Possessed Return of the Jedi-* Resurrected!!* — Page 7

Bingowings said:  In ANH he was all "That's not my idea of courage", "This plan isn't going to work" etc but come ESB he was "Never tell me the odds" so it seems a bit odd for Han to tell Luke that he is going to die on the planet he grew up on.

I always took "Never tell me the odds" as meaning "Don't tell me because it might put me off" --- a bit like when people say "Don't look down" to those with vertigo -- rather than as bravado.  Perhaps I interpreted it other than it was meant.  The line about Luke's dying where he grew up just struck me dry humor, but I can see why someone might not like the line.

 

Harrison isn't just given lousy lines in ROTJ but he really doesn't seem to care any more (a bit like George).

I think he cared, but had become disillusioned with the way the Star Wars saga was going.  I remember behind the scenes footage from Returning to Jedi that shows the actors discussing the line "Tell them" when the Ewoks are about to burn the heroes, and Ford is contributing ideas.  I think Ford likes to take an active part in films and finds it hard to engage when his ideas are not used. 

There is a deleted scene for Balderunner when Ford's voiceover sounds perfect.  The rest of the time he sounds bored.  I don't think he was trying to sabotage the voiceover: he just doesn't do well when his heart isn't in it.

I always read the "Never tell me the odds" line as a reference to his history as a gambler.

If you tell Han not to do something because the odds are against him it will just make him more determined to do it and he is warning Threepio that rather than directing him to make safe decisions he is just egging him on to take greater risks with him on the back seat.

Just look at ANH.

Han had assessed the Death Star situation and decided for himself that the odds of success were low but Luke's words prompted him to partly out of conscience but undeniably with a degree of bravado to take a last minute gamble.

Ah!  I see what you mean:  I just never thought of it that way.  :-)

As regard to cues and shots, the establishing shots already in Jedi work just fine.  I mean if they worked going from the DS to Degobah once, why would they not work when used from going to the DS to Degobah again?  I mean it's the same thing just from a different spot.  And having that big fanfare from vader talking to the officer fade out into the ambience of the swamp sound effects work just fine I think.  Also not showing Luke arriving and having his ship already there implies he has been there a while, thus making his sudden growth in skills in Jedi more believable.  Trust me, you guys are way overthinking things. 

Contextually in it's current placing Yoda's death scene feels like it happens almost as soon as Luke lands.

It feels like he has just parked the car, gone over to Yoda's place started talking to Yoda, noticed he has a bit of a cough, helps tuck Yoda into bed, Yoda says he will soon die, he starts to die and Luke squeezes the truth out of him with his dying breath.

It has all the build up of Morticia Addams pregnancy in Addams Family Values.

If it's moved to nearer the front Luke could have been there for about a year training and polishing his skills.

Luke has noticed he isn't well but hasn't said anything.

Yoda knows he is dying and starts to say goodbye.

Luke manages to get an answer to that nagging question he has been deferentially dancing around since he came back.

It just makes more sense.

It's not over thinking, it's just thinking.

It might make for a cool fraction of a second not knowing for sure who the dark hooded figure is coming into the palace but the effect of keeping the current order is to cheapen Yoda as a disposable character, who can pass on all a young man needs to be a Jedi in a really quick crash course before getting out of the way.

Bingowings said:

If it's moved to nearer the front Luke could have been there for about a year training and polishing his skills.

yeah I know that's what I was just saying.  I was arguing against whoever said different establishing shot should be used, I was saying that having those shots with his x-wing in clear view work just fine.

I'm currently upload a roughly 36 second preview mainly just showing how the transition wipe from the opening scene to degobah could work.  The only reason it's that long was so I could casually show off another edit I made that I'm quite happy with :)

He has to park the thing somewhere, at least it's not in a lake :-D

Ha exactly.  I'm growing more fond of the idea of moving degaboh to this point all the time.

