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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Having diverse characters in fiction can also help traditionally privileged people too, like white men. Maybe we’d have less sexism and racism if we expose people to this early.

Doctor Who had been diverse, it had characters that were black, women, gay, it even had two black female characters.

Look, I don’t think you’re being a sexist pig. I think you’re just extremely rigid in your thinking and the fact that you can’t accept a fictional character changing is the problem.

Captain Katherine Janeway is a fiction character. Do you think there wouldn’t be complaints from the feminist if they did a reboot and made Janeway a man? Do you think there wouldn’t be complaints from the NAACP if they reboot DS9 and cast a white guy as Sisko? Do you think I can describe men as being “sidelined” by them choosing a women for the next Doctor.


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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

If you look at the link provided by yhwx, you will see some are complaining about women of color being “sidelined”.

Yeah but you’re still complaining.

I’m a white male so it is very difficult to plant myself fully in someone different’s shoes, but I’ll try. If I were black, I’d probably be tired of all the white characters. If I were female, I’d probably be tired of all the male characters. And if I were a black female, I’d probably be tired of both.

It’s called sympathy. I try to have some.

Just because I complain about the changing of gender of character that hasn’t changed gender in over 50 years, does not mean I am unsympathetic to the years of sexism and racist that women and minorities have had to endure. But that doesn’t mean I have to approve of all the ridiculousness that extremists do.

If I read that correctly, you’re saying people who want more women/minorities in media are extremists.

If you didn’t mean that, that was a very awkward laugh I just had.

You read it incorrectly. There is a big difference between wanting more women/minority characters and wanting to change characters already established as white/male to female/minority. Did you see me ever complain about the Doctor getting minority companions? or the addition of a gay character?


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Must the timelord stray into this thread as well?

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I think it best that this discussion stay out of the Dr.Who thread. This is sort of a politics discussion, so I think it fits here.


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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Having diverse characters in fiction can also help traditionally privileged people too, like white men. Maybe we’d have less sexism and racism if we expose people to this early.

Doctor Who had been diverse, it had characters that were black, women, gay, it even had two black female characters.

Look, I don’t think you’re being a sexist pig. I think you’re just extremely rigid in your thinking and the fact that you can’t accept a fictional character changing is the problem.

Captain Katherine Janeway is a fiction character. Do you think there wouldn’t be complaints from the feminist if they did a reboot and made Janeway a man? Do you think there wouldn’t be complaints from the NAACP if they reboot DS9 and cast a white guy as Sisko? Do you think I can describe men as being “sidelined” by them choosing a women for the next Doctor.

They’d probably have a point. You do not. I hate to say it but it’s white male privilege again.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Having diverse characters in fiction can also help traditionally privileged people too, like white men. Maybe we’d have less sexism and racism if we expose people to this early.

Doctor Who had been diverse, it had characters that were black, women, gay, it even had two black female characters.

Look, I don’t think you’re being a sexist pig. I think you’re just extremely rigid in your thinking and the fact that you can’t accept a fictional character changing is the problem.

Captain Katherine Janeway is a fiction character. Do you think there wouldn’t be complaints from the feminist if they did a reboot and made Janeway a man? Do you think there wouldn’t be complaints from the NAACP if they reboot DS9 and cast a white guy as Sisko? Do you think I can describe men as being “sidelined” by them choosing a women for the next Doctor.

They’d probably have a point. You do not. I hate to say it but it’s white male privilege again.

ah here we go again. The excuse that justifies anything.


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whatever.


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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

I think it best that this discussion stay out of the Dr.Who thread. This is sort of a politics discussion, so I think it fits here.

Agreed.

Ditto.

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I can understand some of white/male privilege. But the use of it to justify all manner of ridiculousness and silliness and double standards, no that I will not understand.


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Warbler said:

I can understand some of white/male privilege. But the use of it to justify all manner of ridiculousness and silliness and double standards, no that I will not understand.

Well, it’s none of those things, but you might understand it if you weren’t a white male.

Or a super enlightened liberal snowflake cuck like me.

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Introducing “whatever”, the new “*sigh*”

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TV’s Frink said:

Or a super enlightened liberal snowflake cuck like me.

I never called you that.


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TV’s Frink said:

It’s not that new. Really the middle finger pic (or threat of the middle finger pic) is the new “whatever.”

I did that one time, and I apologized for it later.


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TV’s Frink said:

Also, I do feel a little bad making fun of Warb so much over this, given how much more he cares than I do. I should probably make more fun of yhwx instead.

And why is that?

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TV’s Frink said:

Also, I do feel a little bad making fun of Warb so much over this, given how much more he cares than I do.

What is it I care about more than you?


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