Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 209

chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:
Debate in this thread = Trump is a racist, serial liar, sexist, demonic, genitalia grabber

Yes. And?

and so is anyone who voted for him.

No, but they are gullible and mind-bogglingly turd-sandwichly foolish.

This is the only problem in the world that makes our world so horrible so we need to rid our world of him and everyone who voted for him.

People didn’t just vote for him against Hillary. He plowed straight on through the primaries. I mean, seriously, what the heck was wrong with Kasich? It’s unbelievable.

It’s not the only problem in the world. The problem with this world is most people don’t care about anybody but themselves, and they’re supremely bitter and angry about life. So yay, let’s vote for someone who has the cojones to tell everyone that they can go f&*@ themselves because we ourselves want to shout it from the rooftops. Yeah, great attitude for a president. I’d like to see statistics comparing his voter base to Youtube commenters.

I just find it a very close-minded thought process coming from people that say they want a better way of life for everyone. They want to see injustice, racial divide, economic divide, and what not eradicated but they don’t seem to mind supporting that behavior. Look, I get that people have a right to dislike people for whatever reason they want, but how is it helpful for those people to be hateful towards someone they say is so hateful?

We don’t live in the 50’s anymore, this isn’t the Dark Ages or the Crusades either, it’s a digital age where everyone can have a say whether anyone hears it or not. Our own political processes are outdated and hold sway only to those with enough money or power to sway it. There were other qualified candidates but they were run over by those with bigger bank accounts and neither party did anything to allow those candidates the room to participate in an equal fashion because that is not what they want. American’s are so confused because what is printed and said is paraded as the truth even though it is all contradictory and hazy.

People like you, I, and others want a better world and are willing to work with others to do it, but even we are hesitant due to the lack of facts and the abundance of “confirmation bias”.

In response to how you describe those people, I see them as people, not as targets for termination. They have families, they have friends, they have homes, jobs, and a hope for a better world. Most of them I think anyways. Why are they lower on the scale than those on the opposite side of the fence? Are they throwaway humans? Are they disposable organisms? Are they unfit to enjoy a better world because they don’t believe the same thing the other side does? I’m not a religious person but even I know that most compassionate religions don’t demand eradication on site just because they don’t agree.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/07/hillary-clinton-blames-comey-wikileaks-and-misogyny-for-2016-loss.html

Still out of touch she is. Being out of touch is why she lost.

😦

She’s a poor excuse of a human being, pun intended.

I am blown away that she believes misogyny had anything to do with it. Her own husband is the poster child for misogynists. If she’s thinking of running in 2020 after saying stuff like this she can thank herself now for losing again and go home.

https://wikileaks.org/vault7/?g#Grasshopper

Good old U.S. Government hacks Windows PC’s to install malware for spying.

😦

Alderaan said:

She’s a poor excuse of a human being, pun intended.

Sounds reasonable.

chyron8472 said:

CatBus said:

You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost.

Which is why I believe Hillary had no hope. She still doesn’t understand why she lost, but continues to blame it entirely on Comey, Wikileaks, and Russia. Surely Comey, Wikileaks, and Russia had some part to play, but that doesn’t explain her losing so many swing states that Obama won handidly.

As Bernie Sanders has said, to blame Comey is short-sighted. What she (and Democrats) should be looking at is why she wasn’t up by 10 percentage points or more compared to Trump. If the Democrats are content to blame racism or sexism alone, they have no chance of winning.

+1

chyron8472 said:

I wish someone could explain to me the appeal of Trump. Why the heck do people (still) like him? It’s like with Sarah Palin… there are people who like her, but WHY?!? I just can’t even.

1. People are tired of the coded language politicians use, Trump has the appearance of being a straight shooter, even though he’s actually not.

2. People are worried about jobs, Trump said he’ll bring back jobs. Just look at this;

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207521/worry-hunger-homelessness-lower-income.aspx

3. People are tired of dicking around in other countries, Trump appeared to be more isolationist. Turns out this was utter bullshit, as the recent missile strike proves.