And as for the problem of the rebel briefing, I was thinking of just cutting most of the "reuniting" stuff from it anyway, and just keep han and lando's first exchange (minus landos cheesy smile of course) and after that just focusing on the actual information in the scene, luke will probably not be in the scene at all.  We can just assume he's doing something important.   I don't remember if hes in any background shots in the scene or not, but if he is I might just move those ahead to the beginning of the scene and let it be assumed he was there the whole time, but just isn't featured in the scene.

Here ya go.  Enjoy.

http://rapidshare.com/files/438022132/Transition_test2.mpg

That works remarkably well, you seem to have removed Moff Panic's slow motion leg too.

The rumble of thunder adds a bit of contextual foreboding that is absent with the jaunty tone of the droids arrival at the Palace.

Bingowings said:

That works remarkably well,

Thank you very much

you seem to have removed Moff Panic's slow motion leg too.

...What? I guess not as I have no idea what your talking anout unless I did it by accident...

In the official version, just before the wipe to Threepio and and Artoo the footage is slowed down to fit in with the music cue it's most noticeable if you look at Moff Jejerrod's legs.

You have accidentally fixed it by wiping a little earlier.

Congratulations!

I'm finally getting time to DL this and should review it tonight!

*rubs hands together excitedly*

In a fancy pants take of the Dagobah opening idea some clever clogs could insert a hooded Luke looking up at the distant lightning and then going inside Yoda's hut.

That way for a tiny second you might think it was the Emperor or someone else up to no good.

Oh it's Luke, hi Luke (waves at Luke).

Sluggo said:

I'm finally getting time to DL this and should review it tonight!

*rubs hands together excitedly*

If you're talking about reviewing the draft, well feel free but you should know I completely scrapped that and started over so many things won't be relevant.

MTHaslett said:

This test doesn't get to the first shot of Luke yet. That's the beat that will really count. When you see Luke for the first time, does it feel exciting enough without the build up and pay-off that seeing Luke for the first time had in ESB or the original ROTJ?  

 Not really, but then again it's not terribly exciting scene anyway.  I am proud rto say that the feeling you get seeing luke at jabba's ppalace is almost still the same.  I mean blacks a pretty generic color, so even though you *suspect* it's luke approaching in a black robe its still just a hooded figure in a cloak so it still has some mystery to it.

Ok, I've prepared my notes and am ready to begin..

 

Possessed said:

Sluggo said:

I'm finally getting time to DL this and should review it tonight!

*rubs hands together excitedly*

 

If you're talking about reviewing the draft, well feel free but you should know I completely scrapped that and started over so many things won't be relevant.

D'oh!

Concept-wise, it think it worked great without the transitions that folkes had mentioned earlier.  But we already know that.  And it is scrapped all the same.

*backs out of the room slowly*

Sluggo said:

Concept-wise, it think it worked great without the transitions that folkes had mentioned earlier.

Gene Folkes said:

I have no memory of this.

I'd be interested to see how that pans out but my instincts would point to putting the second Death Star scene right after Han and Co leaving Tatooine.

Jabba is the is is just the starter and the Emperor is the main course.

If you mix the two up the whole thing becomes tapas.

The Emperor arriving is mentioned in the briefing so the two scenes are linked.

Bingowings said:

I'd be interested to see how that pans out but my instincts would point to putting the second Death Star scene right after Han and Co leaving Tatooine.

Jabba is the is is just the starter and the Emperor is the main course.

If you mix the two up the whole thing becomes tapas.

The Emperor arriving is mentioned in the briefing so the two scenes are linked.

Yeah it's not a bad idea but I don't think it would work.  That would mean having the opening scene be vader on DS and then yoda and then another scene again with vader.  And with the emperors appearance we need more build up.

I was thinking of splitting the scene up in two tho, and have a break from jabba's palace.  (Meaning having yodas death and lukes talk with ben 2 separate scenes) Like I what if, after say Chewie is taken away by the guards there is a transition wipe back to degobah and have lukes conversation with ben?  Then having it cut back to han's attempted rescue at night.  I like the idea of having something to split between (it's one of the few times in all the star wars saga, the only one I can think of at the moment, where so much time is spent in one place in the galaxy at once).  What I don't like about it is it makes it seem like luke is waiting around on degobah instead of hurrying to help his friend.