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So I realize the whole Stormy Daniels thing actually doesn’t matter (infidelity, and lying about said infidelity and even making payoffs about said infidelity doesn’t really rank as high as obstruction, conspiracy, corruption, money laundering, etc in my book*) but I promise I’ll be treating it with the respect it deserves.

So Donald Trump’s alias in the legal documents is “David Dennison”. Stormy Daniel’s alias in those documents is “Peggy Peterson”. So there’s a part in the document that says:

PP claims that she has been damaged by DD’s alleged actions against her, including but not limited to tort claims proximately causing injury to her person and other related claims. DD denies all such claims. (Hereinafter “PP Claims”).

Heheh. PP Claims. Heh.

* Then again, the coverup is often worse than the crime, so it’s possible Trump and/or his lawyer may have committed an actual crime while covering up a non-crime.

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I’m old enough to remember when a sex scandal could destroy a presidential campaign.

Now we have porn stars suing sitting presidents and some are blowing it off.

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SilverWook said:

I’m old enough to remember when a sex scandal could destroy a presidential campaign.

Now we have porn stars suing sitting presidents and some are blowing it off.

I see what you did there…

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To be fair, I blew off Gary Hart too. No, wait…

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Speaking of virtuous politicians who get away with things, is anyone thinking of seeing “Chappaquiddick”?

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Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

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DominicCobb said:

Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

I guess we could. I’m just asking if anyone wants to see that movie. This is still a general politics thread I believe 😉

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Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

I guess we could. I’m just asking if anyone wants to see that movie. This is still a general politics thread I believe 😉

Probably shouldn’t, considering we’re talking about how this sort of thing used to keep people from being president.

As for the movie, I like Jason Clarke and it’s a compelling story so… possibly.

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DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

I guess we could. I’m just asking if anyone wants to see that movie. This is still a general politics thread I believe 😉

Probably shouldn’t, considering we’re talking about how this sort of thing used to keep people from being president.

As for the movie, I like Jason Clarke and it’s a compelling story so… possibly.

Maybe it’s just me but that kind of thing should have kept him out of politics altogether. Not the debate I was looking for but many presidents carried on dalliances (Roosevelt and Kennedy leap to mind) and the media didn’t report on it. Many things have changed.

Planning to see “Annihilation”?

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Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

I guess we could. I’m just asking if anyone wants to see that movie. This is still a general politics thread I believe 😉

Probably shouldn’t, considering we’re talking about how this sort of thing used to keep people from being president.

As for the movie, I like Jason Clarke and it’s a compelling story so… possibly.

Maybe it’s just me but that kind of thing should have kept him out of politics altogether. Not the debate I was looking for but many presidents carried on dalliances (Roosevelt and Kennedy leap to mind) and the media didn’t report on it. Many things have changed.

I tend to agree, it’s just mostly funny in this instance to see Trump supporters (who normally jump at the possibility to take down Dems for the same behavior) bend over backwards to defend him.

Planning to see “Annihilation”?

Already did, quite liked it. Getting a little further away from politics on this one, though.

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I personally never thought “based on a true story” added anything at all to the appeal of a movie, because 1) you’re going to have to take some liberties just to get the story into two hours, if nothing else, and 2) if there’s a way you can tweak the story for no other purpose other than to make it more interesting, you’re either revisionist for doing it, or bland for not doing it.

Some stories are interesting to me, some are not, and whether or not they’re fictional really doesn’t enter into it. And a story about a fictional politician following the Ted Kennedy arc wouldn’t really appeal to me. But then what do I know, I liked Cabin Boy.

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DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

I guess we could. I’m just asking if anyone wants to see that movie. This is still a general politics thread I believe 😉

Probably shouldn’t, considering we’re talking about how this sort of thing used to keep people from being president.

As for the movie, I like Jason Clarke and it’s a compelling story so… possibly.

Maybe it’s just me but that kind of thing should have kept him out of politics altogether. Not the debate I was looking for but many presidents carried on dalliances (Roosevelt and Kennedy leap to mind) and the media didn’t report on it. Many things have changed.

I tend to agree, it’s just mostly funny in this instance to see Trump supporters (who normally jump at the possibility to take down Dems for the same behavior) bend over backwards to defend him.

Them’s the breaks in politics. If Obama had called for tariffs on steel and aluminum or had talked about sidestepping due process in order to take people’s guns…heads would have exploded on the Right.

