Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 656

ChainsawAsh said:

I hate that I’m surprised at the number of school shootings since Columbine.

25 seems low.

Fatal school shootings.

^ very good point

The Polish cow has died.

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/967068790814134272

25 fatal school shootings since Columbine. How did each shooting come to an end? A thread. (1/x) https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/15/fox-news-anchor-shepard-smith-lists-all-25-fatal-school-shootings-since-columbine/23362465/#slide=ad%23fullscreen

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/967090653011292160

Some of the common themes:
-many shootings happened quickly and ended in suicide
-unarmed school staff de-escalated or subdued shooter in many cases
-in many of these cases school police were on campus. None stopped the shooting

Actually I’m glad you posted this for a different reason. We’ve been talking on and off about suicides and one angle that doesn’t get a lot of discussion is that many mass shootings are also planned as suicides. World’s shittiest suicides, sure, but suicides nonetheless. Presumably some policies designed to prevent suicides would also have an effect on mass shootings.

Meanwhile, Sen. Claire McCaskill remains the nation’s luckiest Democrat.

CatBus said:

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/967068790814134272

25 fatal school shootings since Columbine. How did each shooting come to an end? A thread. (1/x) https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/15/fox-news-anchor-shepard-smith-lists-all-25-fatal-school-shootings-since-columbine/23362465/#slide=ad%23fullscreen

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/967090653011292160

Some of the common themes:
-many shootings happened quickly and ended in suicide
-unarmed school staff de-escalated or subdued shooter in many cases
-in many of these cases school police were on campus. None stopped the shooting

Actually I’m glad you posted this for a different reason. We’ve been talking on and off about suicides and one angle that doesn’t get a lot of discussion is that many mass shootings are also planned as suicides. World’s shittiest suicides, sure, but suicides nonetheless. Presumably some policies designed to prevent suicides would also have an effect on mass shootings.

The decision to take only one’s own life strikes me as very different from murdering others followed by suicide.

A policy designed to address mental health issues may well prevent murders and suicides. Despair can be a common root of both conditions.

I have not been contributing to the gun control conversation because I feel the changes we need to make are too vehemently opposed by ignorant, stubborn people. The kids are going to have a march on Washington and many people discount their opinions because they’re just kids and don’t know what they’re talking about.

chyron8472 said:

I feel the changes we need to make are too vehemently opposed by ignorant, stubborn people.

That’s politics for ya.

Some teens are vapid morons, others aren’t, just like adults. Teens’ undeniable lack of experience and knowledge is both a boon and an impediment. Students at risk of violence also have an undeniable interest and relevant perspective. Sadly the adults will use or ignore them as suits their purposes.

Fresh on the heels of a member of one right-wing militant group opening fire on students, another right-wing militant group is, without even pretending to seek permission, setting up armed “guards” to “protect” schools, presumably from people very much like themselves.

Assuming this is the same Oath Keepers that’s pulled stunts like these in the past, here’s the con they’re running: Some bloody event has claimed national headlines and they weren’t at it, so people continue to not care about their message. So they try to stir up another bloodbath, so that their members can use their presence at the next massacre as a media platform to spout their worldview. And this time they’re doing it at schools.

Schools are well within their rights to keep these loons far off campus?

CatBus said:

Fresh on the heels of a member of one right-wing militant group opening fire on students, another right-wing militant group is, without even pretending to seek permission, setting up armed “guards” to “protect” schools, presumably from people very much like themselves.

Assuming this is the same Oath Keepers that’s pulled stunts like these in the past, here’s the con they’re running: Some bloody event has claimed national headlines and they weren’t at it, so people continue to not care about their message. So they try to stir up another bloodbath, so that their members can use their presence at the next massacre as a media platform to spout their worldview. And this time they’re doing it at schools.

As far as I’ve seen there is no confirmation that Cruz was a member of a militant group. Early on there were reports that he participated in a white supremacist organization but that story hasn’t held up according to reports.

From what I read about the Oath Keepers, there’s plenty to find objectionable but where is the evidence of the “con” to which you allude?

As long as they’re not on school property and otherwise not violating the law, school can’t do anything.

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Fresh on the heels of a member of one right-wing militant group opening fire on students, another right-wing militant group is, without even pretending to seek permission, setting up armed “guards” to “protect” schools, presumably from people very much like themselves.

Assuming this is the same Oath Keepers that’s pulled stunts like these in the past, here’s the con they’re running: Some bloody event has claimed national headlines and they weren’t at it, so people continue to not care about their message. So they try to stir up another bloodbath, so that their members can use their presence at the next massacre as a media platform to spout their worldview. And this time they’re doing it at schools.

As far as I’ve seen there is no confirmation that Cruz was a member of a militant group. Early on there were reports that he participated in a white supremacist organization but that story hasn’t held up according to reports.

I guess the MAGA hat is the only solid evidence of white supremacist leanings, then.

From what I read about the Oath Keepers, there’s plenty to find objectionable but where is the evidence of the “con” to which you allude?

Follow the last link. Attempting to dump a large amount of weapons into Ferguson at that time was nothing less than dumping kerosene on a flame. I have no doubt at all their goal was to get citizens and cops shooting each other in larger numbers, and I credit the citizens of Ferguson for knowing the math on that and declining their “assistance”. Thankfully, the Oath Keepers wasted some rubles on that particular gambit.

Agreed there’s not much the schools can do, we’re back to that “reasonable” standard of intent to harm, and they seem fairly good at staying on the safe side of that line (well, safe for white guys).

https://www.mediaite.com/online/how-my-wife-fell-for-the-parkland-crisis-actor-conspiracy-theory-and-why-it-matters/

So Delta is “attacking” conservatives by not giving discounts to NRA members? That sounds like something that would be said as a joke on a Saturday Night Live skit.

Everything is political nowadays, including every movie. Especially Adam Sandler movies. Corporations are increasingly eager to stake out positions aligned with liberal politics. So be it. If it means conservative-corporate alliance is fractured, then it’s win-win.