Post-saga TV series / sequel movie trilogy?

The expanded universe reboot thread has inspired me to do a write-up on the possibilities of a post-OT Star Wars multi-media project. There were some rumors recently that George Lucas was considering the possibility of producing a third trilogy of Star Wars films, but I am not entirely convinced of how plausible that would be (the actors from the OT are too old now to reprise their roles, most of them would not be interested, and it would be difficult to imagine a trilogy without any of the classic characters to bridge things). However, something that I do think is a very real possibility is that they could opt to do a CG television series set after the events of Return of the Jedi. Clone Wars has proven to be very successful thus far, but obviously it's not going to be on forever, so it's only going to be a few years before Lucasfilm Animation starts planning another project.

Wahtever Lucas decides to approve of for a post-ROTJ media project, I think that it should take a pick-and-choose approach towards the original EU's continuity. There are plenty of things from the post ROTJ EU that many of us do love, like Mara Jade, Thrawn, (pretty much anything created by Timothy Zahn, lol), etc. However, there's also tons of crap that if I can ever flush out of my brain, it won't be soon enough like all the annoying and unnecessary main character deaths, hundreds of new sith popping up, Jedi constantly switching dark/light alignment, the Palpatine's clones, Darh Caedus, all the catostrophic wars within the first 40 years ABY, and more. This new project, being somewhat of a reboot of the expanded universe would be able to take the good stuff and ignore the crap.

If this was a TV series, I'd like to see a loose adaptation of the Thrawn series to a degree, with Grand Admiral Thrawn being the primary antagonist for much of the series, and characters like Mara Jade being members of the regular cast. Luke would be trying to set up a new Jedi order, while Leia and Han would be involved with transitioning the galaxy from the now broken Empire to the New Republic / Galactic Alliance. All of the main heroes would be struggling to fight off the Imperial Remnant, who are led by Thrawn. A pregnancy for Leia would show up during the series, as would the Luke / Mara romance. Popular EU heroes like Kyle Katarn and Dash Rendar could make appearances, as well as the possibility of some prequel veterans like Mace Windu (maybe with Sam Jackson even providing the voicework). Other fan favorites like Boba Fett would obviously be in, too.

There's a lot of potential to be had with a new post-OT project, and I just hope they don't screw it up, whatever medium they opt to do it through, be it TV, video games, or a new set of films. Not only is it an opportunity to bring a post-ROTJ story to the mainstream, but it'd also be a great excuse to do a massive retcon of the EU and sweep away a lot of the garbage and lame stunts that have built up over the past decade. Maybe for a TV series they could even get Mark Hammil to reprise Luke's voice, seeing as he did so for the radio dramas and does a lot of voicework nowadays anyway.

Timstuff said:

Popular EU heroes like Kyle Katarn and Dash Rendar could make appearances, as well as the possibility of some prequel veterans like Mace Windu (maybe with Sam Jackson even providing the voicework). Other fan favorites like Boba Fett would obviously be in, too.

Wait, didn't both Windu and Fett already go out like punks?

Note my avatar-- do you really think getting his hand cut off, being zapped, and falling out a window would be enough to take Mace out for good? If Anakin can free fall through a freeway and land on a car, so can Mace. ;)

Also, Boba Fett is so tough, that the only way to defeat him in ROTJ was by a freak accident involving a blind man. Everyone knows that he blasted his way out of there a few hours later, though. ;)

Timstuff said:

Note my avatar-- do you really think getting his hand cut off, being zapped, and falling out a window would be enough to take Mace out for good? If Anakin can free fall through a freeway and land on a car, so can Mace. ;)

Hey, now we know who Yoda was talking about in ESB as another hope - Mace!

I'm sure that in some alternate timeline, when Luke fails it's up to Uncle Badass to come out of retirement and set things straight.

Mace had one hand, and that's all he needs because he's a bad ass. ;)

My dream show would be a cartoon following the adventures of Luke, Han, and the gang between SW and ESB. Rebels on the run, space pirates, smugglers, new villains, new love interests, crazy adventures, new monsters etc.

