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moviefreakedmind said:

and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

What about an IQ test requirement to allow people to vote? I don’t think that’s the worst idea either.

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In an ideal world, once Trump is out of office, we’d be able to remove all of his appointees.

Democrats can allow themselves to indulge in fantasies of impeaching justices (and even Trump himself) or they can ruminate over how things got to this place and, as you suggested, change their approach to get themselves back in the majority.

I’m not a Democrat. I just think that the only way to reverse the assaults on American freedom that Trump and his cronies have brought on us is to remove them from office. Things got to this place because Trump was savvy enough to appeal directly to the proud ignorance and stupidity that the Republican base likes while Hillary was too stupid and corrupt to appeal to what American voters actually wanted. To prevent this shit from happening again we need to abolish the Electoral College and outlaw corporate donations to political candidates and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

So we’re back to attributing Trump’s victory to ignorant, stupid Republicans. I could’ve sworn you’d said previously that wasn’t how Trump won and you didn’t label Republicans broadly. I didn’t believe you then, but at least your bias is back on full display now and you’re not pretending anymore.

Ignorant, stupid Republicans are part of it. He definitely mobilized them. It’s not the only reason why he won, but it’s a big part. And of course I’m biased. I’ve never pretended not to be biased. I hate the rightwing and wish it didn’t even exist. I’ve called Hillary supporters worse than Trump supporters. I’ve advocated for the removal of every corporate representative from office. I’ve even admitted to being in favor of some acts of political violence. When have I ever pretended to not be biased? That’s what you do.

I don’t pretend; I do my best not to be biased, but I acknowledge we all have biases. I try to consider mine when weighing issues, while you’re clearly ruled by yours.

Since you’re so obviously biased and admit as much, any judgment you’d place against another person about their beliefs would be suspect. Since you see everything through a far-left lens, I naturally appear far-right. I’m not.

I don’t have a strong opinion about the Electoral College. I do believe it has a purpose, but is open to abuse. However, I think addressing gerrymandering will solve those problems and is actually within the realm of possibility, whereas abolishing the EC is unlikely. I do agree that campaign finance reform is a massive issue and corporate donations should be banned.

It’s only unlikely because it gives Republicans an opportunity to win the Presidency without coming close to being selected by a plurality of the voters.

It’s unlikely in the same way all constitutional amendments are unlikely. They’re tough to pass and unless the issues they address are persistent, they fade from memory. It takes a long time to pass an amendment. As soon as the next Democrat president is elected, nobody will be saying anything about the EC (unless it’s a really bizarre election where the Dems win by EC but not popular, in which case hypocritical Republicans will be screeching about how the EC has to go).

EDIT: Do you think Trump should be impeached for his blatant obstruction of justice? He admitted that he fired James Comey simply because he was investigating him. I know you’re very sympathetic to the far-right, so I’m guessing not, especially given how you ignore the legitimate reasons why Trump should be impeached.

Again with the far-right nonsense. You know nothing, as you prove time and time again with your broken-record hot takes.

I actually do know a lot of things. I’m pretty well-informed. I’m not any more intelligent than most people, but I’m very well-read and I generally have at the very least a layman’s understanding of what I’m talking about. So, once again you’re wrong.

I meant you know nothing in regards to my thought patterns. You’ve lumped me in with the far-right and believe my sympathies always lie there, despite the fact that anyone reviewing my posts over the last year would find someone who falls right on some issues and left on others.

Anyone reading your posts would find your opinion always falls incontrovertibly to the left and there isn’t a hint of balanced thought to be found.

I’ll let Mueller make the case for Trump’s impeachment when he shares his findings since I’m neither a constitutional scholar nor an attorney/prosecutor. I’m glad you’re confident in your armchair legalese and that it brings you peace of mind. Part of me wishes I still subscribed to a hopelessly binary mode of thinking so that I could once again be certain about everything.

Why do you even talk about things then? Presumably you’re not an expert anything you’ve talked about in this thread before but that didn’t stop you from babbling about it. I don’t need to be a prosecutor to see that firing the person investigating you is obstruction of justice. I don’t even have a hopelessly binary mode of thinking, either. I’m just confident in what I believe. That’s not a bad thing when what you believe is grounded in reality. Why would I want to float around being unsure of everything and unwilling to just take a stance on something? That would a pathetic and sad existence.

