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The parents of a very close friend of mine were there. They are thankfully okay, but I can’t even imagine.
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Jedit- fuckit.
Just a reminder that the NRA donated over $30 million to Trump’s campaign.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-nra-friend-white-house/
Sorry for everybody in Vegas and the US today. Every time I got back in my work van and turned on the radio the casualty list was even higher.
Hearing the sound of the gun fire on the radio, it was so rapid and continuous. The kind of sustained fire you associate with miniguns in the movies. How are non-military people allowed access to weaponry like this?
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How are non-military people allowed access to weaponry like this?
America.
In a more serious answer, the US has a pretty concise constitution and there’s a lot of room for interpretation and laws to fill in the gaps. The specific section leading to this is our second amendment, which is an amendment about militias (in Revolutionary times this seemed relevant), and as a consequence of the need for a militia, about the general public being able to “keep and bear arms” in service of said militia.
The long-running debate is that since militias are obviously anachronisms that have been replaced by standing armies (the closest thing we have to militias is the National Guard, which isn’t really that close at all), what is the point of an amendment about militias?
The answer is amendments to the constitution don’t have to have a point. So this right to “keep and bear arms” has been (after decades of legal wrangling) fully detached from the non-existent militia, which also means that the “well-regulated” clause about the militia has been completely ignored in favor of “completely unregulated” assumption about the arms themselves, and here we are today.
And enough people have been sold on this gun-owning fashion/lifestyle (where entertainment and hero fantasies almost fully replace any actual utility) that between them and the lobbyists for gun manufacturers, there’s no way to impose reasonable regulations on guns in the US.
In related news, was Darth Solo’s daughter among the victims?
Not funny in the least. And thanks for dredging that unfortunate episode up.
Where were you in '77?
Just a random blip or a sign of things to come?
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Should we ban all guns?
Should we ban all guns?
Such a question assumes the answer to the relevant problem is not obvious.
But it is obvious. The problem is no one cares enough to solve it rather than play the blame game.
Case in point: Your question is not helpful.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
I don’t know; I’ve just seen it proposed. I can personally see the argument for both sides of the issue. I just wanted to see what people here thought.
Okay, then yes. I think we should. But it would never happen here. Not ever.
However, there are people who make the argument that the difference between this-firearm-that-is-banned and that-firearm-that-is-not is the banned one is black and the not-banned one has a wooden stock. Or this-specific-gun was banned so the manufacturer changed the grip and lengthened the magazine; so now the “new” one is not banned.
Also, I remember that after the night club shooting, Obama said he could GPS his phone but not a gun if he had one, that that should actually be a thing that is required, and we ought to invest in such a technology. I thought that was an interesting concept, if somewhat impractical.
Realistically, I just really think the culture will not do anything whatsoever until it hurts too much not to act.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
No, but I never want to hear the usual jackholes say they need these specific types of weapons for hunting game ever again. That’s a load of steaming crap.
I have a relative who bagged a Moose with a single shot rifle. His wife had to get an extra freezer for all the moose meat they ended up with. I’m no fan of hunting, but if you eat what you shoot I can live with that.
Even a barking loon like Ted Nugent uses a bow and arrow.
Where were you in '77?
At the very least, there need to be extremely strict, and strictly enforced gun ownership laws.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
yhwx said:
I don’t know; I’ve just seen it proposed.
I’ve never seen that proposed. What I HAVE seen proposed, time and time again, is a ban on the type of gun that is designed solely for one purpose: killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible (such as the gun(s) used in the Vegas shootings). Then comes the pushback that it’s a slippery slope to banning all guns, which is ridiculous. If everything were a slippery slope, we’d never change anything.
How many would have died if the shooter were armed with a handgun, hunting rifle, or shotgun?
I’m a liberal, and I don’t know a single liberal who wants to ban all guns. I come from a family of liberals who were also hunters. Saying we want to ban all guns is a red herring (or a straw man, one of the two). Now I do admit, it’s difficult to play “fantasy Rambo” with a shotgun, but I’m not convinced that was what the authors of the 2nd amendment had in mind.
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I want to ban all guns! Screw hunters and sport shooters, they can get over it.
With that said I know it’s not practical, not in this country at this time and maybe ever.
I want to ban all guns! Screw hunters and sport shooters, they can get over it.
Real men hunt with only their bare hands and teeth, anyway.
At the very least, there need to be extremely strict, and strictly enforced gun ownership laws.
Honestly, even if we had the strictest [edit: ownership] laws possible, I think this guy would’ve slipped through the cracks. He had no criminal history, he showed no signs of planning anything like this, and he had no discernible motive (at least right now, these may change as more information is released). He was just an average 60 year old man with time to waste and a hobby.
You don’t need to ban guns, just control them way more.
A simple question for the legislature would be: Can this gun be used by a single person to easily massacre 50+ people and maim/injure 500+ more in a short space of time? If yes, then ban it. It’s crazy that that is even controversial. Isis struggle to build bombs that cause devastation on this scale.
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While much remains unknown about the specific weapons Stephen Paddock fired from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, killing at least 58 people and injuring potentially hundreds more, people familiar with the investigation said Monday that about 20 firearms were found in the gunman’s room.
The sound of gunfire captured on videos recorded during the massacre indicates that Paddock used at least one automatic weapon, a type of firearm that is highly regulated in the United States though a fairly common find at gun shows and firing ranges, including one near Las Vegas that allows customers to shoot military-grade weapons.
It was unclear how Paddock would have acquired an automatic weapon, if he did use one. Those weapons can be legally owned if made before May 1986 and registered with the federal government, or owned by licensed dealers.
So far, at least one has been identified as an AK-47 type rifle, outfitted with a stand to steady it and improve accuracy, said people close to the ongoing probe. Investigators are working to determine if Paddock modified mechanical components to a semiautomatic rifle to make it fully automatic, which is illegal, or if he used a legal modification like an attachable crank, which depresses the trigger faster than a finger and can be bought online for as little as $40.
Banning shitty little pistols and rifles is irrelevant to mass shootings.
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In related news, was Darth Solo’s daughter among the victims?
And warb is the one we decided to temp ban? Holy hell guys I would be pissed off now too.
Anybody stop to think what this society would look like if we banned all the characters who have nasty contempt for those citizens who support the Second Amendment in letter and Spirit?
If those nasty creeps had to live in a world where the values of the US and it’s Constitution were completely destroyed, after 5 minutes they’d be screaming and begging to go back to the world of those evil conservatives who deserve to SUFFER and DDDIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!
In related news, was Darth Solo’s daughter among the victims?
And warb is the one we decided to temp ban? Holy hell guys I would be pissed off now too.
Warb most definitely was treated unfairly with the ban. Alderaan not taking a ban is just disgraceful.
I’d also like to say that TM2YC’s point is what I agree with most. Not a single american should have access to any gun that has the capability to do the awful damage that was done in Las Vegas. My heart and thoughts go to the people affected in the tragedy. Watching the videos of everyone on the floor and just hoping they don’t die as they hear rounds just snipe off, is just horrific. Sometimes the evil in the world just is so painful to see. All I know is that not any other country has this issue as much as us, and something needs to be done.