Well, I guess the bombing wasn’t nearly as successful as claimed…

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/07/assad-shrugs-off-trumps-strike-uses-just-hit-airbase-to-bomb-rebels/

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

I wish someone could explain to me the appeal of Trump. Why the heck do people (still) like him? It’s like with Sarah Palin… there are people who like her, but WHY?!? I just can’t even.

1. People are tired of the coded language politicians use, Trump has the appearance of being a straight shooter, even though he’s actually not.

2. People are worried about jobs, Trump said he’ll bring back jobs. Just look at this;

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207521/worry-hunger-homelessness-lower-income.aspx

3. People are tired of dicking around in other countries, Trump appeared to be more isolationist. Turns out this was utter bullshit, as the recent missile strike proves.

I don’t necessarily agree with your 1st point or the 2nd half of your 3rd point.

1 missile strike does not a globalist make. Americans are tired of dicking around in other countries for sure but Trump is human, regardless of whether he is President or not, and he may have been pushed a bit to make a statement to the world. It isn’t the first time in our history that it’s happened and it certainly won’t be the last so there’s that.

As for him being a straight shooter … he is really more of a “this is how I was raised during the era I was raised” kinda person. You see it in a lot of people his age. He’s a product of the times he grew up in and he’s not used to reeling himself in because he’s probably always been this way. Now, it may not make him a lot of friends, but it certainly doesn’t make him deserving of a burning at the stake either.

Funny thing about polls …

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207794/six-partisan-bias-news-media.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Now, everyone knows I’m not really a “poll” believer as all algorithms have differing margins of error regardless of what anyone says but this poll kinda makes this thread a minority when it comes to belief in media and confirmation bias.

If the numbers are to be believed, of course.

😉

Alderaan said:

She’s a poor excuse of a human being, pun intended.

I don’t think she’ll ever escape the lying and deceit image she created for herself. Some folks here call Trump a serial liar … well, their own candidate sits in the same pool he does then. Americans are tired of the political bullshit and the lack of transparency that was promised them by Obama. The Democratic party will need more than just words and false narratives to win the next election. Hillary Clinton’s time has been and gone, I just don’t think she’s realized it yet.

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

I wish someone could explain to me the appeal of Trump. Why the heck do people (still) like him? It’s like with Sarah Palin… there are people who like her, but WHY?!? I just can’t even.

1. People are tired of the coded language politicians use, Trump has the appearance of being a straight shooter, even though he’s actually not.

2. People are worried about jobs, Trump said he’ll bring back jobs. Just look at this;

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207521/worry-hunger-homelessness-lower-income.aspx

3. People are tired of dicking around in other countries, Trump appeared to be more isolationist. Turns out this was utter bullshit, as the recent missile strike proves.

I don’t necessarily agree with your 1st point or the 2nd half of your 3rd point.

1 missile strike does not a globalist make.

Sure, but it sure as hell isn’t isolationist either.

Americans are tired of dicking around in other countries for sure but Trump is human, regardless of whether he is President or not, and he may have been pushed a bit to make a statement to the world.

I’m not sure I’m comfortable having a president that’s so easily convinced to go back on his word. Remember when he met with pharma lobbyists and then totally flipped his position on on drug prices?

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14453740/trump-medicare-prescription-drugs

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-care-news/articles/2017-01-31/after-vilifying-drug-companies-donald-trump-meets-with-executives

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/trump-seems-to-flip-flop-on-drug-prices-after-pharma-meeting.html

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

You don’t say

Trump is always changing his mind. It’s well documented that he generally goes along with whatever the last person he talked to told him.

^I haven’t seen any documentation anywhere that reveals who he talks to every time he talks to someone before making a decision.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

I don’t believe it’s a simple as this though for those who don’t like him I’m sure it would be nice if it was. It’s politics. This is not a new game. How many Presidents before him have done this but in a far worse capacity? These types of things are not Trump “exclusive” and they never will be. I’m sure he’s finding the political song and dance far more challenging than he expected it to be. Could any of us do better in such a position?