It’s this simple: even legal scholars don’t agree that Trump committed a crime, so what’s the point in debating it with you? I’m generally avoiding direct debates with you now because your position is always clear and immovable from the outset. There’s no discussion to be had.

I’ve taken strong stances on plenty of issues. Setting aside this one thing isn’t “float[ing] around being unsure”. It’s recognizing a gap in my own knowledge and deciding I’m not informed enough to make a determination.

If I were to rely upon my limited knowledge of the legal situation, the separation between the DOJ and the executive isn’t a law, but a custom, and the AG serves at the pleasure of the President, which would mean Trump firing Comey was legal. But if Mueller’s investigation determines Trump himself was in bed with the Russians, they directly intervened in the election (systems breaches that altered vote tallies), and Trump fired Comey to keep him from digging up the truth, then I’d assume that’s a crime and an impeachable offense. But I don’t know what happened for sure, just like you don’t.

I’m comfortable with “I don’t know” and it doesn’t make me far-right because I won’t condemn Trump with the same uninformed fervor as you.

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moviefreakedmind said:

and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

What about an IQ test requirement to allow people to vote? I don’t think that’s the worst idea either.

Do you think that would affect the outcome of elections? Are low-IQ voters shifting the results? I’m sure there are those who think cutting out less intelligent voters would shift election results to the left, but believing you’re smart when you’re not isn’t exclusive to the right.

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

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Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

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moviefreakedmind said:

and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

What about an IQ test requirement to allow people to vote? I don’t think that’s the worst idea either.

Not being able to vote means not a full citizen. Where exactly do you want to draw the line, and are you sure those who implemented such a thing wouldn’t come up with a different line?

After all, this country has already experimented with intelligence tests for voting – white voters were asked to count how many fingers someone is holding up, and black voters were asked to count the bubbles on a bar of soap, thus limiting voting only to those who can count… and other factors.

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pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

What about an IQ test requirement to allow people to vote? I don’t think that’s the worst idea either.

Do you think that would affect the outcome of elections? Are low-IQ voters shifting the results? I’m sure there are those who think cutting out less intelligent voters would shift election results to the left, but believing you’re smart when you’re not isn’t exclusive to the right.

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

Not sure. I don’t think progressive or democratic voters are more intelligent than conservative voters at all. But it’s hard to deny that President Stable Genius pandered quite a bit to the uneducated contingent of conservative voters.

I don’t know if it would effect election outcomes, but hopefully it would result in voters making more informed decisions. Too many people vote with their hearts and their guts instead of their heads.

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pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

What about an IQ test requirement to allow people to vote? I don’t think that’s the worst idea either.

Not being able to vote means not a full citizen. Where exactly do you want to draw the line, and are you sure those who implemented such a thing wouldn’t come up with a different line?

After all, this country has already experimented with intelligence tests for voting – white voters were asked to count how many fingers someone is holding up, and black voters were asked to count the bubbles on a bar of soap, thus limiting voting only to those who can count… and other factors.

I know it’s impractical and would undoubtedly create a whole bunch of unintended consequences. I just wish more voters were more informed.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

Russian bots post, share, and promote all kinds of content with the purpose of sowing discord. Right or left has nothing to do with it. The goal is maximum damage.

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pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

What about an IQ test requirement to allow people to vote? I don’t think that’s the worst idea either.

Do you think that would affect the outcome of elections? Are low-IQ voters shifting the results? I’m sure there are those who think cutting out less intelligent voters would shift election results to the left, but believing you’re smart when you’re not isn’t exclusive to the right.

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

Not sure. I don’t think progressive or democratic voters are more intelligent than conservative voters at all. But it’s hard to deny that President Stable Genius pandered quite a bit to the uneducated contingent of conservative voters.

A Democrat voter has to believe in all sorts of fears and fantasies in order to buy into what that party is selling them. What makes a vote for Hillary based on patriarchy or rape culture any more rational than a vote for Trump based on Mexican drug dealers and rapists?

