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Actually I missed the date so I screwed up, but it’s now hilariously relevant. I’m guessing Hannity is not going to apply the exact same standard this time.
No, he won’t. And if anyone tries to point it out, he’ll ignore it or change the subject. I’m with Jon Stewart on this: Hannity is ruining the country.
Actually it was Ted Koppel.
Good old Ted Koppel. I miss him.
Actually I missed the date so I screwed up, but it’s now hilariously relevant. I’m guessing Hannity is not going to apply the exact same standard this time.
No, he won’t. And if anyone tries to point it out, he’ll ignore it or change the subject. I’m with Jon Stewart on this: Hannity is ruining the country.
Actually it was Ted Koppel.
Ah. Well, I remember when Jon Stewart went on Crossfire and told them that they were ruining the country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE
And, just like the arrogant whiny brat that Sean is, instead of making an honest self assessment as a result of Koppel’s words, Sean instead turns around and attacks him repeatedly for days.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
This article’s making the rounds, and making Democrats nervous:
To break with tradition around here, I’ll announce that I’m mostly in agreement with this article. You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost. Not that talking about why you lost is politically easy either, but that’s another issue.
I cannot get enough of this.
I cannot get enough of this.
Great way to hide your white supremacist vocabulary there Steve. Then again, this wasn’t in public, where he usually tones that angle down. I guess in private he’s a real Mensch. Übermensch, that is.
You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost.
Which is why I believe Hillary had no hope. She still doesn’t understand why she lost, but continues to blame it entirely on Comey, Wikileaks, and Russia. Surely Comey, Wikileaks, and Russia had some part to play, but that doesn’t explain her losing so many swing states that Obama won handidly.
As Bernie Sanders has said, to blame Comey is short-sighted. What she (and Democrats) should be looking at is why she wasn’t up by 10 percentage points or more compared to Trump. If the Democrats are content to blame racism or sexism alone, they have no chance of winning.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost.
Which is why I believe Hillary had no hope. She still doesn’t understand why she lost, but continues to blame it entirely on Comey, Wikileaks, and Russia. Surely Comey, Wikileaks, and Russia had some part to play, but that doesn’t explain her losing so many swing states that Obama won handidly.
Oh, she knows how racial politics work (see the 2008 primary fight). I think for her it’s a matter of knowing but not being able to say so in a way that’s politically helpful. Basket of deplorables and all that–she had her finger right on it, but it was used against her. She’s not about to do that again.
Great stuff on Syria in today’s Daily 202.
You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost.
Which is why I believe Hillary had no hope. She still doesn’t understand why she lost, but continues to blame it entirely on Comey, Wikileaks, and Russia. Surely Comey, Wikileaks, and Russia had some part to play, but that doesn’t explain her losing so many swing states that Obama won handidly.
Oh, she knows how racial politics work (see the 2008 primary fight). I think for her it’s a matter of knowing but not being able to say so in a way that’s politically helpful. Basket of deplorables and all that–she had her finger right on it, but it was used against her. She’s not about to do that again.
White Northern Democrats and socialists tend to have a built-in blind spot for race. They view everything through the lenses of class, and see racial issues only as class issues distributed disproportionately–you fix class issues, and all race problems magically disappear. I love Bernie’s policies, but he’s got this bad. I think this may be the only issue I think Hillary’s got a better handle on.
EDIT: er, didn’t mean to self-quote, thought I was editing, not sure what happened.
This article’s making the rounds, and making Democrats nervous:
To break with tradition around here, I’ll announce that I’m mostly in agreement with this article. You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost. Not that talking about why you lost is politically easy either, but that’s another issue.
I pretty much agree, and I think I said as much back in November. Of course, it’s a complicated issue. The racism and the economics are intertwined - people losing their jobs are blaming immigrants and people who don’t like paying taxes are blaming minorities on welfare. So I think it makes sense to talk economics and try to shift the blame to where it really lies.
The problem with facing the racism head on, as Clinton found out, is people don’t really like being called deplorable. If Dems don’t want to keep being labeled elitist, it won’t really help to criticize the populace. That’s why Warren and Sanders went at it the way they did - if the Dems have any hope in winning back the votes they lost, they can’t afford to be calling those people bigots.