And when Obama was reportedly deporting illegal immigrants in record numbers and doing nothing to reform immigration year-after-year…the Left was pretty quiet. The pushback on Obama’s use of drones was also muted.

I agree it’s all kind of funny but also dispiriting.

Planning to see “Annihilation”?

Already did, quite liked it. Getting a little further away from politics on this one, though.

Art is political, amigo 😉

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CatBus said:

I personally never thought “based on a true story” added anything at all to the appeal of a movie, because 1) you’re going to have to take some liberties just to get the story into two hours, if nothing else, and 2) if there’s a way you can tweak the story for no other purpose other than to make it more interesting, you’re either revisionist for doing it, or bland for not doing it.

Some stories are interesting to me, some are not, and whether or not they’re fictional really doesn’t enter into it. And a story about a fictional politician following the Ted Kennedy arc wouldn’t really appeal to me. But then what do I know, I liked Cabin Boy.

Well this film is not a fictional politician following the arc, it is a story about Ted Kennedy. As for creative license on these things, agree it’s a double edged sword.

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Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

I personally never thought “based on a true story” added anything at all to the appeal of a movie, because 1) you’re going to have to take some liberties just to get the story into two hours, if nothing else, and 2) if there’s a way you can tweak the story for no other purpose other than to make it more interesting, you’re either revisionist for doing it, or bland for not doing it.

Some stories are interesting to me, some are not, and whether or not they’re fictional really doesn’t enter into it. And a story about a fictional politician following the Ted Kennedy arc wouldn’t really appeal to me. But then what do I know, I liked Cabin Boy.

Well this film is not a fictional politician following the arc, it is a story about Ted Kennedy. As for creative license on these things, agree it’s a double edged sword.

What I’m saying (perhaps not well) is that my interest in any true story is the same as my interest in the equivalent fictional story. So since the fictional story wouldn’t appeal to me, the “based on a true story” version doesn’t either.

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Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

I guess we could. I’m just asking if anyone wants to see that movie. This is still a general politics thread I believe 😉

Probably shouldn’t, considering we’re talking about how this sort of thing used to keep people from being president.

As for the movie, I like Jason Clarke and it’s a compelling story so… possibly.

Maybe it’s just me but that kind of thing should have kept him out of politics altogether. Not the debate I was looking for but many presidents carried on dalliances (Roosevelt and Kennedy leap to mind) and the media didn’t report on it. Many things have changed.

I tend to agree, it’s just mostly funny in this instance to see Trump supporters (who normally jump at the possibility to take down Dems for the same behavior) bend over backwards to defend him.

Them’s the breaks in politics. If Obama had called for tariffs on steel and aluminum or had talked about sidestepping due process in order to take people’s guns…heads would have exploded on the Right.

And when Obama was reportedly deporting illegal immigrants in record numbers and doing nothing to reform immigration year-after-year…the Left was pretty quiet.

The Left was noisy, but there’s no Left media to amplify that for anyone else to hear. The media was still trying to push the story that there was some sort of illegal immigration crisis in the US (which effectively excused Obama’s actions), and the media’s attempt to fabricate that crisis both pre- and post-dates the Obama Presidency.

The pushback on Obama’s use of drones was also muted.

Muddled more than muted. Lots of people were mad about how the drones were being used, but that got conflated into a larger and louder group of people who didn’t like the concept of drones at all.

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CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

I guess we could. I’m just asking if anyone wants to see that movie. This is still a general politics thread I believe 😉

Probably shouldn’t, considering we’re talking about how this sort of thing used to keep people from being president.

As for the movie, I like Jason Clarke and it’s a compelling story so… possibly.

Maybe it’s just me but that kind of thing should have kept him out of politics altogether. Not the debate I was looking for but many presidents carried on dalliances (Roosevelt and Kennedy leap to mind) and the media didn’t report on it. Many things have changed.

I tend to agree, it’s just mostly funny in this instance to see Trump supporters (who normally jump at the possibility to take down Dems for the same behavior) bend over backwards to defend him.

Them’s the breaks in politics. If Obama had called for tariffs on steel and aluminum or had talked about sidestepping due process in order to take people’s guns…heads would have exploded on the Right.

And when Obama was reportedly deporting illegal immigrants in record numbers and doing nothing to reform immigration year-after-year…the Left was pretty quiet.