I don’t know if it would effect election outcomes, but hopefully it would result in voters making more informed decisions. Too many people vote with their hearts and their guts instead of their heads.

It’s a myth that more intelligent people are more rational. They might make more informed decisions, but ultimately their decision-making is still guided by their emotions and they tend to twist their decisions to match their feelings rather than the other way around.

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Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

Or it said things you can’t reasonably counter because you know them to be true, deep down.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

This was almost an effective way to distract from the fact that you got called out on an erroneous assumption. Keep trying.

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Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

Or it said things you can’t reasonably counter because you know them to be true, deep down.

No, it was mostly just faux centrism that I found unexciting. I’ll reexamine and counter it point by point if you want me to.

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Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

This was almost an effective way to distract from the fact that you got called out on an erroneous assumption. Keep trying.

Uh, no. Not at all. Plus you’re just using my own style of mockery against me which indicates a near total lack of creativity on your part. My assumption wasn’t erroneous. Your post implied an equivalence between Pizzagate and Trump-Nazi connections. The same way you implied an equivalence between Black Lives Matter and white nationalists a few days ago.

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moviefreakedmind said:

and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

What about an IQ test requirement to allow people to vote?

Absolutely not. We have a history there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause#Origin

White Democrats developed statutes and passed new constitutions creating restrictive voter registration rules. Examples included imposition of poll taxes and residency and literacy tests. An exemption to such requirements was made for all persons allowed to vote before the American Civil War, and any of their descendants. The term grandfather clause arose from the fact that the laws tied the then-current generation’s voting rights to those of their grandfathers. According to Black’s Law Dictionary, some Southern states adopted constitutional provisions exempting from the literacy requirements descendants of those who fought in the army or navy of the United States or of the Confederate States during a time of war.

After the U.S. Supreme Court found such provisions unconstitutional in Guinn v. United States (1915), states were forced to stop using the grandfather clauses to provide exemption to literacy tests. Without the grandfather clauses, tens of thousands of poor Southern whites were disenfranchised in the early 20th century. As decades passed, Southern states tended to expand the franchise for poor whites, but most blacks could not vote until after passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.[2] Ratification in 1964 of the Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibited the use of poll taxes in federal elections, but some states continued to use them in state elections.

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Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

Or it said things you can’t reasonably counter because you know them to be true, deep down.

No, it was mostly just faux centrism that I found unexciting. I’ll reexamine and counter it point by point if you want me to.

Why? It’ll just be more contrarian blather.

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Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

This was almost an effective way to distract from the fact that you got called out on an erroneous assumption. Keep trying.

Uh, no. Not at all. Plus you’re just using my own style of mockery against me which indicates a near total lack of creativity on your part. My assumption wasn’t erroneous. Your post implied an equivalence between Pizzagate and Trump-Nazi connections. The same way you implied an equivalence between Black Lives Matter and white nationalists a few days ago.

I didn’t imply parity between Pizzagate and Neo-Nazis. You inferred it—which you do quite often, and usually mistakenly, which is what happens when your emotions dictate your state of mind and you’re intent on finding boogeymen everywhere.

Also, I took back what I said about BLM, which wasn’t equating them to white nationalists, but Antifa, which was a mistake because they’re not equivalent. But feel free to interpret it in whatever way best fits your argument so you can continue to label me as “far-right” or “on the wrong side of history” or whatever other looney lefty slogan strikes you.

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Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him. I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons but I’d be convinced otherwise if some kind of compelling behavior on their part led me to believe the contrary. I’m waiting. I’ve heard from many of them and I’ve to be impressed.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

Or it said things you can’t reasonably counter because you know them to be true, deep down.

No, it was mostly just faux centrism that I found unexciting. I’ll reexamine and counter it point by point if you want me to.

Why? It’ll just be more contrarian blather.

So what’s your problem then? And what, Am I not allowed to disagree with your shit without being a contrarian? How does that make me a contrarian? Plus you seem to the less popular opinion in this forum so how is me going after the less popular opinion contrarian?

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Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

This was almost an effective way to distract from the fact that you got called out on an erroneous assumption. Keep trying.

