Possessed Return of the Jedi-* Resurrected!!* — Page 14

Possessed said:Maybe they should all be smoking cigars while they are fighting

Good idea!

Haha.  I just recently finally understood your username (like a dumbass) recently and I love it! Chewtobacca.  LMAO.

Possessed said:

Would anybody be interested in me taking this up again? I feel like it had a unique premise to the other rotj edits starting to surface.  Well maybe not a unique premise, but unique execution perhaps.  Some of my own favorite cuts I've made to it I haven't seen made in other edits of this film.

Good to see you've decided to take this up again Possessed.  The last line in the quote above is good enough reason alone to continue with this, and I look forward to seeing what you've come up with eventually.

I haven't edited in close to a year.  I need a pretty good warm up.  I think before I tackle this I'm going to finish my HD hybrid Empire Strikes Back.  I don't know if I should bother making a topic for it though.  It hardly qualifies as an edit.  (the only creative change is to the lighting under the imperial walker as I already stated).  

Basically, it's an updated version of the theatrical 'cut'.  Except with Ian Mcdarmid as the emperor.  By this I mean, updated visuals are kept but extra scenes have (executor, etc) been removed.   Also, as I said, all lightsaber blades have their white cores restored.  Lightly color corrected.  I actually like the *idea* behind the 2004 coloring, it gives it an artistic feel I think, I just think it went too far.  I might experiment with histograms.

I'll post some screenshots of restored saber blades shortly.

Whoops

This has officially been taken up again, in 1080P.  The source I will be using has yet to be decided, I'm awaiting to hear back for permission, I plan on using the 'semi-specialized' version with most of the theatrical version minus enhanced visuals restored (NOT including the beak in the sarlaac pit). And I plan on using the uncompressed pcm wav dolby stereo audio track from a laserdisc for this for optimum audio quality, but haven't fully decided on whether or not this will really be necessary yet.

Any opinions on whether or not a lossless wav would be worthwhile for the audio track?  And I'm dead set on using 2.0 dolby surround.  Don't worry or let the 2.0 fool you, it WILL be pro logic II surround compatible.  The reason for this is it will make it easier to edit seamlessly (easier to pull up in an audio editor and make flawless transitions) PLUS less data to compress resulting in a higher quality file with smaller size leaving more room for video.

Tack said:

If only Reegar were here...

Good news, though. I'll support this.

 Definitely.  There aren't enough edits of ROTJ. (especially HD ones)  I'm hoping this one will have some similarities to Daneditor's edits because his edits are awesome.

Well I can tell you for sure that no SIGNIFICANT story/plot elements will be removed.  Mostly trimming out annoying stuff and some of the ewoks more ridiculous moments.

Also, salacious crumb will be totally removed.  He'll be in the background of some shots still of course, but NO MORE CLOSE UPS OF HIM AND HIS STUPID LAUGH.  UGHHHGHGHGHGHGH.

Jabba's palace will move alot more quickly, many close ups of aliens will be removed, and I will try to remove as many appearances by the Muppets as I can.  (just kidding... but seriously though they look like muppets and I'm cutting out as much as I can)

NO musical or dance numbers at all.

Considering adding some music from the shadows of the empire soundtrack to the battle against the death star in space.  (if you've played the video game, I'm looking at the song that plays in the very last level when your attacking the skyhook with dash's ship.  The one with the choir).  I like that song and think it would fit really well, add a dark tone to the battle, and add a sort of symmetry to the score (since phantom menace score has choirs in it, and not much of the original trilogy's score does.  The only choirs I can think of in the OT is in the approach to cloud city and you can barely even hear them and the emperor's theme).

Again, any opinions on whether using the lossless pcm soundtrack would be beneficial?  Also any suggestions on how I could get the isolated score that I have to match the sound of the music in the movie in terms of quality and tone?  Don't want the music during cuts to all the sudden sound much more crystal clear than it just sounded you know.

Also, does anybody know if the mix present on the blu rays has higher quality than what the pcm soundtrack from laserdiscs does?  I'm not talking about changes, faithfullness, etc, just audio quality.  I know the pcm track has a higher bitrate, but that doesn't necessarily mean the blu ray track doesn't have higher quality to begin with.

They sound pretty similar to me, but I may be leaning towards the blu ray track.

Well, if anybody cares I've decided to just use the blu ray track. 

What do you think of removing the whole notion of a "strike team" being mentioned in the briefing scene?  I'm thinking also of completely removing han, leia, chewie, and all "familiars" from that scene and have it just be a brief rundown of the plan, showing the aforementioned characters but not having them speak, because everything they say is unbelievably hokey and campy.

Or maybe mentioning the strike team, but not having it directly said that Han is captain and all the "General, count me in" moments.  I'm hoping it will work to just mention that there IS a strike team, and having the audience infer who it is when we see them all together in the imperial ship.  Even if the audience doesn't infer that, it's not really a loss to the story.

Any opinions?  Interest in this edit seems to be fizzling out, but that's probably my fault due to the on again off again nature of me with this project.  For what it's worth things in my life have settled down and I'm nearing completion of my musical project I've been working on (Non SW related) so I will have some of my "creative" time freed up soon.

