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Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Isn’t the main issue that they can’t be forced to work for a private company?

I don’t have a big problem with it as long at it is only done with convicted prisoners, and done humanely and under reasonable and fair conditions and the 8th amendment is applied properly.

So you’re in favor of “humane” slavery? Cool.

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Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Isn’t the main issue that they can’t be forced to work for a private company?

I don’t have a big problem with it as long at it is only done with convicted prisoners, and done humanely and under reasonable and fair conditions and the 8th amendment is applied properly.

That would open the door to a lot of potential corruption. Certain companies getting free labor and getting an unfair advantage, for starters. Who does one bribe to you get your company on the list? What if the employee/slave doesn’t do a good job? Punishment? Now, as far as cleaning up litter or building a levee or something like that for the city or county, in exchange for some reasonable modest reward, I haven’t got a problem with that.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Isn’t the main issue that they can’t be forced to work for a private company?

I don’t have a big problem with it as long at it is only done with convicted prisoners, and done humanely and under reasonable and fair conditions and the 8th amendment is applied properly.

That would open the door to a lot of potential corruption.

That would be a concern. Any corruption or corrupt people involved would have to be dealt with.

Certain companies getting free labor and getting an unfair advantage, for starters.

I would think the companies would have to pay the government(state or fed) something.

Who does one bribe to you get your company on the list?

I wasn’t considering bribery. Bribery is illegal and would have to be dealt with.

What if the employee/slave doesn’t do a good job? Punishment?

The same as when you would have a prisoner clean up litter or build a levee and doesn’t do a good job. Punishments would have to be humane and not violate the 8th amendment.

Now, as far as cleaning up litter or building a levee or something like that for the city or county, in exchange for some reasonable modest reward, I haven’t got a problem with that.

I don’t know how that is not slavery but being required to work for a private company is.

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It’s not even suspicion. It’s patently obvious that our draconian laws are intended to imprison as many non-violent people as possible for the profit of others.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

It is also a great source of suspicion where prisons are privatized, coupled with rising prison populations.

I certainly wasn’t talking about sending anyone to prison for the sole purpose of creating more workers. People should only be sent to prison for fair punishment of a crime and only after a fair trial. No one involved in sentencing people convicted of crimes should be making any profit on prisoners working for private companies or have anything to do with people and companies the prisoners are working for.

If this process can not truly be done without corruption then I would have to say it would have to be stopped.

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moviefreakedmind said:

It’s not even suspicion. It’s patently obvious that our draconian laws are intended to imprison as many non-violent people as possible for the profit of others.

Thanks for your two cents, Alex Jones.

All laws are a government conspiracy to create legal slave labor. Is that it?

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I guess my with saying that requiring prisoners to work as part of their punishment is slavery, comes off as saying:

making convicted prisoners make license plates = kidnapping innocent people from Africa, shoving them into boats under horrible conditions, and forcing them to pick cotton for the rest of their lives under the whip.

That just doesn’t make sense to me.

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CatBus said:

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I’ve not slept for 3 weeks.

How can you stay away for that long?

You can’t. Tis a joke. The most any human can stay awake is about 11 days, and the effects of attempting to go this long can be life-threatening, and if it doesn’t kill you, it can cause permanent physiological damage.

Hey, you’ve read my political posts.

But seriously, sleep has been spotty for about 3 weeks. For the many times people here have defended hyperbole, taking Peterson to task for that statement is strange.

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pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s not even suspicion. It’s patently obvious that our draconian laws are intended to imprison as many non-violent people as possible for the profit of others.

Thanks for your two cents, Alex Jones.

All laws are a government conspiracy to create legal slave labor. Is that it?

I was actually referring to the drug laws. I should’ve been more specific. Is it really conspiratorial to say that the reason private prisons lobby for harsher drug laws is because they have a financial interest in keeping as many people in prison as possible? Is that really on par with “Sandy Hook was a hoax!”?

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Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

I’ve not slept for 3 weeks.

How can you stay away for that long?

You can’t. Tis a joke. The most any human can stay awake is about 11 days, and the effects of attempting to go this long can be life-threatening, and if it doesn’t kill you, it can cause permanent physiological damage.