Uh, no. Not at all. Plus you’re just using my own style of mockery against me which indicates a near total lack of creativity on your part. My assumption wasn’t erroneous. Your post implied an equivalence between Pizzagate and Trump-Nazi connections. The same way you implied an equivalence between Black Lives Matter and white nationalists a few days ago.

I didn’t imply parity between Pizzagate and Neo-Nazis. You inferred it—which you do quite often, and usually mistakenly, which is what happens when your emotions dictate your state of mind and you’re intent on finding boogeymen everywhere.

I inferred it because it was the obvious implication. And you find boogeymen too. Remember when I debunked your claim that Youtube was targeting conservatives with demonitization by offering several leftwing examples of demonitized channels? You just responded with a conspiracy theory that “the left” thought they had deviated too much, or something. How is that not a boogeyman? I just found the obvious implication in your statement that conservatives repost Pizzagate and liberals repost Trump Nazi things. If I say that people will buy into anything, and then provide you with two examples, one being climate change and the other being faith healing, that implies that I’m equating the two or at least placing them on the same plane. Obviously.

Also, I took back what I said about BLM, which wasn’t equating them to white nationalists, but Antifa, which was a mistake because they’re not equivalent. But feel free to interpret it in whatever way best fits your argument so you can continue to label me as “far-right” or “on the wrong side of history” or whatever other looney lefty slogan strikes you.

You equated BLM to Antifa, which you were equating to white nationalists. You did take it back when I pointed out how terrible and inaccurate the equation was. So I guess you deserve a little credit for that.

Far-right isn’t a slogan. It’s a clearly-defined term that is relevant to the discussion. As for history, I don’t think you have any grasp of this country’s history, especially given your confusion on black history over the last sixty years where you couldn’t figure out why blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat and instead offered a revisionist history explanation from a far-right commentator (again, why do we all think you’re far-right?) about how Republicans are actually the lesser of the two evils for Black America.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

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Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.

Keep deflecting.

Try again.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him.

Semantics. You’re playing grammar games for the sake of proving your point, because…

I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons

Thanks for finally admitting it. You’ve dodged it for pages and pages of posts, so it’s nice that you’re being genuine for once.

I mean it’s completely wacko and it’s the logic that contributed to the Democrats losing the last election and quite possibly the upcoming election, and also why mainstream media has lost the trust of much of the public, but at least it’s honest.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

Or it said things you can’t reasonably counter because you know them to be true, deep down.

No, it was mostly just faux centrism that I found unexciting. I’ll reexamine and counter it point by point if you want me to.

Why? It’ll just be more contrarian blather.

So what’s your problem then? And what, Am I not allowed to disagree with your shit without being a contrarian? How does that make me a contrarian? Plus you seem to the less popular opinion in this forum so how is me going after the less popular opinion contrarian?

Of course you can disagree. I’m just saying the discussion won’t be productive, as the last few pages of this thread have shown.

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Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

This was almost an effective way to distract from the fact that you got called out on an erroneous assumption. Keep trying.

Uh, no. Not at all. Plus you’re just using my own style of mockery against me which indicates a near total lack of creativity on your part. My assumption wasn’t erroneous. Your post implied an equivalence between Pizzagate and Trump-Nazi connections. The same way you implied an equivalence between Black Lives Matter and white nationalists a few days ago.

I didn’t imply parity between Pizzagate and Neo-Nazis. You inferred it—which you do quite often, and usually mistakenly, which is what happens when your emotions dictate your state of mind and you’re intent on finding boogeymen everywhere.

I inferred it because it was the obvious implication. And you find boogeymen too. Remember when I debunked your claim that Youtube was targeting conservatives with demonitization by offering several leftwing examples of demonitized channels? You just responded with a conspiracy theory that “the left” thought they had deviated too much, or something. How is that not a boogeyman?

You provided names and no data, and let it drop when I asked for further info. You debunked nothing.

I just found the obvious implication in your statement that conservatives repost Pizzagate and liberals repost Trump Nazi things. If I say that people will buy into anything, and then provide you with two examples, one being climate change and the other being faith healing, that implies that I’m equating the two or at least placing them on the same plane. Obviously.

