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Preservation of SE97 Laserdiscs (Info Wanted) (a WIP)

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Hi there,

As some members have asked me after my preservation of TPM laserdiscs, I am currently working on a preservation of the laserdiscs of the Special Edition (1997).
For now, I have planned to preserve and then merge the following versions that I have at home:

  • NTSC US (done: average of 3 captures)
  • PAL UK (ongoing: average of 3 captures)
  • NTSC JP
  • PAL FR (English version or French version)

But I have some questions for LD specialists:

  1. Are there other laserdiscs of the SE97 worthy of interest (with better quality, SuperNTSC, different bonuses, different audio tracks, CC…)? I am thinking for example of the Japanese reeditions in 2000, which I do not own: do they represent a particular interest compared to the first edition?
  2. Is there a dolby EX 6.1 or DTS version on one of the LD versions (I don’t think so)?
  3. For NTSC discs, I will obviously use my Pioneer HLD-X0. But for the UK/FR PAL discs, I hesitate between the CLD-D925 and the LD-V4300D (I feel that the CLD-D925 gives more details, but also more noise - but by mixing several captures, I could reduce this noise). Your opinion?
    NB: I also have a CLD-1050 which shows a very natural image with a lot of sharpness and very little noise, but there is a lot of ghosting IMHO…
    What do you think ?

Thank you in advance for your advice which will allow me to offer the best possible preservation!

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ZigZig said:
2) Is there a dolby EX 6.1 or DTS version on one of the LD versions (I don’t think so)?

The 12-inch LaserDisc releases of the 1997 Star Wars Original Trilogy films where released only in Dolby Digital discrete 5.1 channel bitstreams. There were never separate LaserDisc releases of these films with DTS bitstreams.

Getting off topic: There were separate LaserDisc releases of the first three Die Hard films with DTS bitstreams.

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I really want to see preservations of the Japanese 97SE laserdiscs since I’ve read that those have the best color of the various editions.

edit: this release https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/00008/PILF-2860/Star-Wars-Trilogy:-Special-Edition

redvdit.net http://redvdit.net/best-ways-original-star-wars-trilogy/
Released in November of 2000, in the twilight days of the Laserdisc format, which would be over in a commercial sense by 2001, this is the last issue of the Original Trilogy on the Laserdisc format. The video transfer uses the same exact base that was used to create the 1997 US and Japanese box sets with identical subtitles to the 1997 Japan box, but takes advantage of three years of innovations, such as a lowered brightness level that increases contrast, and a slightly more natural color timing. Skin tones look remarkably better than their 1997 counterparts. The soundtrack presentation is exactly the same, with both Dolby Surround tracks, and discrete Dolby Digital tracks as well.

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But on a serious note I’m very excited to see this! The 2000 re-release does have slightly improved colors, but the article that a_o linked to also says that, “The 2000 box set, although visually striking in terms of packaging and presentation, does not feature a transfer that really sets it miles ahead of the 1997 Japanese box set.” So capping it would probably not to get any more detail, but you would have different colors.

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A big thank you for all your answers !

I was not at all aware that the Japanese edition of November 2000 had benefited from a better quality… I learn every day on this forum!
So I ordered this Japanese edition from November 2000, and I will capture it meticulously.
Anyway, about color accuracy, I think that the TB version is by far the most accurate we can get.

Do you have an opinion on CLD-D925 vs. LD V4300D? I can’t seem to have a clear opinion about this question…

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I have the US, original Japanese, and the 2000 re-releases from Japan.

Once you account for the IRE difference between the US and Japanese releases, they’re not noticeably different. I think there’s just a tendency to prefer the deeper blacks of the Japanese NTSC standard on modern equipment. My opinion of course.

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Thanks Schorman, your opinion is, as always, valuable!
I feel the same about US and original Japanese, but I don’t have (yet) the 2000 re-release. I’ll get it in a couple of days.

About the IRE, the Japanese releases are just perfect on a Japanese player (such as the HLD-X0).
For the US releases, I set the flag “Assume NTSC pedestal” to 1 on my ADV-EVAL7842, it seems to be more accurate than using the D-EXT button of the LD player (I read somewhere that the D-EXT button works in the analog domain, and crushes the blacks). Am I doing right?