Because any sequal has to take the "And they lived happily ever after..." from the end of ROTJ and add a big "BUT!" to it.

If they did, I'd like to see it be based primarily on smaller adventure stories about

a: Cleaning up the now increasingly pleasent galaxy from small time tyrants, crime lords, and misc. baddies. It will take time for the great New Republic to really straighten out the Galaxy.

b: Searching for new Potential Jedi and lost Jedi Knowledge to rebuild the Order. This would be Luke's life's work. The Order shouldn't be totally rebuilt in 10 or 20 years.

He only loses his right hand in the scene.

Timstuff said:

Note my avatar-- do you really think getting his hand cut off, being zapped, and falling out a window would be enough to take Mace out for good? If Anakin can free fall through a freeway and land on a car, so can Mace. ;)

Also, Boba Fett is so tough, that the only way to defeat him in ROTJ was by a freak accident involving a blind man. Everyone knows that he blasted his way out of there a few hours later, though. ;)

Mace Windu was an idiot who would have probably gone to the dark side as a padawan if the Star Wars movies were consistent (proper jedis don't do "badass"). Yeah he died in ROTS. That was Lucas punishing him for wanting to kill a seemingly helpless Palpatine, a big no-no by the jedi code. He's dead, otherwise he would have showed up and helped out in the OOT era (remember Yoda telling Luke he's the last of the jedi?). Good riddance. Purple lightsaber my ass. The whole character was Lucas warping Star Wars to pander to a big star, which should never have happened. Boba Fett is an overrated flunky who got bumped off in ROTJ and stayed that way, eu resurrections being irrelevant. Temuera Morrison is not Boba Fett and his voice being put into ESB was an abomination. Jango Fett is a nonexistent character from a set of films that weren't Star Wars. The only good thing Mace Windu did was off him. Not showing Jango's head drop out of the helmet when kid non-Boba picks it up was chickening out.

If Lucas makes a post-ROTJ show don't depend on him paying much attention to what the eu has established. Don't expect Mara Jade. Lucas has already said Luke doesn't get married. Lucas has said the Star Wars story is ended with Vader's death, so he's unlikely to do a post-ROTJ story, but if he does it'll be his vision, not the eu. Personally I hope he doesn't do any such story, but if he does I hope he ignores the bloody eu.

I think Lucas is quite happy and busy doing stuff set between TPM and ROTJ and that'll keep him busy for a long time. They have a live action tv show (set between the OT and PT) planned for after The Clone Wars show and it was even mentioned that they migtht expand that to five live action shows, all set in the period between the OT and the PT. He's also putting time into making non-franchise films like Red Tails and there's also continuing the Indiana Jones series. Doesn't leave much room for doing a post-ROTJ story, which he has categorically said he wouldn't do.

Take a breath and calm down, dude. See that knob that says "fanboyism?" Try turning it down.

I'm quite calm. Just because I have strong views doesn't mean I'm not calm.

Well then try to remember that not all of us live in your particular version of reality.

Timstuff said:

 See that knob that says "fanboyism?" Try turning it down.

It's fanboyism to not join in the fanboyish worship of Boba Fett and Mace Windu? Funny, that doesn't compute.

Timstuff said:

Well then try to remember that not all of us live in your particular version of reality.

I might say the same to you, with your fantasies about Mace Windu surviving and your ideas that Boba Fett had to survive.

You're much more living in a fanboy fantasy reality than I am. I'm just not buying the shit we're being sold, or the faddish fanboy popular preferences either. Mace Windu, Boba Fett and Jango are all characters worshipped by fanboys and the eu and built up into little gods. I'm a bit more realistic about them.

You claim that the Star Wars prequels do not exist. I'd say that's fanboyism.

Timstuff said:

You claim that the Star Wars prequels do not exist. I'd say that's fanboyism.

