off.

The list premise, i've melded into anything significant which could help someone understand the thought process which went into making the SW Trilogy. So i've added the different versions of the original scripts, and well this could lead to more off topic ideas... so i stopped there.

there's a big gap between 85 and 95, something must have happened.
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http://noneinc.com/Archive/FlimsiplastDatabase/fd_main.html

The listings are now under the banner of the "Flimsiplast Database".

An example of a typical Entry (1975 Casting Auditions) is there to check out.
If there are any categories worth adding to a typical entry, please suggest.

If someone's got PHP and SQL knowledge please contact me, i'd like to learn.
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