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Handman said:

Jaxer said:

Not sure why you’re adding to the irrelevance of a dead end back and forth. Bored?

I see you must be new to internet forums.

Nah. Love pointing my finger at posts like dude’s.

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So this server problem, is it just the website that’s affected, or does it affect the project itself?

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There are several reasons why 4K80 is taking so much longer than the others:

  1. There’s only 1 person working on it right now
  2. Most of the prints are in pretty rough shape, compared to those we have for Star Wars and Jedi
  3. We keep getting more prints of Empire to play with and we want to use the best parts from each:

Currently we have the 16mm dupe, a 1980 Fuji print, a 1980 German print, 1 reel from a British 1980 print and a complete '97 Special Edition print, as well as the older scans we made for the Grindhouse. That’s a lot of film sort through, color correct and clean up. We also bought an Italian print of Empire back in June which still hasn’t arrived from Rome, and we know of at least 2 other prints we may be able to scan.

But 4K80 isn’t the only thing we’ve been working on. We also scanned some more prints of Star Wars this year: an Italian print, a low contrast Eastman print with good color, a Mono print with terrible Vinegar Syndrome but hopefully we can salvage the sound, 3 x 16mm prints, Another 97 Special Edition print.

And that’s not all, we scanned another original '83 print of Jedi (which turned out to be pretty beaten up) and we should be getting a '97 SE print of Jedi soon too. We scanned a Czech print of Phantom Menace and a Spanish print of Revenge of the Sith.

We also scanned two more 16mm prints of The Making of Star Wars, 1 more SPFX this week and 1 more From Star Wars to Jedi a few months ago.

Right now, I have over 200 TB of raw film scans backed up to LTO tape, most of which is Star Wars related.

If all of this is news to you, then you should probably head over to forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com to learn more and watch some previews. You can use this code to register: OT-21wceCpKFdYgD1FgHEkjSw4K77-80

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

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Williarob said:

There are several reasons why 4K80 is taking so much longer than the others:

  1. There’s only 1 person working on it right now
  2. Most of the prints are in pretty rough shape, compared to those we have for Star Wars and Jedi
  3. We keep getting more prints of Empire to play with and we want to use the best parts from each:

Currently we have the 16mm dupe, a 1980 Fuji print, a 1980 German print, 1 reel from a British 1980 print and a complete '97 Special Edition print, as well as the older scans we made for the Grindhouse. That’s a lot of film sort through, color correct and clean up. We also bought an Italian print of Empire back in June which still hasn’t arrived from Rome, and we know of at least 2 other prints we may be able to scan.

But 4K80 isn’t the only thing we’ve been working on. We also scanned some more prints of Star Wars this year: an Italian print, a low contrast Eastman print with good color, a Mono print with terrible Vinegar Syndrome but hopefully we can salvage the sound, 3 x 16mm prints, Another 97 Special Edition print.

And that’s not all, we scanned another original '83 print of Jedi (which turned out to be pretty beaten up) and we should be getting a '97 SE print of Jedi soon too. We scanned a Czech print of Phantom Menace and a Spanish print of Revenge of the Sith.

We also scanned two more 16mm prints of The Making of Star Wars, 1 more SPFX this week and 1 more From Star Wars to Jedi a few months ago.

Right now, I have over 200 TB of raw film scans backed up to LTO tape, most of which is Star Wars related.

If all of this is news to you, then you should probably head over to forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com to learn more and watch some previews. You can use this code to register: OT-21wceCpKFdYgD1FgHEkjSw4K77-80

“Right now, I have over 200 TB of raw film scans backed up to LTO tape, most of which is Star Wars related.”
God DAMN, that’s a lot of Star Wars.

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Williarob said:

There are several reasons why 4K80 is taking so much longer than the others:

  1. There’s only 1 person working on it right now
  2. Most of the prints are in pretty rough shape, compared to those we have for Star Wars and Jedi
  3. We keep getting more prints of Empire to play with and we want to use the best parts from each:

Currently we have the 16mm dupe, a 1980 Fuji print, a 1980 German print, 1 reel from a British 1980 print and a complete '97 Special Edition print, as well as the older scans we made for the Grindhouse. That’s a lot of film sort through, color correct and clean up. We also bought an Italian print of Empire back in June which still hasn’t arrived from Rome, and we know of at least 2 other prints we may be able to scan.

