Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 560

Handman said:

I find it kind of unsettling that sexual abuse in the public conscious is all about men preying on women… it goes both ways… I’d know.

Woman-man harassment schemes are much less common than man-woman or even man-man (see: Spacey, Kevin). While I’m sure it happens both ways, trying to frame it as an everybody problem is disingenuous.

Warbler said:

If the title is called PERSON of the Year, how can you pick a group of people?

Everything need not be taken literally.

Also in 2014, the “Person of the Year” was the people fighting Ebola. In 2005 is was “Good Samaritans” (humanitarian philanthropists). In 2002, whistleblowers. And that’s not including the times when they chose a generic such as “The Protester” (2011) or “The American Soldier” (2003) which was grammatically singular but still referring to multiple people. They have a plural “Person of the Year” pretty often.

yhwx said:

Handman said:

I find it kind of unsettling that sexual abuse in the public conscious is all about men preying on women… it goes both ways… I’d know.

Woman-man harassment schemes are much less common than man-woman or even man-man (see: Spacey, Kevin). While I’m sure it happens both ways, trying to frame it as an everybody problem is disingenuous.

It is an everybody problem. I typed a story of mine recently and then deleted it because it’s embarrassing. The short version of the story is that when I was harassed by some dumb, evil motherfucker absolutely no one cared. At all. You can’t expect everyone to be up in arms about something if you’re unwilling to acknowledge the reality that it’s not a black-and-white issue that only affects certain people. Your soulless, pragmatic approach to “this happens more so other people’s experiences are automatically less important” actually sickens me quite a bit. By your logic someone could just as easily say that since most people won’t be raped, it’s disingenuous to frame it as such a big problem. Also, your “I’m sure it happens both ways,” is totally dishonest. You know that it happens both ways so don’t frame it disingenuously.

DominicCobb said:

You’re missing the point.

What point is that?

So far I seem to disagree with everyone, if that helps matters.

Possessed said:

I will say that working with the public and being young and handsome I’ve been harassed by a few women and it’s turned ugly a couple times and I was genuinely uncomfortable several times. Did anybody care? No, it was a funny joke that I would even complain about it.

Not saying men have it near as bad as women, but male victimization could stand to be a bit destigmatized.

Oh my God, you’re so disingenuous!!!

Warbler said:

I will agree that there is one big difference between a male being harassed and a female being harassed. Most men are bigger and stronger than women, that is just the biology works. So when a man gets harassed, he can defend himself because he is stronger, most of the time. But when a woman gets harassed, most of the time she can not.

Yikes, this is exactly why there is a stigma around it. Because for a man to admit it, he will believe that others will see him as weak, as your post proves.

Not to mention that a man defending himself against a woman would likely get him arrested.

moviefreakedmind said:

Not to mention that a man defending himself against a woman would likely get him arrested.

I know a male victim of domestic violence who was terrified of defending himself and getting arrested. Maybe his was the exception, but when the cops in his case arrived, they were pretty good at reading the scene. His wife was arrested and they never even seemed to consider the possibility that she was the victim.

The downside of course is the lipservice post-arrest support. They handed him a domestic violence pamphlet and were off (not like they were trained to do more, but still). They did helpfully add that wherever the pamphlet said “woman”, he could substitute the word “man” and I’m sure that was a whole heap of help for him in that moment.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not to mention that a man defending himself against a woman would likely get him arrested.

Why would he be arrested if it were truly self defense?

Really? Based on your earlier post (the one I quoted before), who do you think people would believe, the man or the woman?