Pro/Anti Sports Discussion — Page 3

well, if you had moved to the Philly area, you would have encountered a similar zeal for an NFL team(the Eagles).   At least until they signed Michael Vick.

Who would move to the "Philly" area?!?!?! Sheesh!!!

Its a good thing for you that you're a cop.  

*slugs Ripplin*

Ripplin said:

...the excellent Yahoo fantasy game has made me take an interest again, mostly because I actually know the rosters again.

Hey, another potential recruit for our OT.com fantasy baseball league.  And you already play Yahoo, which is where I play.  Great!

Warbler said:

Vaderisnothayden, you correct.  This is not a sports thread.  But the thread this discussion originally started in, was a sports thread.   It was started in the "I've said it before and I'll say it again: College Football Needs a playoff system" thread.   Please read it to see how the discussion began.    

The other thread isn't relevant. This is a new thread, thus a new discussion.

The stuff Frink said in response to your post, didn't seem that bad to me.  He even said he has no problem with people who dislike sports.

 

The fact that he felt the need to say that implied a certain tension. It's not a neutral or even conciliatory statement. It's "I don't mind people not liking sports so you shouldn't mind people liking sports." Which didn't need to be said. And in the context, saying he didn't mind people not liking sports almost implies the opposite to what it sounds like it's saying. People often say the direct opposite of what they feel in conversation.

He felt the need to defend liking sports, as if my post was an attack on liking sports. And I didn't appreciate my post being interpreted that way. I thus expressed exasperation at the tendency people have to get defensive just because you say you don't like something.

You did ask "who cares?"   That was worth responding too.  

 

No, I did not ask who cares. Look at my original post. There's no question mark at the end. I was not asking a question. The who cares was a rhetorical statement that was an expression of the fact that I didn't care. Look carefully at my original post. The whole post leading up to that is solely about my attitude towards sports, about how I feel. The who cares was the end of a statement on how I didn't care. The actual phrase was "but as it is, it's just like who cares", as in that's how I felt about it. There was no question in that. I was not asking who cared, nor was I saying nobody cared, nor was I saying nobody should care or that people were wrong to care.

Giving what this thread is about, I don't see what is so wrong with someone trying to say why he likes sports and why its ok to watch them.

But that's not what he did. What he did was get defensive and start trying to justify and basically imply that my post had said something it hadn't. The whole "I don't mind people not liking sports and you shouldn't mind people liking sports" that was implied in his statement was drawing boundary lines and adjucating tension, which was totally unnecessary. I didn't appreciate his unnecessarily defensive reaction.

I reread you post and can see that you certainly did not say it wasn't ok to watch sports.   Maybe what Frink said wasn't meant just for you was just to the anti-sports people in general.  In any case, its not worth any of us getting upset at each other.   So lets all calm down. 

I'm calm, but I'm not so sure Tv's Funk is. He seems to have a certain hostility towards me. While this discussion was going on here he was giving me a whole lot of very much personal trouble on another thread. Which was an aggravating factor in my reaction to his defensiveness here. Btw, I appreciate your conciliatory tone.

Vaderisnothayden said:

The other thread isn't relevant. This is a new thread, thus a new discussion.

I have to disagree here.    The discussion here originated in the other thread I  mentioned.   The first post in this threat is a quote from a post I made in that other thread.  It is clearly a continuation of that conversation.  Gaffer created this thread in order to move this conversation out of the the other thread because it was off topic there.  

Vaderisnothayden said:

The fact that he felt the need to say that implied a certain tension. It's not a neutral or even conciliatory statement. It's "I don't mind people not liking sports so you shouldn't mind people liking sports." Which didn't need to be said. And in the context, saying he didn't mind people not liking sports almost implies the opposite to what it sounds like it's saying. People often say the direct opposite of what they feel in conversation.

He felt the need to defend liking sports, as if my post was an attack on liking sports. And I didn't appreciate my post being interpreted that way. I thus expressed exasperation at the tendency people have to get defensive just because you say you don't like something.

I just reread Frinks post and didn't get any implication that Frink meant the opposite of "I don't mind people not liking sports so you shouldn't mind people liking sports."  I think you reading into stuff that isn't there.  

Vaderisnothayden said:

He felt the need to defend liking sports, as if my post was an attack on liking sports. And I didn't appreciate my post being interpreted that way. I thus expressed exasperation at the tendency people have to get defensive just because you say you don't like something.

maybe he did get defensive and maybe you overreacted just a little.  

Vaderisnothayden said:

You did ask "who cares?"   That was worth responding too.  

 

No, I did not ask who cares. Look at my original post. There's no question mark at the end. I was not asking a question. The who cares was a rhetorical statement that was an expression of the fact that I didn't care. Look carefully at my original post. The whole post leading up to that is solely about my attitude towards sports, about how I feel. The who cares was the end of a statement on how I didn't care. The actual phrase was "but as it is, it's just like who cares", as in that's how I felt about it. There was no question in that. I was not asking who cared, nor was I saying nobody cared, nor was I saying nobody should care or that people were wrong to care.