But 4K80 isn’t the only thing we’ve been working on. We also scanned some more prints of Star Wars this year: an Italian print, a low contrast Eastman print with good color, a Mono print with terrible Vinegar Syndrome but hopefully we can salvage the sound, 3 x 16mm prints, Another 97 Special Edition print.

And that’s not all, we scanned another original '83 print of Jedi (which turned out to be pretty beaten up) and we should be getting a '97 SE print of Jedi soon too. We scanned a Czech print of Phantom Menace and a Spanish print of Revenge of the Sith.

We also scanned two more 16mm prints of The Making of Star Wars, 1 more SPFX this week and 1 more From Star Wars to Jedi a few months ago.

Right now, I have over 200 TB of raw film scans backed up to LTO tape, most of which is Star Wars related.

If all of this is news to you, then you should probably head over to forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com to learn more and watch some previews. You can use this code to register: OT-21wceCpKFdYgD1FgHEkjSw4K77-80

What is the current status on 4k80?
Is it still in progress?
If so, what time will it take to complete?
And when it is complete, can somebody share a torrent file for me to download?
(I already asked this on forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com, only the users seem as toxic as on reddit.com)

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Status is updated here whenever there is news to report:

https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k80/

It is still being actively worked on (as was actually explained in the post you quoted), if you check the last updated date, the status wheels were updated yesterday.

It’s done when it’s done, and frankly everytime somebody asks me “When’s it going to be done?” - which is no different to asking “how long is a piece of string?” because nobody can know the answer to that question - you only make it take longer - I could have cleaned another 24 frames of 4K80 in the time it took to answer this stupid question. Again.

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

http://www.the007dossier.com

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Williarob said:

Status is updated here whenever there is news to report:

https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k80/

It is still being actively worked on (as was actually explained in the post you quoted), if you check the last updated date, the status wheels were updated yesterday.

It’s done when it’s done, and frankly everytime somebody asks me “When’s it going to be done?” - which is no different to asking “how long is a piece of string?” because nobody can know the answer to that question - you only make it take longer - I could have cleaned another 24 frames of 4K80 in the time it took to answer this stupid question. Again.

You know that you’re posting/updating 4k80 to two forums? If you do not want ‘stupid questions’, then do not post/update to a forum. Post/update some way that doesn’t allow people to discuss/comment/ask questions.
Also, if you do not want people to ask ‘stupid questions’, then how about telling people not to ask for a completion date, or any questions on period of time to complete?
(I really do not understand why you post about your Star Wars projects to a forum, instead of something like a blog.)
(Also, I don’t see a point in saying ‘it’s done when it’s done’. Like, it just keeps things as vague as without saying such. If the case is that there’s no idea on period of time, weeks, months, years, it doesn’t make that clear by saying ‘it’s done when it’s done’.)

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jordy said:

Williarob said:

Status is updated here whenever there is news to report:

https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k80/

It is still being actively worked on (as was actually explained in the post you quoted), if you check the last updated date, the status wheels were updated yesterday.

It’s done when it’s done, and frankly everytime somebody asks me “When’s it going to be done?” - which is no different to asking “how long is a piece of string?” because nobody can know the answer to that question - you only make it take longer - I could have cleaned another 24 frames of 4K80 in the time it took to answer this stupid question. Again.

You know that you’re posting/updating 4k80 to two forums? If you do not want ‘stupid questions’, then do not post/update to a forum. Post/update some way that doesn’t allow people to discuss/comment/ask questions.
Also, if you do not want people to ask ‘stupid questions’, then how about telling people not to ask for a completion date, or any questions on period of time to complete?
(I really do not understand why you post about your Star Wars projects to a forum, instead of something like a blog.)
(Also, I don’t see a point in saying ‘it’s done when it’s done’. Like, it just keeps things as vague as without saying such. If the case is that there’s no idea on period of time, weeks, months, years, it doesn’t make that clear by saying ‘it’s done when it’s done’.)

The information you were asking for is there if you just look for it. Learn how to read. You don’t need to post the same question (that has already been asked a million times) in three different places.

“Always in motion is the future”

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jordy said:
You know that you’re posting/updating 4k80 to two forums?

Yes, because you are asking the same question on two forums and I’m the only guy in the entire world who has answers to your questions, because it’s my project.

jordy said:
(I really do not understand why you post about your Star Wars projects to a forum, instead of something like a blog.)
That main 4K80 page I linked you to is on a blog site, and yet here you are anyway, asking about it.

