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Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I’ve hard that “person of color” is becoming the “woke” term now-a-days.
The “woke” term?
Ok, even I think this is going too far.
ESPN has removed an announcer from its broadcast of the University of Virginia’s first football game next month because he has the same name as a Confederate general memorialized in statues that are being taken down across the country.
The network announced late Tuesday that the announcer, Robert Lee, a part-time employee who calls about a dozen college football and basketball games a year for ESPN, would no longer participate in the broadcast of the Sept. 2 game in Charlottesville, Va., which became the center of violent clashes this month during a white supremacist gathering.
White nationalists and neo-Nazis flooded into Charlottesville, marching through the University of Virginia campus with torches, to protest the city’s plan to remove a statue of the Confederacy’s top general, Robert E. Lee.
After the violence in Charlottesville, which left one person dead, ESPN executives and Mr. Lee decided that for his safety it would be best to have him to work on a different game that Saturday, a network spokesman said.
“We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name,” ESPN said in a statement. “In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play-by-play for a football game has become an issue.”
I understand erring on the side of caution, but unless there were actual threats against this guy, this is going way overboard.
Where were you in '77?
You cannot seem to understand for some reason that you can’t keep making these inflexible rules that you want to fit the entire world into for every situation.
sorry for being logical and literal.
The world isn’t logical and literal. I’m sure this board attracts people who want to think so, but the world is complex. Everything doesn’t fit into a simple grid. There are curves and blurred lines. The world isn’t perfect–and it will never be. That’s by design*.
¯\(ツ)/¯
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I’ve hard that “person of color” is becoming the “woke” term now-a-days.
The “woke” term?
oh.
Ok, even I think this is going too far.
ESPN has removed an announcer from its broadcast of the University of Virginia’s first football game next month because he has the same name as a Confederate general memorialized in statues that are being taken down across the country.
The network announced late Tuesday that the announcer, Robert Lee, a part-time employee who calls about a dozen college football and basketball games a year for ESPN, would no longer participate in the broadcast of the Sept. 2 game in Charlottesville, Va., which became the center of violent clashes this month during a white supremacist gathering.
White nationalists and neo-Nazis flooded into Charlottesville, marching through the University of Virginia campus with torches, to protest the city’s plan to remove a statue of the Confederacy’s top general, Robert E. Lee.
After the violence in Charlottesville, which left one person dead, ESPN executives and Mr. Lee decided that for his safety it would be best to have him to work on a different game that Saturday, a network spokesman said.
“We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name,” ESPN said in a statement. “In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play-by-play for a football game has become an issue.”
I agree.
I am honestly shocked that you two thought it went too far, I thought for sure you two were going to defend what ESPN did.
To pretty much everything Warb has been saying:
¯\(ツ)/¯
I give up.
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I’ve hard that “person of color” is becoming the “woke” term now-a-days.
Takes too long to say. 😉
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I’ve hard that “person of color” is becoming the “woke” term now-a-days.
Takes too long to say. 😉
Thankfully, the acronym PoC is totally clear and non-confusing.
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
My understanding is that black people refer to other black people as “Black” and not as “African American”. I’m not sure why calling someone “Black” is negative. It’s just a acceptably relevant label. Also, not that I agree with Whoopi Goldberg’s political or social views, but I remember hearing at one point about how someone asked her if she thinks of herself as Black or as African American–to which she said she was an “American”–and caught lots of flak for it. I think she had a valid point and I was annoyed at peoples’ reaction about it.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I’ve hard that “person of color” is becoming the “woke” term now-a-days.
Takes too long to say. 😉
Thankfully, the acronym PoC is totally clear and non-confusing.
Why would you call someone Pirates of Caribbean?
To pretty much everything Warb has been saying:
¯\(ツ)/¯
I give up.
*sigh*
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I’ve hard that “person of color” is becoming the “woke” term now-a-days.
Takes too long to say. 😉
white privilege.
You shouldn’t use terms you don’t understand.
If I think our skin color precludes us from the ability to have an informed opinion on something that doesn’t affect us in the slightest, who gives a shit?
When I have to put up with you criticism and your attitude, I do.
I agree with Warbler. I think it’s rude to tell someone their argument is inherently ignorant and automatically invalid. Yes, people in a majority culture might not have first-hand experience regarding issues or situations a minority culture may face, but that doesn’t mean they can’t still form nor communicate an opinion based on available evidence provided to them on the subject.
Being dismissive of someone’s opinion just because they have second or third hand evidence rather than first hand is just as wrong as someone with said third hand evidence assuming they’re a foremost authority on the subject.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
If I think our skin color precludes us from the ability to have an informed opinion on something that doesn’t affect us in the slightest, who gives a shit?