Jetrell Fo said:

^I haven’t seen any documentation anywhere that reveals who he talks to every time he talks to someone before making a decision.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

I don’t believe it’s a simple as this though for those who don’t like him I’m sure it would be nice if it was. It’s politics. This is not a new game. How many Presidents before him have done this but in a far worse capacity?

So it’s alright because other people have done worse?

These types of things are not Trump “exclusive” and they never will be. I’m sure he’s finding the political song and dance far more challenging than he expected it to be.

Oh, well in that case it’s alright. Poor Trump.

Could any of us do better in such a position?

Shouldn’t the president be held to a higher standard than that of the common person? Sure, people make mistakes, but the president can’t afford to make mistakes.

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

^I haven’t seen any documentation anywhere that reveals who he talks to every time he talks to someone before making a decision.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

I don’t believe it’s a simple as this though for those who don’t like him I’m sure it would be nice if it was. It’s politics. This is not a new game. How many Presidents before him have done this but in a far worse capacity?

So it’s alright because other people have done worse?

These types of things are not Trump “exclusive” and they never will be. I’m sure he’s finding the political song and dance far more challenging than he expected it to be.

Oh, well in that case it’s alright. Poor Trump.

Could any of us do better in such a position?

Shouldn’t the president be held to a higher standard than that of the common person? Sure, people make mistakes, but the president can’t afford to make mistakes.

So are you saying that you could do a better job as President or are you just poo-pooing what I wrote because you don’t like Trump?

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

^I haven’t seen any documentation anywhere that reveals who he talks to every time he talks to someone before making a decision.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

I don’t believe it’s a simple as this though for those who don’t like him I’m sure it would be nice if it was. It’s politics. This is not a new game. How many Presidents before him have done this but in a far worse capacity?

So it’s alright because other people have done worse?

These types of things are not Trump “exclusive” and they never will be. I’m sure he’s finding the political song and dance far more challenging than he expected it to be.

Oh, well in that case it’s alright. Poor Trump.

Could any of us do better in such a position?

Shouldn’t the president be held to a higher standard than that of the common person? Sure, people make mistakes, but the president can’t afford to make mistakes.

So are you saying that you could do a better job as President or are you just poo-pooing what I wrote because you don’t like Trump?

It’s clear you didn’t understand a word I said.

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

^I haven’t seen any documentation anywhere that reveals who he talks to every time he talks to someone before making a decision.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

I don’t believe it’s a simple as this though for those who don’t like him I’m sure it would be nice if it was. It’s politics. This is not a new game. How many Presidents before him have done this but in a far worse capacity?

So it’s alright because other people have done worse?

These types of things are not Trump “exclusive” and they never will be. I’m sure he’s finding the political song and dance far more challenging than he expected it to be.

Oh, well in that case it’s alright. Poor Trump.

Could any of us do better in such a position?

Shouldn’t the president be held to a higher standard than that of the common person? Sure, people make mistakes, but the president can’t afford to make mistakes.

So are you saying that you could do a better job as President or are you just poo-pooing what I wrote because you don’t like Trump?

It’s clear you didn’t understand a word I said.

Actually, I did understand what you said, and most of it was poo-pooing Trump. Is the President held to a higher standard, that’s a dumb question, because he is. The problem with that higher standard, is that for him it is constantly being changed and challenged, and he is still only human. As were ALL the presidents before him.

Now, can you do better than him, or can’t you? I know I couldn’t. If you feel you can then I highly suggest you challenge him personally and start fixing things you feel he’s broken and stained so the world can move on to being a better place for everyone. I’ll support you if you can.

Fair enough?

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

^I haven’t seen any documentation anywhere that reveals who he talks to every time he talks to someone before making a decision.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

I don’t believe it’s a simple as this though for those who don’t like him I’m sure it would be nice if it was. It’s politics. This is not a new game. How many Presidents before him have done this but in a far worse capacity?

So it’s alright because other people have done worse?

These types of things are not Trump “exclusive” and they never will be. I’m sure he’s finding the political song and dance far more challenging than he expected it to be.

Oh, well in that case it’s alright. Poor Trump.

Could any of us do better in such a position?

