Project #4K77 — Page 10

yotsuya said:

I like the color of the walls, but I find Treepio a bit too uniform and orangy gold for my tastes. That is how he is in the JSC, but not the GOUT. He’s also not so uniform in the Technicolor sample, but your general grading seem to follow that example even though it has been frequently pointed out that the uncorrected Technicolor prints have some known color issues. I think the cleanup and image quality are fabulous, but I that you need to find some key frames and correct the entire reel as a unit. The best settings will come when the same settings make the blockade runner, Tatooine exteriors, and the droid auction all look right.

So does that mean revenge of the sith and the rest of the prequels should have a regrade as well to match the original trilogy?

So who seems to have nail the right color for a new hope that doesn’t conflicted other colors in the film like in tantave scene the inside of the ship getting the right colors without messing with the storm troopers color vader’s color and c3po’s and r2 d2’s color etc. this or Neverar?

jedimasterobiwan said:

So who seems to have nail the right color for a new hope that doesn’t conflicted other colors in the film like in tantave scene the inside of the ship getting the right colors without messing with the storm troopers color vader’s color and c3po’s and r2 d2’s color etc. this or Neverar?

As far as I know, it is the goal of no one to produce some sort of color continuity saga. The goal is to get them looking like they’re supposed to, not to make them match. There is no reason to do that. Films are graded and not necessarily in life-like or consistent ways. Colors across different films do not “conflict” with one another. R2 is a different color in different films because R2 is literally a different color.

Honestly, if you want consistent grading the best bet is probably to just grab the 2011 blu-rays which have a very similar terrible blue cast on 4 of the 6 films. No one here has ever expressed interest in such a thing, as far as I know. And if they did, they would never dream of trying to get them to match the prequels.

towne32 said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

So who seems to have nail the right color for a new hope that doesn’t conflicted other colors in the film like in tantave scene the inside of the ship getting the right colors without messing with the storm troopers color vader’s color and c3po’s and r2 d2’s color etc. this or Neverar?

As far as I know, it is the goal of no one to produce some sort of color continuity saga. The goal is to get them looking like they’re supposed to, not to make them match. There is no reason to do that. Films are graded and not necessarily in life-like or consistent ways. Colors across different films do not “conflict” with one another. R2 is a different color in different films because R2 is literally a different color.

Honestly, if you want consistent grading the best bet is probably to just grab the 2011 blu-rays which have a very similar terrible blue cast on 4 of the 6 films. No one here has ever expressed interest in such a thing, as far as I know. And if they did, they would never dream of trying to get them to match the prequels.

Does a new hope really look kinda dark like that if so good job. Just so you know i’m being sincere it’s really hard to tell when someone is or not on here.

I don’t think the idea of a color grading project with the goal of improving consistency across the saga is necessarily terrible. I don’t really see the point of something like that for the OUT, but it would make a certain amount of sense to do up the SE that way. It would be completely wrongheaded for this particular project, but I don’t think it’s a patently ridiculous notion in general.

DrDre said:

Dreamaster said:

NO Dr. Dre… please for the love of God go back to this one!

Damn you critics! 😉 Hahaha, I might have gone a little overboard with the latest one. I will go back to one of the previous grades.

Just keeping you on the right path brother! JSC match looks great BTW. 😃

When considering the colors of the reconstructed Tantive IV set in RotS, even if everyone involved in it was sincere in faithfully recreating it, it, like everything else we see in the PT that is from the OT, would probably have been done under the instruction and mindset that this is when the ship was fairly new. In-universe, the ship has 20 years worth of grime, build up, abuse, and maintenance compromises between then and how it ends up looking by '77 Star Wars. So, really RotS is no reference other than that with the lighting technology used “20 years earlier”, the walls of the fresh and well maintained ship were intended to appear white to start with.

The Tantive IV in ROTS, like the rest of the film, has a yellow tint and that segment in particular is over contrasted. Also, in the OT, C-3PO is usually covered with some sort of grime that dulls down his finish to prevent the film crew from showing in the reflection. They removed it in post production on ROTS so he is even more gleaming than usual, but even with that major change in appearance, you can tell the shot has major lighting differences than in 77. He also looks more brassy than gold, but that seems to be just that shot, maybe to emulate the distorted version we see on Blu-ray. Some of the PT seems to match that flawed color pallet. But they seem to have used the original colors when creating the sets and costumes.

Also worth noting that (even if it says it’s the Tantive IV in the script, novel, whatever) based on the numerous differences visible between the episode III ship and the one in SW, it’s reasonable to believe it’s a different ship entirely.

Darth Lucas said:

Also worth noting that (even if it says it’s the Tantive IV in the script, novel, whatever) based on the numerous differences visible between the episode III ship and the one in SW, it’s reasonable to believe it’s a different ship entirely.

i think george lucas or someone involved with the movie said it’s the tantive wither it’s same one who knows.

Darth Lucas said:

Also worth noting that (even if it says it’s the Tantive IV in the script, novel, whatever) based on the numerous differences visible between the episode III ship and the one in SW, it’s reasonable to believe it’s a different ship entirely.

i think george lucas or someone involved with the movie said it’s the tantive wither it’s same one who knows.

I remember seeing that too, but I also think I recall that it was retconned at some point.

joefavs said:

I remember seeing that too, but I also think I recall that it was retconned at some point.

didn’t mean to double post sorry. also where did you here that?

jedimasterobiwan said:
didn’t mean to double post sorry. also where did you here that?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sundered_Heart/Legends

[Wookieepedia said:]
The Sundered Heart was first introduced in the 2006 game Star Wars: Empire at War, as a hero unit for the Rebel Alliance. In 2010, Leland Chee confirmed a retcon that Bail Organa’s ship from Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith was indeed the Sundered Heart, and not the Tantive IV, as was previously established.

joefavs said:

jedimasterobiwan said:
didn’t mean to double post sorry. also where did you here that?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sundered_Heart/Legends

[Wookieepedia said:]
The Sundered Heart was first introduced in the 2006 game Star Wars: Empire at War, as a hero unit for the Rebel Alliance. In 2010, Leland Chee confirmed a retcon that Bail Organa’s ship from Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith was indeed the Sundered Heart, and not the Tantive IV, as was previously established.

when was the first time it was revealed to not be the ship from a new hope?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ciz5rFpBIk

[Wookieepedia said:]
In 2010, Leland Chee confirmed a retcon that Bail Organa’s ship from Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith was indeed the Sundered Heart, and not the Tantive IV, as was previously established.

The mostly Tantive mostly comes at night. Mostly.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

And yet they established it has the same Captain Antilles… What, did they do a reverse Star Trek? That is, keep the Captain on the “same” ship, but keep blowing it up and replacing it with a nicer model, though, in Star Wars, that’d be blow it up and replace it with subsequently crappier models.

Also, if they’re going to retcon in different, yet strikingly similar, ships for the same Captain, then people could at least try to not make it obvious it was a retcon between adjoining paragraphs…

"When Bail returned to Alderaan aboard the Sundered Heart, it was in the company of the droids R2-D2 and C-3PO, as well as Bail’s newly-adopted child, Leia. To preserve the secret of the girl’s true parentage, Bail ordered Antilles to have C-3PO’s memory wiped, though R2-D2 managed to avoid this fate.

Over the next nineteen years, Raymus Antilles continued to command the Tantive IV, but was separated from C-3PO and R2-D2 until almost immediately before 0 BBY. " – http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Raymus_Antilles/Legends