No I said they're not Star Wars. I said Jango doesn't exist, meaning he doesn't exist in the real Star Wars universe, that of the original original trilogy, because the prequels don't convince as being in the same universe as the original trilogy. It's not fanboyism when it's the truth.

And btw, you'll find that a lot of people here agree with me about the prequels.

Acceptance of the prequels is a common fanboy mistake. Very much fanboyism. So many fanboys worship Lucas and everything he puts out and fail to use judgement with regard to them when they should be taking a more discerning discriminating view and rejecting the sub-par bullshit dreck.

xhonzi said:

Timstuff said:

Mace had one hand, and that's all he needs because he's a bad ass. ;)

I thought he lost both hands in that scene?  I won't argue with you because I pretend that the movie (and therefore the character) doesn't exist so I'm sure I haven't played the closest of attention.

See, Tim, rejection of the prequels. Xhonzi knows the prequels don't make the grade as Star Wars movies, so he rejects them. That's the discerning way to go. No, it's not fanboyism. It's common sense. The fanboyish route is worshipful acceptance of Lucas's droppings.

It's one thing to say "I ignore them because I only care about the original 3 movies," but it's another thing entirely to dogmatically assert that the prequels are not real Star Wars movies and that the characters in them are not part of the Star Wars canon, even though according to the series creator they are. Now if you're finished venting your fan rage I'd prefer you either get back on topic or quit hijacking my thread.

Timstuff said:

It's one thing to say "I ignore them because I only care about the original 3 movies," but it's another thing entirely to dogmatically assert that the prequels are not real Star Wars movies and that the characters in them are not part of the Star Wars canon, even though according to the series creator they are.

The series creator has totally fucked the franchise and demonstrated that he no longer understands it (see the SE changes for evidence). It doesn't count for shit what he says. Rejecting the prequels from the Star Wars canon is the only reasonable thing to do, based on their nature. Canon is about what's the real thing. The original original trilogy (OOT) is what made the legend. It's clearly the real thing. It's the core of Star Wars canon. And Lucas broke with the OOT when he made the special edition (se) to replace it. And then he continued his break with the canon when he put cartoon characters into his prequel trilogy and turned the character of Anakin into someone clearly very different from what he'd originally been envisioned as. Those are only some of the ways in which the prequels don't fit with the OOT. They have a wildly different mentality and a different sort of imagined reality. They clearly do not fit with the OOT which is the canon. And Lucas made them to fit with the se, the very creation of which was a rejection of the real canon. Like skyjedi has said, Lucas rebooted the canon in 1997. The SE/prequel canon is a different canon from the OOT canon. And if you accept originals as the canon (which is only reasonable) then you have to reject the se and prequels from the canon.

As Gaffer Tape once said on these boards, a lot of people here feel the OOT is the only true Star Wars canon. If you insist on putting down that view as being just "fanboyism", then you may expect some opposition.

Really, by your view we're not allowed to think counter to the official view or we're just being fanboyish. So much for freedom of thought. Personally I favor independent thinking and I recognize that the official people are not infallible and can get things wrong.

Now if you're finished venting your fan rage I'd prefer you either get back on topic or quit hijacking my thread.

Every time you want to put something down you link it to fannishness, don't you? Ironic considering how fannish your own attitudes are.

My posts follow from what you posted. They're a perfectly reasonable reaction. If you don't want me to post my views don't debate with me. As long as you debate with me I will continue to debate with you.

Also, I disagree with the whole viewpoint about threads getting off topic and being hijacked. One of the good things about this place is that posting is often relaxed enough that threads can freely wander "off-topic". If they do it's not "hijacking". It's free open discussion. Threads should be allowed to go wherever they naturally go.

Better put a leash on that dogma, it's barking too much.

Oh, funny puns, you must be so clever. Sorry, we are ALLOWED to have views, dogmas, ideologies, whatever.

Yeah, but I find your zealous insistance on being correct (despite your views being opinion based rather than factual) more than a tad bit annoying, especially since it's off topic.