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It is obvious to me what has happened. At first, they were NOT clones. Altought there is not so much evidence of this on the films, this gets quite clear on the expanded universe. Then, when GL decided to go ahead and film the PT, he thought to himself "ok, I gotta make something up about the whole clone wars thing", and he decided it would be a good thing to make the stormtroopers clones. He watched the three movies, and noticed that there was no sign indicating the opposit, besides the different voices. He didn't bother to read any expanded universe material to verify this, even the ones he personally approved. He then gathered his team on Skywalker Ranch and anounced that the stormtroopers would be the clones on the Clone Wars, and everyone thought it was a good idea, because it was GL's idea.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
It is obvious to me what has happened. At first, they were NOT clones. Altought there is not so much evidence of this on the films, this gets quite clear on the expanded universe. Then, when GL decided to go ahead and film the PT, he thought to himself "ok, I gotta make something up about the whole clone wars thing", and he decided it would be a good thing to make the stormtroopers clones. He watched the three movies, and noticed that there was no sign indicating the opposit, besides the different voices. He didn't bother to read any expanded universe material to verify this, even the ones he personally approved. He then gathered his team on Skywalker Ranch and anounced that the stormtroopers would be the clones on the Clone Wars, and everyone thought it was a good idea, because it was GL's idea.


Pretty much
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what an idiot Lucas is...
again proof that he must mess around with the OT to fit the PT...
sigh
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Originally posted by: Mr.Coffee
Not the "Lost Cut", which DOES NOT exist!


UMMM...ok
well this may interest you.

lost cut existing...

The best look at the Lost Cut of Star Wars so far, without being able to actually see the footage itself, comes from the aforementioned Dr. David West Reynolds, archaeologist and Star Wars fanatic; a lethal combination that contains aspects of two of Lucasfilm's best known film series. The reason Reynolds knows so much about this subject is that he's actually seen this elusive Lost Cut, having been allowed to extricate it from the depths of the Lucasfilm archives, much like the remains of an Egyptian mummy. After a little maintenance and dusting off, the reels of film were once again exposed to light and projected on a wall for careful analysis and research.

UMMM...

percolate on that coffee
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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It is his story. He can refine it as he sees fit. I do it all the time with mine.

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If it was originally supposed to be a trilogy...then why not? Where is the foreshadowing? Where is the Episode IV in 1977? The moive stands on its own... well. I love the the OT don't get me wrong, but it was made a trilogy because the money was there, not because the money allowed him to make his original evidence. He may say that, but most of what he says is lies. Just like now if those movies of the OT were his original vision than why is it getting changed to meet the PT? It keeps changing. Its money, power, and self-importance. Period.
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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Originally posted by: Obi-wontonif those movies of the OT were his original vision than why is it getting changed to meet the PT? It keeps changing. Its money, power, and self-importance. Period.


You forgot laziness and poor film making.
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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

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Read what I wrote. He can add whatever to his story that he wants to. There are enough bootleg DVDs of the OV that it won't be lost, an if all else fails you could try a VHS. Mine still work fine after seven years.

Besides. It never says in the OT that the Stortroopers aren't clones. It never said the Threepio wasn't built by Anakin Skywalker. So what if it is silly. It makes for some good irony watching the OT again, and makes Leia's comment about Luke's hieght make more sense.

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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
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Originally posted by: Mr.Coffee
Not the "Lost Cut", which DOES NOT exist!


UMMM...ok
well this may interest you.

lost cut existing...

The best look at the Lost Cut of Star Wars so far, without being able to actually see the footage itself, comes from the aforementioned Dr. David West Reynolds, archaeologist and Star Wars fanatic; a lethal combination that contains aspects of two of Lucasfilm's best known film series. The reason Reynolds knows so much about this subject is that he's actually seen this elusive Lost Cut, having been allowed to extricate it from the depths of the Lucasfilm archives, much like the remains of an Egyptian mummy. After a little maintenance and dusting off, the reels of film were once again exposed to light and projected on a wall for careful analysis and research.

UMMM...

percolate on that coffee


I think it's only a matter of time before the famous B&W Lost Cut gets into the internet. Too bad the "2001" Lost Cut didn't surface like the Star Wars did, with its original theatrical relase trims (with more dawn of men scenes, astronauts playing piano and playing games, children on the moon base, Dave holding a blue food and slippers while in his "hotel" room)...
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If you accually read the article, it is just a ruff cut of the film. Before being edited, like every film. Only Lucas kept the footage as he did everything. There is no big mystery as to what's on it. When I said it doesn't exist, I meant it is not circulating from pirated copies of it being in the theatre way back when. It is simply a pre-edit. I could easily edit the scenes back in if I wanted to. And it was never lost. I have copies of every 'lost cut' scenes mentioned. If it is lost, how come I have it?
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
"when Jango knocked his head its a refference to the fact that one of his clones knok there head in A New Hope. This is absolute proff that at least some of the original trilogy stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett."