Except that Trump…isn’t a Nazi…nor is he a sympathizer. The worst thing he seems to be guilty of in this scenario is not disavowing Nazis using the exact language you’d find acceptable. Not that it would change your mind in the slightest.

Also, I took back what I said about BLM, which wasn’t equating them to white nationalists, but Antifa, which was a mistake because they’re not equivalent. But feel free to interpret it in whatever way best fits your argument so you can continue to label me as “far-right” or “on the wrong side of history” or whatever other looney lefty slogan strikes you.

You equated BLM to Antifa, which you were equating to white nationalists. You did take it back when I pointed out how terrible and inaccurate the equation was. So I guess you deserve a little credit for that.

Far-right isn’t a slogan. It’s a clearly-defined term that is relevant to the discussion. As for history, I don’t think you have any grasp of this country’s history, especially given your confusion on black history over the last sixty years where you couldn’t figure out why blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat and instead offered a revisionist history explanation from a far-right commentator (again, why do we all think you’re far-right?) about how Republicans are actually the lesser of the two evils for Black America.

I think I understand why most blacks have traditionally voted Democrat and don’t require a history lesson from you, thanks. Same reasons I did, mostly. I just don’t think it has paid off for them. And with the left doubling down on identity politics while continuing to paint minorities and women as victims instead of individuals with agency, I don’t see why things would change in the future, so denying the Democratic Party their votes is really the only message they can send. I don’t think I suggested that blacks should vote Republican instead, though I could be wrong. Staying home on election day would send an effective message.

And once again, I’ve allowed myself to get sucked into this line-by-line war of attrition, so I’m letting this go.

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For someone who isn’t a Nazi sympathizer, they sure do like him a lot. Enough that all these racist cockroaches felt safe to come out from under our national refrigerator with the lights on.

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Not a substantive/political matter but since mfm brought it up a couple of times, using someone’s rhetorical style against them is a potent and legitimate way of debating. Sure, the person against who it’s done doesn’t like it, but that is why it is so useful. They then need to engage in a more substantive and sincere way rather than relying on “schtick” to make their points.

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Jay said:

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Jay said:

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Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.

Keep deflecting.

Try again.

You know you’re an embarrassment when you’re more immature than even I am.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him.

Semantics. You’re playing grammar games for the sake of proving your point, because…

I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons

Thanks for finally admitting it. You’ve dodged it for pages and pages of posts, so it’s nice that you’re being genuine for once.

Finally admitting it? I’ve felt that way for a long time. I haven’t been pretending. I’ve always thought Trump’s supporters were morons. I don’t think that all of his voters are bad or stupid. I explained the distinction I make between Trump voters and supporters a while ago.

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Not a substantive/political matter but since mfm brought it up a couple of times, using someone’s rhetorical style against them is a potent and legitimate way of debating. Sure, the person against who it’s done doesn’t like it, but that is why it is so useful. They then need to engage in a more substantive and sincere way rather than relying on “schtick” to make their points.

In this case it just demonstrated a lack of creativity on his part, which is fine if he’s okay with that, but I was genuinely giving him good advice.

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Mrebo said:

Not a substantive/political matter but since mfm brought it up a couple of times, using someone’s rhetorical style against them is a potent and legitimate way of debating. Sure, the person against who it’s done doesn’t like it, but that is why it is so useful. They then need to engage in a more substantive and sincere way rather than relying on “schtick” to make their points.

In this case it just demonstrated a lack of creativity on his part, which is fine if he’s okay with that, but I was genuinely giving him good advice.

Creativity isn’t the issue. It’s too bad you didn’t rise to the occasion in your recent posts as I know you are capable of doing so.

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Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

Not a substantive/political matter but since mfm brought it up a couple of times, using someone’s rhetorical style against them is a potent and legitimate way of debating. Sure, the person against who it’s done doesn’t like it, but that is why it is so useful. They then need to engage in a more substantive and sincere way rather than relying on “schtick” to make their points.

In this case it just demonstrated a lack of creativity on his part, which is fine if he’s okay with that, but I was genuinely giving him good advice.