A general rule of thumb is not to assume a lack of interest because of a lack of posts.

If the inverse were true these boards would be obsessed by politics, religion, chess and animated GIFs.

Possessed said:

Well, if anybody cares I've decided to just use the blu ray track. 

What do you think of removing the whole notion of a "strike team" being mentioned in the briefing scene?  I'm thinking also of completely removing han, leia, chewie, and all "familiars" from that scene and have it just be a brief rundown of the plan, showing the aforementioned characters but not having them speak, because everything they say is unbelievably hokey and campy.

Or maybe mentioning the strike team, but not having it directly said that Han is captain and all the "General, count me in" moments.  I'm hoping it will work to just mention that there IS a strike team, and having the audience infer who it is when we see them all together in the imperial ship.  Even if the audience doesn't infer that, it's not really a loss to the story.

Any opinions?  Interest in this edit seems to be fizzling out, but that's probably my fault due to the on again off again nature of me with this project.  For what it's worth things in my life have settled down and I'm nearing completion of my musical project I've been working on (Non SW related) so I will have some of my "creative" time freed up soon.

 My personal problem with that scene is the fact that Han, a mere smuggler, is a general. As well as Lando. Other than that you can keep the rest in my opinion. I haven't watched that scene in a while though, might be more I dislike.

Akratus said:

Possessed said:

Well, if anybody cares I've decided to just use the blu ray track. 

What do you think of removing the whole notion of a "strike team" being mentioned in the briefing scene?  I'm thinking also of completely removing han, leia, chewie, and all "familiars" from that scene and have it just be a brief rundown of the plan, showing the aforementioned characters but not having them speak, because everything they say is unbelievably hokey and campy.

Or maybe mentioning the strike team, but not having it directly said that Han is captain and all the "General, count me in" moments.  I'm hoping it will work to just mention that there IS a strike team, and having the audience infer who it is when we see them all together in the imperial ship.  Even if the audience doesn't infer that, it's not really a loss to the story.

Any opinions?  Interest in this edit seems to be fizzling out, but that's probably my fault due to the on again off again nature of me with this project.  For what it's worth things in my life have settled down and I'm nearing completion of my musical project I've been working on (Non SW related) so I will have some of my "creative" time freed up soon.

 My personal problem with that scene is the fact that Han, a mere smuggler, is a general. As well as Lando. Other than that you can keep the rest in my opinion. I haven't watched that scene in a while though, might be more I dislike.

 I haven't decided on that 100% yet.  Might do a mock up.

And bingo, thanks for the input, you may be right.  It is to be noted that I wasn't BOTHERED by my (perceived) lack of interest or taking it personally or anything, that's just how it seemed.  And if that is how it is, I'm okay with that, and if it isn't, I'm okay with that too.

Blue milk for everybody.  (I find it hilarious that Mark Hamill himself said that stuff tasted awful)

Possessed said:

Well, if anybody cares I've decided to just use the blu ray track. 

What do you think of removing the whole notion of a "strike team" being mentioned in the briefing scene?  I'm thinking also of completely removing han, leia, chewie, and all "familiars" from that scene and have it just be a brief rundown of the plan, showing the aforementioned characters but not having them speak, because everything they say is unbelievably hokey and campy.

Or maybe mentioning the strike team, but not having it directly said that Han is captain and all the "General, count me in" moments.  I'm hoping it will work to just mention that there IS a strike team, and having the audience infer who it is when we see them all together in the imperial ship.  Even if the audience doesn't infer that, it's not really a loss to the story.

Any opinions?  Interest in this edit seems to be fizzling out, but that's probably my fault due to the on again off again nature of me with this project.  For what it's worth things in my life have settled down and I'm nearing completion of my musical project I've been working on (Non SW related) so I will have some of my "creative" time freed up soon.

Your first option sounds a lot better. The scene should only focus on Mon Mothma, Admiral Ackbar and General Nadine (i mean..Madine). All that hokey and campy dialogue just distracts the audience from the importance of that scene.

Suggestion: if it is possible to arrange the scenes, after we see Ackbar on the upper deck, cut the dialogue between Han & Lando and go straight to Mon Mothma's scene. She calls on Ackbar. After his line "the sheild.....before attack is to be attempted" insert the part where he calls for Madine. After Madine's line "a strike team....deactivate the shield generator" continue with Ackbar's dialogue from "once the shield is down....knock out the main reactor". After the flash that ends the hologram, you could then transition to the docking bay scene. Since Luke mentioned earlier that he'll meet them back at the fleet, it would explain why he is in the shuttle with the other.

Personal thought: I think that making Han and Lando generals was an attempt to show the transformation of these two characters from selfishness to selflessness, from struggling for personal gain to struggling for a greater cause. It is a common feature in various mythologies. I guess it could be one reason why Han was originally intended to die in ROTJ as part of his self sacrifice.

fairuz hidayat said:

Possessed said:

Well, if anybody cares I've decided to just use the blu ray track. 