Shouldn’t the president be held to a higher standard than that of the common person? Sure, people make mistakes, but the president can’t afford to make mistakes.

So are you saying that you could do a better job as President or are you just poo-pooing what I wrote because you don’t like Trump?

It’s clear you didn’t understand a word I said.

Actually, I did understand what you said, and most of it was poo-pooing Trump.

Any legitimate criticisms can be shoved away and labelled “poo-pooing” now?

Is the President held to a higher standard, that’s a dumb question, because he is.

Things like this;

Could any of us do better in such a position?

make it seem like you’re not holding him to that higher standard. It seems like you’re saying it’s alright that he messed up because Joe Blow off the streets wouldn’t do any better.

The problem with that higher standard, is that for him it is constantly being changed and challenged,

No, I really don’t think it is. My standards don’t allow for the president to make “mistakes” that threaten the lives of other people. Those standards are consistent no matter which president is in office.

Now, can you do better than him, or can’t you?

I didn’t answer initially because I think it’s a disingenuous line of questioning that’s irrelevant to the overall discussion. If I were to say that I couldn’t, what would that mean? I couldn’t do it so it’s not fair to expect that he can? Because if that’s what you’re saying, then you are holding him to the same standard as the common person.

Jeebus said “…Shouldn’t the president be held to a higher standard than that of the common person? Sure, people make mistakes, but the president can’t afford to make mistakes.”

I would be startled and very impressed if Trump would show himself up to the level of common human being.

It would be an infinite improvement over the parade of vomitously corrupt and depraved psychopaths who rule over us.

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

^I haven’t seen any documentation anywhere that reveals who he talks to every time he talks to someone before making a decision.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

I don’t believe it’s a simple as this though for those who don’t like him I’m sure it would be nice if it was. It’s politics. This is not a new game. How many Presidents before him have done this but in a far worse capacity?

So it’s alright because other people have done worse?

These types of things are not Trump “exclusive” and they never will be. I’m sure he’s finding the political song and dance far more challenging than he expected it to be.

Oh, well in that case it’s alright. Poor Trump.

Could any of us do better in such a position?

Shouldn’t the president be held to a higher standard than that of the common person? Sure, people make mistakes, but the president can’t afford to make mistakes.

So are you saying that you could do a better job as President or are you just poo-pooing what I wrote because you don’t like Trump?

It’s clear you didn’t understand a word I said.

Actually, I did understand what you said, and most of it was poo-pooing Trump.

Any legitimate criticisms can be shoved away and labelled “poo-pooing” now?

Is the President held to a higher standard, that’s a dumb question, because he is.

Things like this;

Could any of us do better in such a position?

make it seem like you’re not holding him to that higher standard. It seems like you’re saying it’s alright that he messed up because Joe Blow off the streets wouldn’t do any better.

The problem with that higher standard, is that for him it is constantly being changed and challenged,

No, I really don’t think it is. My standards don’t allow for the president to make “mistakes” that threaten the lives of other people. Those standards are consistent no matter which president is in office.

Now, can you do better than him, or can’t you?

I didn’t answer initially because I think it’s a disingenuous line of questioning that’s irrelevant to the overall discussion. If I were to say that I couldn’t, what would that mean? I couldn’t do it so it’s not fair to expect that he can? Because if that’s what you’re saying, then you are holding him to the same standard as the common person.

Of course you cherry picked my entire post to meet your context of the discussion too. Even I said I couldn’t do a better job … but it’s not because I can’t meet the standard of being President of the United States, that would be silly. It’s not okay when anyone messes up but it is how we learn. And I bet that any joeblow might excel at something more and not be so good at others … that is why there is a Vice President and a Cabinet and other people there to help guide and make sense of all that comes across their table. It wasn’t like Trump made the decision in a little closet somewhere in the basement and then pushed a button, LOL.

The standards you impose on the President of the United States, at least this one, could never be reached by him because they seem to exceed that normal standard due to your dislike of him. Hence, it sets up your justification to tell me or anyone else, how low he is on the standard list.

You have an odd way of looking at things, I’ll give you that.