Creativity isn’t the issue. It’s too bad you didn’t rise to the occasion in your recent posts as I know you are capable of doing so.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

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Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.

Keep deflecting.

Try again.

You know you’re an embarrassment when you’re more immature than even I am.

Why take anything you post seriously then? Why respond in a serious manner?

Everyone should remember the next time that they engage in a debate with you that your tactics will be immature and not worthy of a response.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him.

Semantics. You’re playing grammar games for the sake of proving your point, because…

I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons

Thanks for finally admitting it. You’ve dodged it for pages and pages of posts, so it’s nice that you’re being genuine for once.

Finally admitting it? I’ve felt that way for a long time. I haven’t been pretending. I’ve always thought Trump’s supporters were morons. I don’t think that all of his voters are bad or stupid. I explained the distinction I make between Trump voters and supporters a while ago.

You only draw this distinction between Trump’s “supporters” and Trump’s “voters” so you can continue to use labels like racist, moron, etc. in your rhetoric and then retreat behind “I know they’re not all like that” when you want to appear magnanimous.

Can you put a number to it? How many of the 60+ million Trump voters are racist morons? You clearly feel Trump wouldn’t hold the office without the support of racist morons, so the number must be relatively high.

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Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.

Keep deflecting.

Try again.

You know you’re an embarrassment when you’re more immature than even I am.

Why take anything you post seriously then? Why respond in a serious manner?

Because I’m still right and am making reasonable arguments about what I’m talking about. George Carlin was often pretty immature and he still knew what he was talking about.

Everyone should remember the next time that they engage in a debate with you that your tactics will be immature and not worthy of a response.

lawl. What a joke.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him.

Semantics. You’re playing grammar games for the sake of proving your point, because…

I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons

Thanks for finally admitting it. You’ve dodged it for pages and pages of posts, so it’s nice that you’re being genuine for once.

Finally admitting it? I’ve felt that way for a long time. I haven’t been pretending. I’ve always thought Trump’s supporters were morons. I don’t think that all of his voters are bad or stupid. I explained the distinction I make between Trump voters and supporters a while ago.

You only draw this distinction between Trump’s “supporters” and Trump’s “voters” so you can continue to use labels like racist, moron, etc. in your rhetoric and then retreat behind “I know they’re not all like that” when you want to appear magnanimous.

I don’t throw the “racist” label around very much, usually just when it’s relevant. I do call a lot of people morons. Just recently I was complaining to a friend about how much of a moron Bill Maher is for not realizing that Hillary Clinton was a corrupt, corporatist pile of shit that handed the election to Donald Trump on a silver platter. So that word in my lexicon isn’t unique to Trump supporters.

Can you put a number to it? How many of the 60+ million Trump voters are racist morons? You clearly feel Trump wouldn’t hold the office without the support of racist morons, so the number must be relatively high.

How could I put a number to it? I’m not a fucking fortune-teller. I can’t read minds. If I put a percentage to the number of morons at Trump’s rallies I’d probably estimate around 98-99% with maybe 70% of them being outwardly racist, although the number of racists would depend on the city. That’s my ballpark estimate.

I’ve also never said that he wouldn’t hold office without the support of racist morons. I guess presumably he wouldn’t have won if not a single racist moron voted, maybe, but those people vote Republican these days anyway so I don’t think that racism (although it’s an obvious element of his base) won the election for him. I’ve said he wouldn’t be in power without the Electoral College, which is true, but the states that spun that around for him were Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. I don’t think racist voters turned those states around. I think those states lost due to Hillary’s incompetence as well as the corruption of the corporate Democratic Party that has sold out the working-class repeatedly and did so again right before the election by scamming Bernie Sanders, who was very popular in those states, out of the nomination. Bernie Sanders was much more progressive on race issues than Hillary was, by the way. So once again, you’ve fallen flat on your face in your attempt to put words in my mouth. Try again. Keep trying. Better luck next time. I’m sure you’ll fail just as hard the next time, but I wish you luck anyway. Please continue to lie compulsively about what I think in order to turn me into a caricature of the SJW “everybody is racist” types that your rightwing Youtube buddies have taught you to argue against. It’s, to quote our president, “SAD!”

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