What do you think of removing the whole notion of a "strike team" being mentioned in the briefing scene?  I'm thinking also of completely removing han, leia, chewie, and all "familiars" from that scene and have it just be a brief rundown of the plan, showing the aforementioned characters but not having them speak, because everything they say is unbelievably hokey and campy.

Or maybe mentioning the strike team, but not having it directly said that Han is captain and all the "General, count me in" moments.  I'm hoping it will work to just mention that there IS a strike team, and having the audience infer who it is when we see them all together in the imperial ship.  Even if the audience doesn't infer that, it's not really a loss to the story.

Any opinions?  Interest in this edit seems to be fizzling out, but that's probably my fault due to the on again off again nature of me with this project.  For what it's worth things in my life have settled down and I'm nearing completion of my musical project I've been working on (Non SW related) so I will have some of my "creative" time freed up soon.

Your first option sounds a lot better. The scene should only focus on Mon Mothma, Admiral Ackbar and General Nadine (i mean..Madine). All that hokey and campy dialogue just distracts the audience from the importance of that scene.

Suggestion: if it is possible to arrange the scenes, after we see Ackbar on the upper deck, cut the dialogue between Han & Lando and go straight to Mon Mothma's scene. She calls on Ackbar. After his line "the sheild.....before attack is to be attempted" insert the part where he calls for Madine. After Madine's line "a strike team....deactivate the shield generator" continue with Ackbar's dialogue from "once the shield is down....knock out the main reactor". After the flash that ends the hologram, you could then transition to the docking bay scene. Since Luke mentioned earlier that he'll meet them back at the fleet, it would explain why he is in the shuttle with the other.

Personal thought: I think that making Han and Lando generals was an attempt to show the transformation of these two characters from selfishness to selflessness, from struggling for personal gain to struggling for a greater cause. It is a common feature in various mythologies. I guess it could be one reason why Han was originally intended to die in ROTJ as part of his self sacrifice.

 That is an interesting idea indeed, not sure how it would pan out in motion, but I might try to make a mock up of that.  I appreciate your input.

I just uploaded a VERY, VERY, VERY rough mock up of how the rebel briefing scene could go to vimeo.  Said it should convert in 45 minutes or so.

I threw this together really fast and is meant to show the concept rather than the edit.  The cuts are rough, and some things need timed differently, and some things need more time in between them due to the editing, but fear not I will address these issues later.  I'll post a link when it converts.

Sorry for the triple post, but here's the mock up:

https://vimeo.com/89937415

Keep in mind that it is very rough, meant to show only how the ideas work.  The edits are rough, the timing of the edits are rough, and obviously I need to work out another solution for how to actually end the scene.  (Opinions?)

(Perhaps after Ackbar announces that lando is leading I should find a way to fill in a few seconds so that it registers with our viewers that the briefing is over, and THEN insert the dialogue where han says "well, look at you, a general huh?".  I'd have to do some tweaking to the video there, because it would look very odd to have han sit down, stand up, then sit back down again.)

Also, GOUT video is used only because I was in a hurry to do this very quickly and that was the video file I found first.  When I go to edit the actual film Blu ray video will be used.  (I'm still planning all my sources out)

I'm currently waiting to hear back from KK650 about using his semi-specialized versions of ROTJ for this edit.  I tried tehparadox to contact him as I've heard he no longer logs in here.

Any opinions at all on the test clip?  I know the editing is rough but that will be amended later.

Hi.

Nice edit, more or less what I had in mind. The scene looks and flows a lot better without all the campy dialogue. Of course there is the problem of the disappearing/re-appearing hologram of Endor when switching between Ackbar, Madine and back to Ackbar. Any ideas on how to fix it?

Nope no idea... that's way beyond my expertise.  Unless perhaps I just had him talking off screen and showed shots of the hologram when he talks the second time.  Not sure how that would work though.

I hadn't noticed it and I wished you hadn't either.  :P

Possessed said:

Sorry for the triple post, but here's the mock up:

https://vimeo.com/89937415

Keep in mind that it is very rough, meant to show only how the ideas work.  The edits are rough, the timing of the edits are rough, and obviously I need to work out another solution for how to actually end the scene.  (Opinions?)

(Perhaps after Ackbar announces that lando is leading I should find a way to fill in a few seconds so that it registers with our viewers that the briefing is over, and THEN insert the dialogue where han says "well, look at you, a general huh?".  I'd have to do some tweaking to the video there, because it would look very odd to have han sit down, stand up, then sit back down again.)

Also, GOUT video is used only because I was in a hurry to do this very quickly and that was the video file I found first.  When I go to edit the actual film Blu ray video will be used.  (I'm still planning all my sources out)

" Many Bothans Died to bring us this information" Scratch the Bothans Many died sounds better. If there is a paused kept in the space of Bothans it would also sound like she was talking about people she cared for with a hesitation before "Died"

Where does the central Hologram go in the middle of the scene? Oh I see that is where you re-cut it.

hmmm you will have to create a hologram then :) Perhaps a hologram of the Shuttle?

I don't have the technical knowledge to create a hologram unfortunately.

It needn't be a real hologram. ;-)