It’s done when it’s done because there are too many variables. If you actually take the time to read the post you quoted with your original question above, it explains what is happening and why it is taking so long.

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Also, if you do not want people to ask ‘stupid questions’, then how about telling people not to ask for a completion date, or any questions on period of time to complete?

If you bothered to read any of the threads here or on TSWT forums you’d know that we have told people this. Repeatedly. So clearly doing that doesn’t prevent stupid questions.

jordy said:
(Also, I don’t see a point in saying ‘it’s done when it’s done’. Like, it just keeps things as vague as without saying such. If the case is that there’s no idea on period of time, weeks, months, years, it doesn’t make that clear by saying ‘it’s done when it’s done’.)

We’ve been working on this project for at least two years already. If I tell you it will be done on July 23rd 2023 at 7:25 pm will that make you feel better? It’s not at all accurate. It could be done by Christmas this year or in May of next year. The fact is that I have no idea when it will be done. It’s not my day job, it’s just something I work on in my spare time and the amount of spare time I have varies from day to day, week to week. So it will be finished when I finish it and not before.

If you visit the page with the progress wheels regularly you can see progress as it happens, and get some idea of how long it will take. For example, in the last week I’ve cleaned another 15% of Reel 6. I could be doing more clean up right now, but instead here I am patiently explaining all of this to you.

Also, if you are unhappy with the way I’m handling the project feel free to buy your own prints of Empire, get them scanned in 4K, clean them up frame by frame, color correct them, encode them, and create torrents for everybody to enjoy them.

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

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Williarob,

Don’t sweat it brother, there is a high probability this is guy is trolling given that a) His join date is literally within the last 16 hours or so, and b) his first post just happens to be the equivalent of poking a bear with a stick.

Many of us understand the hard work you and the other OT folks are doing. I myself am working on colorizing a deleted scene and it is literally a frame by frame effort.

Folks, LIFE HAPPENS. Leave the worker bees alone. If you are in desperate need of The Empire Strikes Back, there are SEVERAL OPTIONS available.

My apologies if this rubs anyone the wrong way.

Very Respectfully,
Erich

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Williarob, I think you’re assuming some things.

  • I’m not unhappy with the way things are going. I am not biased towards the progress of the project
  • Yes, I asked for a period of time to complete. You can answer that as you like. Again, I’m not biased
  • Today is the first time I recall visiting originaltrilogy.com. Last time I visited starwarsforums.com was years ago. I never follow the comments to the project
  • I understand this is something not done professionally, as in to make money with
  • I’m not complaining with the progress of the project. Again, I’m not biased
  • If people repeatedly ask for it, again, you’re updating the progress to a forum. Such place is there for people to comment. And people who haven’t followed a forum’s threat from the start aren’t gonna read it all, just so they can catch up with everything that’s been commented
  • I understand that restoring from raw material takes time. Yes, I understand that combined with using spare time it takes a long time. Also, my question was not about if it’s gonna take a long time

Also, I think you’re confusing me with people who came to you with ‘you take too long! I wanna watch now! You’ve already done two movies, and now you take long for the third! Move it up already!’

To clear things up better, I only asked, because I’m wondering. I just come to this website, and ask a question. Like, I know it’s been years since the last two movies were completed (I’m not complaining about 4k80), and I was wondering about the current status of progress. I don’t mind if it means that it’s gonna take years. I was just wondering.
Look, I think it’s best for the project not to redirect people to a forum, because those looking for a heads up, and comment a question, are just gonna be in your way.

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erichf69 said:

Williarob,

Don’t sweat it brother, there is a high probability this is guy is trolling given that a) His join date is literally within the last 16 hours or so, and b) his first post just happens to be the equivalent of poking a bear with a stick.

Many of us understand the hard work you and the other OT folks are doing. I myself am working on colorizing a deleted scene and it is literally a frame by frame effort.

Folks, LIFE HAPPENS. Leave the worker bees alone. If you are in desperate need of The Empire Strikes Back, there are SEVERAL OPTIONS available.

My apologies if this rubs anyone the wrong way.

Very Respectfully,
Erich

Gee, that’s real original, calling someone a troll.
Well, it seems this place also is as toxic as reddit…

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Jordy,

Read my post again. I never actually called you a troll, I simply mentioned it was probable. To quote your previous post “you’re assuming some things”.

