Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 505

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trumps-trans-military-ban-was-just-dealt-a-huge-blow-w510497

Oh hey look, Trump’s tweets matter after all.

https://twitter.com/jonsteingart/status/925049703141728257

Judge Kollar-Kotelly doesn’t just quote Trump’s military transgender ban tweets. She screenshots them. http://www.bloomberglaw.com/public/document/DOE_et_al_v_TRUMP_et_al_Docket_No_117cv01597_DDC_Aug_09_2017_Cour/2?doc_id=X1Q6NTRU05O2&fmt=pdf …

https://twitter.com/Abhi5hekk/status/924981195103805442?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Farticles%2Ftechnology%2Ftechnology%2F2017%2F10%2Ffox_news_coverage_of_manafort_indictment_is_drawing_a_lot_of_tweets.html

Abhishek Pratap‏
@Abhi5hekk

Paul Manafort indicted. Meanwhile at Fox…

Seen elsewhere: MAGA - Manafort And Gates Arrested

If Trump never goes down for any of this, maybe at least Sessions will?

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/30/jeff-sessions-indictment-bad-news-for-attorney-general/

Ha, I saw that and decided to just see who else it would fool besides me.

TV’s Frink said:

If Trump never goes down for any of this, maybe at least Sessions will?

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/30/jeff-sessions-indictment-bad-news-for-attorney-general/

I sure hope so.

Kelly may be the “grownup in the room” but that doesn’t mean he’s not a dirtbag.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/10/31/historians-respond-to-john-kellys-civil-war-remarks-strange-sad-wrong/?utm_term=.c62889d447d4

White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly was the guest for the premiere of Laura Ingraham’s new show on Fox News Monday night. During the interview, he outlined a view of the history of the Civil War that historians described as “strange,” “highly provocative,” “dangerous” and “kind of depressing.”

Kelly was asked about the decision of a church in Alexandria to remove plaques honoring George Washington and Robert E. Lee.

“I would tell you that Robert E. Lee was an honorable man,” Kelly said. “He was a man that gave up his country to fight for his state, which 150 years ago was more important than country. It was always loyalty to state first back in those days. Now it’s different today. But the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.”

“That statement could have been given by [former Confederate general] Jubal Early in 1880,” said Stephanie McCurry, professor of history at Columbia University and author of “Confederate Reckoning: Politics and Power in the Civil War South.”

“What’s so strange about this statement is how closely it tracks or resembles the view of the Civil War that the South had finally got the nation to embrace by the early 20th century,” she said. “It’s the Jim Crow version of the causes of the Civil War. I mean, it tracks all of the major talking points of this pro-Confederate view of the Civil War.”

Kelly makes several points. That Lee was honorable. That fighting for state was more important than fighting for country. That a lack of compromise led to the war. That good people on both sides were fighting for conscientious reasons. Both McCurry and David Blight, professor of history at Yale University and author of “Race and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory,” broadly reject all of these arguments.

“This is profound ignorance, that’s what one has to say first, at least of pretty basic things about the American historical narrative,” Blight said. “I mean, it’s one thing to hear it from Trump who, let’s be honest, just really doesn’t know any history and has demonstrated it over and over and over. But Gen. Kelly has a long history in the American military.”

SilverWook said:

So was marching him through a crowded parking garage where any idiot could take a shot at him.

They thought he had assassinated the President of the United States. They probably weren’t too worried about protecting him too much.

TV’s Frink said:

Kelly may be the “grownup in the room” but that doesn’t mean he’s not a dirtbag.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/10/31/historians-respond-to-john-kellys-civil-war-remarks-strange-sad-wrong/?utm_term=.c62889d447d4

White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly was the guest for the premiere of Laura Ingraham’s new show on Fox News Monday night. During the interview, he outlined a view of the history of the Civil War that historians described as “strange,” “highly provocative,” “dangerous” and “kind of depressing.”

Kelly was asked about the decision of a church in Alexandria to remove plaques honoring George Washington and Robert E. Lee.

“I would tell you that Robert E. Lee was an honorable man,” Kelly said. “He was a man that gave up his country to fight for his state, which 150 years ago was more important than country. It was always loyalty to state first back in those days. Now it’s different today. But the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.”

“That statement could have been given by [former Confederate general] Jubal Early in 1880,” said Stephanie McCurry, professor of history at Columbia University and author of “Confederate Reckoning: Politics and Power in the Civil War South.”

“What’s so strange about this statement is how closely it tracks or resembles the view of the Civil War that the South had finally got the nation to embrace by the early 20th century,” she said. “It’s the Jim Crow version of the causes of the Civil War. I mean, it tracks all of the major talking points of this pro-Confederate view of the Civil War.”

Kelly makes several points. That Lee was honorable. That fighting for state was more important than fighting for country. That a lack of compromise led to the war. That good people on both sides were fighting for conscientious reasons. Both McCurry and David Blight, professor of history at Yale University and author of “Race and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory,” broadly reject all of these arguments.

“This is profound ignorance, that’s what one has to say first, at least of pretty basic things about the American historical narrative,” Blight said. “I mean, it’s one thing to hear it from Trump who, let’s be honest, just really doesn’t know any history and has demonstrated it over and over and over. But Gen. Kelly has a long history in the American military.”

Forgot to mention that he pointedly refused to apologize for his lying about Rep. Frederica Wilson and in fact says he stands by his claims - which are easily proven as lies. Which I guess makes him the perfect Trump Chief of Staff.

SilverWook said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

So was marching him through a crowded parking garage where any idiot could take a shot at him.

They thought he had assassinated the President of the United States. They probably weren’t too worried about protecting him too much.

They would be the dumbest people on earth if they weren’t too worried about protecting him.

Dead men don’t talk.
https://youtu.be/L7e3RK_xSvc

What the hell is that‽