When I have to put up with you criticism and your attitude, I do.
I agree with Warbler. I think it’s rude to tell someone their argument is inherently ignorant and automatically invalid. Yes, people in a majority culture might not have first-hand experience regarding issues or situations a minority culture may face, but that doesn’t mean they can’t still form nor communicate an opinion based on available evidence provided to them on the subject.
This all happened because of the ESPN fantasy football auction thing. What “available evidence” are you talking about?
This all happened because of the ESPN fantasy football auction thing. What “available evidence” are you talking about?
This is my evidence:
If I think our skin color precludes us from the ability to have an informed opinion on something that doesn’t affect us in the slightest, who gives a shit?
This is my evidence, along with the fact that you keep using the term “white privilege.” The existence of white privilege isn’t Warbler’s issue with you using it. You’re being dismissive. You’re saying because a circumstance doesn’t affect him he shouldn’t give a shit about it, nor should his opinion matter because his knowledge is not informed by first hand experience.
I’m saying that he can have an opinion if he wants to. Being white doesn’t make him incompetent or irrelevant when talking about non-white issues. He might not understand the full scope of the experience, but that doesn’t invalidate his opinion.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
If I think our skin color precludes us from the ability to have an informed opinion on something that doesn’t affect us in the slightest, who gives a shit?
When I have to put up with you criticism and your attitude, I do.
I agree with Warbler. I think it’s rude to tell someone their argument is inherently ignorant and automatically invalid. Yes, people in a majority culture might not have first-hand experience regarding issues or situations a minority culture may face, but that doesn’t mean they can’t still form nor communicate an opinion based on available evidence provided to them on the subject.
Being dismissive of someone’s opinion just because they have second or third hand evidence rather than first hand is just as wrong as someone with said third hand evidence assuming they’re a foremost authority on the subject.
This all happened because of the ESPN fantasy football auction thing. What “available evidence” are you talking about?
This is my evidence:
If I think our skin color precludes us from the ability to have an informed opinion on something that doesn’t affect us in the slightest, who gives a shit?
This is my evidence, along with the fact that you keep using the term “white privilege.” The existence of white privilege isn’t Warbler’s issue with you using it. You’re being dismissive. You’re saying because a circumstance doesn’t affect him he shouldn’t give a shit about it, nor should his opinion matter because his knowledge is not informed by first hand experience.
No I’m asking what evidence in the ESPN thing? A lot of people (not just blacks but let’s say a lot of black people) thought it was offensive and shouldn’t have been done. Warb’s opinion is that those people are wrong, my opinion is that he shouldn’t give that particular opinion. I’m not saying he can’t, I’m saying he shouldn’t. What’s the available evidence in the specific case that caused pages of pointless arguing?
You’re being dismissive. You’re saying because a circumstance doesn’t affect him he shouldn’t give a shit about it, nor should his opinion matter because his knowledge is not informed by first hand experience.
I’m not saying he shouldn’t care about children starving because he’s not starving. I’m saying he shouldn’t bitch about black people being offended by something that they are offended by. There’s a difference.
You shouldn’t use terms you don’t understand.
You shouldn’t complain about the term being too long to say when people of color are in constant fear of being beat by the police.
You shouldn’t use terms you don’t understand.
You shouldn’t complain about the term being too long to say when people of color are in constant fear of being beat by the police.
Oh for fuck’s sake.
what?
and yes, I know what 😉 means.
No I’m asking what evidence in the ESPN thing? A lot of people (not just blacks but let’s say a lot of black people) thought it was offensive and shouldn’t have been done. Warb’s opinion is that those people are wrong, my opinion is that he shouldn’t give that particular opinion. I’m not saying he can’t, I’m saying he shouldn’t. What’s the available evidence that says I’m wrong or that Warb is right?
Your opinion is not contrary to Warbler’s opinion. Your opinion is opposed to Warbler’s opinion itself. You’re opposed to the idea that he has an opinion. Warbler’s opinion being wrong doesn’t make yours right.
Even if his opinion is incorrect, white privilege or not, he should be allowed to have it. And this is an open forum, so as long as he is civil he should be allowed to communicate it.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
If someone is eating an apple and another person is just watching them eat the apple, which one has the more qualified opinion on the quality of that apple?
what exact quality of the apple are you talking about. Without tasting I can still testify to quality of how it looks and smells. Of course I can’t testify as to how it tastes unless I tasted it.
I think this exclusionary attitude again causes resentment both ways. Maybe Warbler doesn’t know about that specific apple, but then, perhaps he could offer a more objective perspective on other qualities of the apple, while the person eating the apple may be overly-concerned with the most salient qualities, such as flavor.