Absolute proof???? it's only Absolute proof that one of the 'extras' hit his head on a piece of scenery in ANH, I bet it wasn't in the script to show that he was meant to be a clone. it's crazy, even bloopers are explained away as part of Georges original vision.


:lol: Yeah, George just can't admit mistakes. One of my favorites is when Han Solo says he made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs (a measurement of distance, NOT time). Yet, the official website explains it like this:

While Captain Solo is known to make boastful claims that seem to defy the basic laws of space-time physics, in this particular case, an understanding of the mechanics of the Kessel Run illuminates this statistic.

The Kessel Run is a contest of speed and endurance for smugglers. Those who undertake it must deliver specified cargos (usually illicit in nature) to a series of divergently moving transport vessels. The smuggler must deliver the cargo before the transports wander out of the free trade lanes into restricted Imperial space.

Solo's record is impressive, since the transport vessels covered less than 12 parsecs of distance during his hurried run between them, a testament to his piloting and the speed of the Millennium Falcon.

There is more than one way to smuggle spice out of Kessel. According to one tale, Solo left out the middleman and ferried the stolen goods himself, skirting dangerously close to the Maw Cluster, a baffling congregation of black holes. In doing so, he shortened the distance for the run, achieving an impressive record of under 12 parsecs.

Using either methodology allows Solo's claim to stand, but there are many, including the Jedi Obi-Wan Kenobi, who felt that the Corellian captain was just blowing hot air.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

I also have a question regarding this whole "Stormtroopers are/are not clones" debate. In Episode IV, didn't Luke want to leave his uncle's farm to join the Academy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this an Imperial Academy where you train to become a Stormtrooper or Imperial officer? (Not sure why he wanted to join if he "hated" the Empire like he claimed to Obi-Wan, but I guess that's another issue entirely.) So why is there an Academy if you have access to clone factories?


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Ok, here's my take on the whole Stormtrooper/Clone thing. In Lucas' mind, the Stormtroopers are now clones. They weren't in the original film or trilogy. The head bumping was a total blooper that Lucas is now working into the story. It is clearly an attempt by Lucas to alter the OT to better fit the PT.

As for Leia's 'short for a Stormtrooper' line, I had always viewed this as a joke and a put down. Trying to use this as a means to prove that Stormtroopers are clones is (at the very least) reaching or simpy trying to read way too much into something that just isn't there.

That's my two cents.
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Right, I've said this somewhere else.
They cannot change the voices of the Stormtroopers because of one simple reason why?!?

If they did, when Luke and Han were dressed up as Troops, as soon as they spoke, they'd get shot. The only 2 Stormtroopers in the last twenty years to sound different.
So no way can Lucas or anyone else do a thing about the OT Troopers voice. I think it's gonna stay the same!

Oh and also, I remember having a magazine poster thing in the 80's, about ESB time, where it said on the back that Stormtroopers were clones.

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Originally posted by: HotRod
Right, I've said this somewhere else.
They cannot change the voices of the Stormtroopers because of one simple reason why?!?

If they did, when Luke and Han were dressed up as Troops, as soon as they spoke, they'd get shot. The only 2 Stormtroopers in the last twenty years to sound different.
So no way can Lucas or anyone else do a thing about the OT Troopers voice. I think it's gonna stay the same!

Oh and also, I remember having a magazine poster thing in the 80's, about ESB time, where it said on the back that Stormtroopers were clones.


Thats great. Can you post it. That would be proff that they were always meant to be clones.
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It's in my parents house somewhere. Don't know if it was official, but there was another site I went on last year, that posted a scan of the info. It definetly said that Stormtroopers were clones. But they could have just got the info wrong.
I'll have a look for it next time I go round!

Actually some here might have it. It was a poster magazine, and one one side was a poster of Han, Leia, Chewie and 3PO in the falcons cockpit. On the other side was a load of info about the Empire. This months was the Empire month. I think there was a set of 3. Anyway, the older fan here still might have theirs.

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On the back of the card of the 1995 PotF 2 (Red/Orange card) Stormtrooper, it says that Stormtroopers are rumored to be clones, but nobody knows for sure. Thought you guys might find this interesting.
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Wasn't Biggs in the Imperial Navy before he 'jumped ship' and joined up with the Rebellian?
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
Wasn't Biggs in the Imperial Navy before he 'jumped ship' and joined up with the Rebellian?


I believe so. I also believe Han was an officer or something until he rescued Chewie.
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Right, I've said this somewhere else.
They cannot change the voices of the Stormtroopers because of one simple reason why?!?

If they did, when Luke and Han were dressed up as Troops, as soon as they spoke, they'd get shot. The only 2 Stormtroopers in the last twenty years to sound different.
So no way can Lucas or anyone else do a thing about the OT Troopers voice. I think it's gonna stay the same!



If you'll remember, there were several non-stormtroopers in the detention cell. That is, half the people in there were officers. Besides, the EU has clearly established that by the time of ANH there were some non-clone stormtroopers.

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