That is all.

Very Respectfully,
Erich

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Also, williarob, and I’ve talked about this today when filling out the contact form at forums.starwarstrilogy.com, when donating, I can either choose PayPal or Patreon.
In a few days, I’ll get my Visa credit card. If you want, I can donate by Visa. (I do not use either PayPal or Patreon.)

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jordy said:

Well, it seems this place also is as toxic as reddit…

Hmmm. If everywhere you post (OT, Trilogy Forums, Reddit, for example) instantly turns toxic the moment you start typing then perhaps it’s not the people already there who are creating that environment…

Here we are, six pages deep into a thread that’s nearly 3 years old, and there wasn’t any toxicity before you arrived.

Luke: What’s in there?
Yoda: Only what you take with you.

Just sayin’. Food for thought, no?

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Williarob deserves a medal when all of this is over and not just for many years of selfless 4K efforts.

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Guitardemon,

He must be burning the midnight oil…

I looked at the progress wheels for frame cleanup last week and saw an uptick on the 16th, and then today there was even more progress.

Williarob,

What tunes are you listening to when you are in the zone? Or are you the silent worker type?
Earlier last week I colorized about five frames and it seemed to drag on … yesterday I popped on some music and before I knew it, I had completed a probably around 18-20 frames.

I was just curious as to what drives you. Also, when you hit the wall, what do you find helps to get back at the work? Some days I look at at I have done and feel ok, and other days I look at what hasn’t been finished and it seems like it will never end.

At any rate, it is always exciting watching those wheels build up!

Very Respectfully,
Erich

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I usually listen to soundtracks while I work. Right now I’m listening to the Lord of the Rings Soundtrack.

Reel 6 is remarkably clean and complete, so it’s going much more quickly than I had anticipated, based on the other reels.

When I’ve had enough I walk away. On the days where I don’t feel like working on it at all I just don’t. Luckily it’s not my day job so I don’t have that “get it done or you’ll lose your job” pressure. There are also plenty of other things to work on, for example the 16mm SPFX doc, or 4K77 2.0, or even just other aspects of 4K80, such as sourcing the missing frames: Inserts from other prints must be color matched and cleaned and aligned, all of which takes time, but also provides a change, however small that helps keeps things moving but also breaks the monotony.

For anyone who has never worked on a film or animation, frame by frame, working for hours at a time it’s probably difficult to imagine how long it all takes, and how disappointing it can be to count up your frames for the day, whether it’s a dozen or 300 or 1000, and converting that into real time, only to realize that your “wahoo!” moment of “1000 frames!” equates to just 41 seconds of a 2 hour movie. It also means that you end up spending weeks and weeks looking at the stark whiteness of Hoth, or the dunes of Tatooine, or the forests of Endor. That moment when the action shifts to another set can be so refreshing that you can keep going for another hour!

The progress wheels help me a lot. Not only do they keep you informed of my (slow) progress, but it’s psychologically helpful to me - like crossing things to do from a list. It helps me see that there is an end, and every time I can move the wheels I can see I’m getting closer to it. 1% of a reel is about 12 seconds of film or 288 frames, so if I clean less than that in a session, I can’t move the wheels. I like moving the wheels, even by only 1%, so that gives me a goal to hit every time.

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

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Williarob said:

I usually listen to soundtracks while I work. Right now I’m listening to the Lord of the Rings Soundtrack.

Reel 6 is remarkably clean and complete, so it’s going much more quickly than I had anticipated, based on the other reels.

When I’ve had enough I walk away. On the days where I don’t feel like working on it at all I just don’t. Luckily it’s not my day job so I don’t have that “get it done or you’ll lose your job” pressure. There are also plenty of other things to work on, for example the 16mm SPFX doc, or 4K77 2.0, or even just other aspects of 4K80, such as sourcing the missing frames: Inserts from other prints must be color matched and cleaned and aligned, all of which takes time, but also provides a change, however small that helps keeps things moving but also breaks the monotony.

For anyone who has never worked on a film or animation, frame by frame, working for hours at a time it’s probably difficult to imagine how long it all takes, and how disappointing it can be to count up your frames for the day, whether it’s a dozen or 300 or 1000, and converting that into real time, only to realize that your “wahoo!” moment of “1000 frames!” equates to just 41 seconds of a 2 hour movie. It also means that you end up spending weeks and weeks looking at the stark whiteness of Hoth, or the dunes of Tatooine, or the forests of Endor. That moment when the action shifts to another set can be so refreshing that you can keep going for another hour!