The Left was noisy, but there’s no Left media to amplify that for anyone else to hear. The media was still trying to push the story that there was some sort of illegal immigration crisis in the US (which effectively excused Obama’s actions), and the media’s attempt to fabricate that crisis both pre- and post-dates the Obama Presidency.

The pushback on Obama’s use of drones was also muted.

Muddled more than muted. Lots of people were mad about how the drones were being used, but that got conflated into a larger group of people who didn’t like the concept of drones at all.

Yep.

What makes this situation funnier is that many on the right had previously labeled the Republicans as the “moral” party. Whereas a lot of Democrats have always been more or less okay with deportation and drone strikes and such (the Dems are basically center-left at best, though many would argue they’re actually center-right).

Mrebo said:

Planning to see “Annihilation”?

Already did, quite liked it. Getting a little further away from politics on this one, though.

Art is political, amigo 😉

How did I know this is where this was heading…

Might as well start talking about Trump in Random Thoughts then.

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CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Are we comparing Trump to Ted Kennedy now?

I guess we could. I’m just asking if anyone wants to see that movie. This is still a general politics thread I believe 😉

Probably shouldn’t, considering we’re talking about how this sort of thing used to keep people from being president.

As for the movie, I like Jason Clarke and it’s a compelling story so… possibly.

Maybe it’s just me but that kind of thing should have kept him out of politics altogether. Not the debate I was looking for but many presidents carried on dalliances (Roosevelt and Kennedy leap to mind) and the media didn’t report on it. Many things have changed.

I tend to agree, it’s just mostly funny in this instance to see Trump supporters (who normally jump at the possibility to take down Dems for the same behavior) bend over backwards to defend him.

Them’s the breaks in politics. If Obama had called for tariffs on steel and aluminum or had talked about sidestepping due process in order to take people’s guns…heads would have exploded on the Right.

And when Obama was reportedly deporting illegal immigrants in record numbers and doing nothing to reform immigration year-after-year…the Left was pretty quiet.

The Left was noisy, but there’s no Left media to amplify that for anyone else to hear. The media was still trying to push the story that there was some sort of illegal immigration crisis in the US (which effectively excused Obama’s actions), and the media’s attempt to fabricate that crisis both pre- and post-dates the Obama Presidency.

The pushback on Obama’s use of drones was also muted.

Muddled more than muted. Lots of people were mad about how the drones were being used, but that got conflated into a larger and louder group of people who didn’t like the concept of drones at all.

When partisans routinely cover for their guy it’s hard to say the media wasn’t acting at least partly in a partisan fashion in not amplifying dissenting voices and presenting a more coherent narrative.

On the tariffs, I haven’t seen the media expressing great opposition to the idea, it’s been a mixed bag. They criticize the confusion emanating from the White House, but less so the idea of the tariffs. I don’t think this comes from fairness.

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DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

Art is political, amigo 😉

How did I know this is where this was heading…

Might as well start talking about Trump in Random Thoughts then.

You brought it upon yourself. Better I get it out of my system now. Trump should be contained!

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Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

Art is political, amigo 😉

How did I know this is where this was heading…

Might as well start talking about Trump in Random Thoughts then.

You brought it upon yourself. Better I get it out of my system now. Trump should be contained!

There’s a difference between discussing films from a political perspective and discussing films just in general (without regard to their politics). Only one of those should take place in this thread, otherwise you’re suggesting forum anarchy.

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On a different note, there’s this: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-holocaust-museum-aung-san-suu-kyi_us_5aa022f4e4b0d4f5b66cd500

An important object lesson that democracy and human rights can be two very, very different things, and support for one does not imply support for the other. There’s an old Soviet joke: “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting about what’s for dinner.” It’s actually a pretty apt description of democracy divorced from any sense of human rights.

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DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

Art is political, amigo 😉

How did I know this is where this was heading…

Might as well start talking about Trump in Random Thoughts then.

You brought it upon yourself. Better I get it out of my system now. Trump should be contained!

There’s a difference between discussing films from a political perspective and discussing films just in general (without regard to their politics). Only one of those should take place in this thread, otherwise you’re suggesting forum anarchy.

Cross-posted from the great beyond:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/joke

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I don’t use emoticons, but if I did I would have in my last post if you know what I mean.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

As a liberal, I was very upset at Obama’s use of drones and his massive deportations.
Which is why I found it ironic that the right painted him soft on immigration and defense.

My thoughts exactly.