Hey, you’ve read my political posts.

But seriously, sleep has been spotty for about 3 weeks. For the many times people here have defended hyperbole, taking Peterson to task for that statement is strange.

He wasn’t being hyperbolic. If you say that you didn’t sleep at all for 25 days and then insist that you’re telling the truth when pressed on it, that isn’t hyperbole! That’s just insanity.

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Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

I’ve not slept for 3 weeks.

How can you stay away for that long?

You can’t. Tis a joke. The most any human can stay awake is about 11 days, and the effects of attempting to go this long can be life-threatening, and if it doesn’t kill you, it can cause permanent physiological damage. This is why preventing prisoners from sleeping is considered a form of torture.

I thought I saw somewhere that if you go without sleep for long enough(much shorter than 3 weeks), that you start having hallucinations.

Almost makes it sound worth it.

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moviefreakedmind said:

pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s not even suspicion. It’s patently obvious that our draconian laws are intended to imprison as many non-violent people as possible for the profit of others.

Thanks for your two cents, Alex Jones.

All laws are a government conspiracy to create legal slave labor. Is that it?

I was actually referring to the drug laws. I should’ve been more specific. Is it really conspiratorial to say that the reason private prisons lobby for harsher drug laws is because they have a financial interest in keeping as many people in prison as possible?

No, but that’s not what you said.

Is that really on par with “Sandy Hook was a hoax!”?

My statement was an exaggeration. As was yours, it seems.

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moviefreakedmind said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kanye-west-13th-amendment_us_5bb1f4a1e4b0343b3dc1f15f

Kanye West has got to be one of the stupidest people in human history. This is no surprise though because almost 40% of Trump supporters wish that the South had won the Civil War, so he’s right at home with the rest of the pro-slavery crowd.

Ehh, I get what he was trying to say. He definitely deserves all the shit he’s getting for it (and all the other stupid things he’s said as of late), but Kanye’s never been one for carefully worded and well-thought-out statements.

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He wore a Trumpy hat on SNL, in spite of being told not to do so, and goes off on a rant at the end of the show. At least he didn’t tear up a photo of the Pope! 😉

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pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s not even suspicion. It’s patently obvious that our draconian laws are intended to imprison as many non-violent people as possible for the profit of others.

Thanks for your two cents, Alex Jones.

All laws are a government conspiracy to create legal slave labor. Is that it?

I was actually referring to the drug laws. I should’ve been more specific. Is it really conspiratorial to say that the reason private prisons lobby for harsher drug laws is because they have a financial interest in keeping as many people in prison as possible?

No, but that’s not what you said.

Right, I didn’t specify drug laws, but I did mention non-violent people. Clearly that would imply that I’m not talking about murderers and sex criminals.

Is that really on par with “Sandy Hook was a hoax!”?

My statement was an exaggeration. As was yours, it seems.

Mine wasn’t an exaggeration. I said “non-violent” when I should’ve specified drug laws, which are largely non-violent and victimless. Our drug laws are obviously in place to imprison nonviolent people for the profit of others.

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If you think it’s impossible to stay up longer than 11 days you should really try meth sometime. *

*=Bad advice

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Maybe that’s what happened to Jordan Peterson.

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https://atlantablackstar.com/2018/10/02/candace-owens-likens-chris-evans-to-a-plantation-owner-over-his-rebuke-of-kanye-west/

I’m getting really tired of mentally-deficient idiots like Candace Owens that pretend to be angry at liberals for employing identity politics, but then proceed to constantly play the race card. “You don’t like Kanye West? Well that’s because he’s black isn’t it? You’re racist!” Fuck this woman, and fuck everyone whose principles change on a dime like that. You can’t crusade against something and then do the exact same fucking thing! That’s not how principles work. I’m sure rightwingers have their excuses ready for why it’s okay for them to accuse everyone who disagrees with them of being racist. I’m sure it has something to do with “The left did it first so we can do it too!” or something like that. It’s all bullshit. Hypocrisy sickens me more than anything else in the political discourse.

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