The progress wheels help me a lot. Not only do they keep you informed of my (slow) progress, but it’s psychologically helpful to me - like crossing things to do from a list. It helps me see that there is an end, and every time I can move the wheels I can see I’m getting closer to it. 1% of a reel is about 12 seconds of film or 288 frames, so if I clean less than that in a session, I can’t move the wheels. I like moving the wheels, even by only 1%, so that gives me a goal to hit every time.

Don’t stress about it too much. At the end of the day (and I’m just speaking for myself), it would be nice to have it done asap, but that’s just not realistic. You have done an outstanding job (honest to god rivaling quite a few criterion restorations imo) with the other two 4k editions and I can’t wait to see what you’ve done with restoring Empire. Take as much time as you need, definetly don’t feel obligated to rush. We’ve waited decades for this, we can wait a bit longer 😃

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Williarob said:

The progress wheels help me a lot. Not only do they keep you informed of my (slow) progress, but it’s psychologically helpful to me - like crossing things to do from a list. It helps me see that there is an end, and every time I can move the wheels I can see I’m getting closer to it.

I hope you get to spend a little time reading the “thank you” posts & threads too - and get inspiration from them. We love for what you and the team have been doing. Truly appreciated

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Williarob said:

I usually listen to soundtracks while I work. Right now I’m listening to the Lord of the Rings Soundtrack.

Reel 6 is remarkably clean and complete, so it’s going much more quickly than I had anticipated, based on the other reels.

When I’ve had enough I walk away. On the days where I don’t feel like working on it at all I just don’t. Luckily it’s not my day job so I don’t have that “get it done or you’ll lose your job” pressure. There are also plenty of other things to work on, for example the 16mm SPFX doc, or 4K77 2.0, or even just other aspects of 4K80, such as sourcing the missing frames: Inserts from other prints must be color matched and cleaned and aligned, all of which takes time, but also provides a change, however small that helps keeps things moving but also breaks the monotony.

For anyone who has never worked on a film or animation, frame by frame, working for hours at a time it’s probably difficult to imagine how long it all takes, and how disappointing it can be to count up your frames for the day, whether it’s a dozen or 300 or 1000, and converting that into real time, only to realize that your “wahoo!” moment of “1000 frames!” equates to just 41 seconds of a 2 hour movie. It also means that you end up spending weeks and weeks looking at the stark whiteness of Hoth, or the dunes of Tatooine, or the forests of Endor. That moment when the action shifts to another set can be so refreshing that you can keep going for another hour!

The progress wheels help me a lot. Not only do they keep you informed of my (slow) progress, but it’s psychologically helpful to me - like crossing things to do from a list. It helps me see that there is an end, and every time I can move the wheels I can see I’m getting closer to it. 1% of a reel is about 12 seconds of film or 288 frames, so if I clean less than that in a session, I can’t move the wheels. I like moving the wheels, even by only 1%, so that gives me a goal to hit every time.

Very insightful, thanks for sharing. Helps someone unversed in this realm like myself get a bit of perspective on what’s involved, both the complexity and monotony it appears that it is.

Would you accept volunteers for helping out in some way? Obviously we wouldn’t be able to do skilled tasks that’s probably taken you years/decades to acquire, but perhaps there are some “ground level” tasks to prep frames to a baseline that could be diverted to the lowly peasantry, myself included in that category.

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Coldblackice said:
Very insightful, thanks for sharing. Helps someone unversed in this realm like myself get a bit of perspective on what’s involved, both the complexity and monotony it appears that it is.

Would you accept volunteers for helping out in some way? Obviously we wouldn’t be able to do skilled tasks that’s probably taken you years/decades to acquire, but perhaps there are some “ground level” tasks to prep frames to a baseline that could be diverted to the lowly peasantry, myself included in that category.

They´re always looking for help regarding cleaning frames from scratches etc.

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Thanks for existing lol

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Yes thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Im sick right now not enough doctors after the outbreak.

Nerve damage so in alot of pain.

I dream of a day when I can watch all the films back to back on my OLED.

When that days days comes I will have you and people like you to thank.

You don’t need a cape to be a hero.

Thank you deeply for your struggle.