Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 370

This country is run by white supremacists. Charlottesville is the straw that breaks the camel’s back, the one event that proves this society is rotten and beyond fixing. The United States of America is the worst country that has ever existed; a slave nation founded by rich and powerful sociopaths that has spread nothing but misery both at home and abroad. Nothing we can do can ever atone for the crimes committed over the past 240 years. I was right about everything all along, and now we are on the brink of a nuclear war thanks to our dictator-in-chief Donald Trump.

Fuck this country.

generalfrevious said:

This country is run by white supremacists. Charlottesville is the straw that breaks the camel’s back, the one event that proves this society is rotten and beyond fixing. The United States of America is the worst country that has ever existed; a slave nation founded by rich and powerful sociopaths that has spread nothing but misery both at home and abroad. Nothing we can do can ever atone for the crimes committed over the past 240 years. I was right about everything all along, and now we are on the brink of a nuclear war thanks to our dictator-in-chief Donald Trump.

Fuck this country.

But only left wing ideologies are able to harm people.

Jeebus said:

dahmage said:

What the hell is going on in here.

Groundhog day.

That explains a lot about this thread.

generalfrevious said:

This country is run by white supremacists. Charlottesville is the straw that breaks the camel’s back, the one event that proves this society is rotten and beyond fixing. The United States of America is the worst country that has ever existed; a slave nation founded by rich and powerful sociopaths that has spread nothing but misery both at home and abroad. Nothing we can do can ever atone for the crimes committed over the past 240 years. I was right about everything all along, and now we are on the brink of a nuclear war thanks to our dictator-in-chief Donald Trump.

Fuck this country.

Too little, too late. The GOP were the ones who let southern racists into the fold in the 1960s. They were the ones who normalized white supremacy in political discourse over he last thirty-five years. They were the ones that allowed Trump to run for office in the first place, nominated him, and confirmed his reactionary thugs for his cabinet. There wouldn’t be this resurgence in neo-nazis, klansmen, and confederates if Trump hadn’t become president. Trump collaborated with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 election, a seriously impeachable offense that the GOP has conveniently ignored to force their evil agenda down our throats. Did they care about human lives a month ago when they secretly drafted a law (behind the American people’s backs) that would taken healthcare away from 43 MILLION PEOPLE? Do they care that we have been set back decades, maybe centuries, thanks to this man they failed to stop, and the monsters that he has in turn empowered? No, they are just trying to cover their fucking asses, only now comdenming the very thing that has built their party since the Reagan era.

I assume the meaning is that even Michelle Obama, descendant of slaves, was benefiting from racism insofar as the house she was living in was built by slaves.

yhwx said:

This is insanity.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/gallery/graphic-pedestrians-struck-by-car-after-unite-the-right-rally/collection_9ad95178-7f81-11e7-ba2b-5f75148f6c79.html

So, the big question is; was this terrorism? A hate crime? Just standard vehicular homicide?

CatBus said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

This is insanity.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/gallery/graphic-pedestrians-struck-by-car-after-unite-the-right-rally/collection_9ad95178-7f81-11e7-ba2b-5f75148f6c79.html

So, the big question is; was this terrorism? A hate crime? Just standard vehicular homicide?

Likely fits the standard definition of terrorism (violence targeting civilians to advance a political cause), but there’s that Dylann Roof pigmentation problem, so I’m saying the charge will be murder, a bump up from vehicular homicide.

Sadly, you’re right. In GOP logic only muslims can be terrorists; if a white person did the same act it would be anything except terrorism. Our system is designed to punish white people as lightly as possible, while giving people of color life imprisonment for the most petty offenses. I hate this fucking country.

CatBus said:

Although this is being reported semi-decently, there was a non-lethal white supremacist attack at another location in Charlottesville today, not just at the big rally. IMO this really is a matter of testing to see exactly how much they can get away with. Unless the perps are all found, tried, and convicted in short order, I expect they’ll see this weekend as a green light for more of the same, nationally.

This would never have happened if Trump lost. Now we are going to be suffering under another “thousand-year Reich” thanks to these bastards. Now we have a judiciary being staffed with Trump sympathizers that will extend his toxic legacy decades after he is gone. This is the worst country that has ever existed, we are responsible for every human tragedy of the last three hundred years, the human race would be better off if the US never existed in the first place. Because right now it seems like we are in the beginning of the second holocaust.

generalfrevious said:

CatBus said:

Although this is being reported semi-decently, there was a non-lethal white supremacist attack at another location in Charlottesville today, not just at the big rally. IMO this really is a matter of testing to see exactly how much they can get away with. Unless the perps are all found, tried, and convicted in short order, I expect they’ll see this weekend as a green light for more of the same, nationally.