I reread you post and you are correct and you did not put in the question mark.   I guess he implied that it was a question.  I did the same thing.  It did seem to me like you were saying nobody cares.   When I reread your original post after reading what you've said here,  I can see that we(Frink and I) did not understand what meant to say.   However I do believe it was an understandable misinterpretation.  The "who cares." could easily be misinterpreted as asking "who cares?", imho.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Giving what this thread is about, I don't see what is so wrong with someone trying to say why he likes sports and why its ok to watch them.

But that's not what he did. What he did was get defensive and start trying to justify and basically imply that my post had said something it hadn't.

again, I just think it was an honest misunderstanding of your original post.

Vaderisnothayden said:

The whole "I don't mind people not liking sports and you shouldn't mind people liking sports" that was implied in his statement was drawing boundary lines and adjucating tension, which was totally unnecessary. I didn't appreciate his unnecessarily defensive reaction.

perhaps you misunderstood his post just like we misunderstood yours?  Again, I just think you're overreacting a bit. 

Vaderisnothayden said:

I reread you post and can see that you certainly did not say it wasn't ok to watch sports.   Maybe what Frink said wasn't meant just for you was just to the anti-sports people in general.  In any case, its not worth any of us getting upset at each other.   So lets all calm down. 

I'm calm, but I'm not so sure Tv's Funk is. He seems to have a certain hostility towards me. While this discussion was going on here he was giving me a whole lot of very much personal trouble on another thread. Which was an aggravating factor in my reaction to his defensiveness here. Btw, I appreciate your conciliatory tone.

I really don't want get into what has gone on between the two of you in other threads.    Perhaps you two could talk over your differences via PMs?  Just be careful to communicate clearly, and be calm and patient with each other and open minded. 

Alright!! A "Warbler vs. VINH" match!!! This has got to be good!!!

Lets not make this a fight, I really don't want to fight with VINH. 

Warbler said:

Lets not make this a fight, I really don't want to fight with VINH. 

Okay, but perhaps a competition!! COMPETE!!

Vaderisnothayden said:

I'm calm, but I'm not so sure Tv's Funk is.

Ah, ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. 

Wooo....that was a good laugh.

Alright, I reread the thread, specifically the posts that VINH, Warb, and I have made.  And I am going to make a half-assed semi-apology.

VINH, I apologize for reading your "who cares" as "who cares?"  I read your original post again and I realized I was reacting not to what you said, but rather how you have posted in the past on other topics.  I blindly assumed that you not only disliked sports, but felt that anyone who likes sports is "wrong."

However, I refuse to be too hard on myself.  I've had the feeling that you have a unfortunate need to both state your opinions as fact and prove everyone wrong if they disagree with you.  I did a forum search for "vaderisnothayden" and read through some older threads, and nothing I found changed my opinion.

If your exact post had been written by one of the more level-headed forum members (i.e. most everyone else), I would not have interpreted it the way I did because you wrote it.  For that, I apologize.

Incidentally, I also did forum searches for "TV's Frink" and "Ric Olie" and discovered that he and I seem to share a similar level of awesomeness.

TV's Frink said:

Incidentally, I also did forum searches for "TV's Frink" and "Ric Olie" and discovered that he and I seem to share a similar level of awesomeness.

Rock on, brother.

Don't be a Total Biscuit.

In an attempt to no longer hijack Warbler's thread about NFL kickoffs (was that right?), I thought I'd give this sucker a bump.

So BUMP.

I love sports.  I loved watching when Wayne Gretsky threw the ol' pigskin in the basket, thus making an eagle and going on to break the 30-love tie to win the World Series for Penn State.  When was that?  Back in '59 I think.  Man, those were the days!  I love sports!

I loved doing solitary exercise but I hated competitive sports.

I hated sport on television when I was a kid because my dad would pitch his flag into the telly and I'd never get to see cartoons when footy, cricket etc were on (I hate soaps for much the same reason but with my mum).The drone of the crowd though tinny speakers while I was trying to read drove me crazy.

My dad would take me to matches. I liked the travel, I even found dodging bricks thrown by the hooligan set exciting but I hated the games.

I had to try and balance on two beer crates while covering my ears for the duration (loud noises are a seizure trigger but I was undiagnosed back then).

As a summer child school sports were a lesson in humiliation.

You had kids almost a year older than you (back when that meant something) rejecting you because you were titchy.

It created this ridiculously distorted self image of someone physically stunted by intellectually overdeveloped.

Boy did I get an interesting reversal by the time puberty had finished with me.

I was just as average as everyone else but I still hated them evil sports.

Sport related video games seem to me to be the most pointless creation in the universe.

It's the primitive tribalism of it I resent the most.

The sectarianism, the colours, the chants, the nationalism in miniature.

I liked watching rugby but that was more out of anatomical curiosity than anything else.