This would never have happened if Trump lost. Now we are going to be suffering under another “thousand-year Reich” thanks to these bastards. Now we have a judiciary being staffed with Trump sympathizers that will extend his toxic legacy decades after he is gone. This is the worst country that has ever existed, we are responsible for every human tragedy of the last three hundred years, the human race would be better off if the US never existed in the first place. Because right now it seems like we are in the beginning of the second holocaust.

If only Hitler had won. Then these fuckin’ lefties wouldn’t be ruining the multiverse.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:
What happened today really shook me to the core and I am appalled at the hate that seems to still exist today.

I was already shaken to the core back in January by Trump’s victory, and posted about it at length here. So today’s activities, while very sad, didn’t surprise me at all.

This proves to me that this country is beyond redemption. What we are seeing is that white supremacist values are being passed down to the next generation, and growing in power unseen in decades. Nothing will improve. In fact it’s probably going to keep getting worse until there is nothing left. This situation is, to be honest, futile and unsolvable.

DominicCobb said:

I assume the meaning is that even Michelle Obama, descendant of slaves, was benefiting from racism insofar as the house she was living in was built by slaves.

Maybe, but what you want to do? Knock down a perfectly usable White House and waste money building a new one, just so we can say the President no longer lives in a house built by slaves? The White House was built by slaves. It was wrong, it was racist, it was a crime. But it is too late to reverse it. The While House is already built. Nothing can undo the fact that it was built by slaves. The slaves that built it are long dead, there is no way to help them, there is nothing to do that will do any of them any good. Make sure it is remembered how the White House was built, build a monument to the slave that built there. Put up a plaque to remember it. But it is done and can’t be undone unless someone invents a time machine.

CatBus said:

yhwx said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

So I shouldn’t be concerned at all that if I hire this person, she is going to need a leave of absence soon?

You should show the same amount of concern as you do with your other candidates may need to do this. Husbands with eight-month-pregnant wives, lesbian moms with eight-month-pregnant wives. Dive right on in to those deeply personal questions. Er, maybe no.

This isn’t really a helpful answer. I applaud Warbler’s effort to learn on this topic, but this answer doesn’t really help to give him a better understanding of the situation. What should Warbler do? Ideally, the answer should be more specific than “Er, maybe no.”

The post is also weird on a writing-organizational level. Going straight from “Dive right on in to those deeply personal questions,” to “Er, maybe no.” is unclear and hard to understand. Those two are not great sentences.

Just as a (late) follow-up, I was getting too wrapped up in the larger conversation, trying to get people to think about exactly why they’re asking what they’re asking, instead of just simply answering it. Not my finest, no.

This is more useful info: http://employment.findlaw.com/hiring-process/illegal-interview-questions-and-female-applicants.html

Why wouldn’t you be able to ask this: “Should we refer to you as Mr., Miss, or Mrs”?

People aren’t mind readers, how are you supposed to know how to refer to someone? Some women like Ms, while others prefer Mrs and Miss. When I don’t know, I use Ms(unfortunately, I think usually comes out sounding like Miss). I am assuming the “Mr”, was a typo. I’ve never heard of referring to a female as Mr. But maybe it has to do with transgenders. I do not know. I’m more than willing to refer to someone however they prefer and I know enough not to ask why they prefer what they prefer.

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

I assume the meaning is that even Michelle Obama, descendant of slaves, was benefiting from racism insofar as the house she was living in was built by slaves.

Maybe, but what you want to do? Knock down a perfectly usable White House and waste money building a new one, just so we can say the President no longer lives in a house built by slaves? The White House was built by slaves. It was wrong, it was racist, it was a crime. But it is too late to reverse it. The While House is already built. Nothing can undo the fact that it was built by slaves. The slaves that built it are long dead, there is no way to help them, there is nothing to do that will do any of them any good. Make sure it is remembered how the White House was built, build a monument to the slave that built there. Put up a plaque to remember it. But it is done and can’t be undone unless someone invents a time machine.

The literal level isn’t where the useful discussion is. It’s not about a physical structure per se, it’s about a nation. It’s not about living in a house per se, it’s about benefiting from past injustice. So – to refrain from the original post, what is she (and what are we) going to do about that?

I don’t know that anything can be done. Unless you have a time machine, you can’t change the past(even if you did have one, there are a whole slew of problems with trying to alter history).

btw: I think it is important to point out that we don’t have much of a choice in regards to benefiting from past injustices. Just to live in this country without “benefiting from past injustices” and see if it is possible.