I wish someone could explain to me the appeal of Trump. Why the heck do people (still) like him? It’s like with Sarah Palin… there are people who like her, but WHY?!? I just can’t even.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
This article’s making the rounds, and making Democrats nervous:
To break with tradition around here, I’ll announce that I’m mostly in agreement with this article. You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost. Not that talking about why you lost is politically easy either, but that’s another issue.
I pretty much agree, and I think I said as much back in November. Of course, it’s a complicated issue. The racism and the economics are intertwined - people losing their jobs are blaming immigrants and people who don’t like paying taxes are blaming minorities on welfare. So I think it makes sense to talk economics and try to shift the blame to where it really lies.
The problem with facing the racism head on, as Clinton found out, is people don’t really like being called deplorable. If Dems don’t want to keep being labeled elitist, it won’t really help to criticize the populace. That’s why Warren and Sanders went at it the way they did - if the Dems have any hope in winning back the votes they lost, they can’t afford to be calling those people bigots.
Agree it’s hard to talk about head-on, but disagree about Sanders really understanding. Warren maybe. But Sanders has had this particular blind spot for the twenty-odd years I’ve been following him. It’s just the way he views the world, and it’s really not that unusual.
This article’s making the rounds, and making Democrats nervous:
To break with tradition around here, I’ll announce that I’m mostly in agreement with this article. You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost. Not that talking about why you lost is politically easy either, but that’s another issue.
I pretty much agree, and I think I said as much back in November. Of course, it’s a complicated issue. The racism and the economics are intertwined - people losing their jobs are blaming immigrants and people who don’t like paying taxes are blaming minorities on welfare. So I think it makes sense to talk economics and try to shift the blame to where it really lies.
The problem with facing the racism head on, as Clinton found out, is people don’t really like being called deplorable. If Dems don’t want to keep being labeled elitist, it won’t really help to criticize the populace. That’s why Warren and Sanders went at it the way they did - if the Dems have any hope in winning back the votes they lost, they can’t afford to be calling those people bigots.
Agree it’s hard to talk about head-on, but disagree about Sanders really understanding. Warren maybe. But Sanders has had this particular blind spot for the twenty-odd years I’ve been following him. It’s just the way he views the world, and it’s really not that unusual.
Whether or not they understand the issue I’m sure they understand that it hurt Clinton’s campaign.
Honestly the only way I can figure they can attack the racism issue without alienating people is if they only focus on the bigotry of those in charge (Trump, Bannon, etc.). I feel like if Clinton’s deplorable comment was about those running Trump’s campaign and not those supporting it it wouldn’t have garnered so much controversy. Either way they can’t just ignore the issue entirely.
Great stuff on Syria in today’s Daily 202.
that is great, thanks for sharing. I personally find the fact that we won’t intervene to help (IE, take in refugees) but we will intervene to Kill, as a frustratingly recurring theme from Hawkish Republicans. George Takei gets it:
This article’s making the rounds, and making Democrats nervous:
To break with tradition around here, I’ll announce that I’m mostly in agreement with this article. You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost. Not that talking about why you lost is politically easy either, but that’s another issue.
I pretty much agree, and I think I said as much back in November. Of course, it’s a complicated issue. The racism and the economics are intertwined - people losing their jobs are blaming immigrants and people who don’t like paying taxes are blaming minorities on welfare. So I think it makes sense to talk economics and try to shift the blame to where it really lies.
The problem with facing the racism head on, as Clinton found out, is people don’t really like being called deplorable. If Dems don’t want to keep being labeled elitist, it won’t really help to criticize the populace. That’s why Warren and Sanders went at it the way they did - if the Dems have any hope in winning back the votes they lost, they can’t afford to be calling those people bigots.
Agree it’s hard to talk about head-on, but disagree about Sanders really understanding. Warren maybe. But Sanders has had this particular blind spot for the twenty-odd years I’ve been following him. It’s just the way he views the world, and it’s really not that unusual.
But again, to primarily blame racism is to ignore the fact that Hillary didn’t get the same support from minority voters, or even from women, that Obama got. She didn’t get a better turnout than Obama did or even the same; it was worse.
Racist white republicans voting for Trump, sure. But if we’re talking about swing states here: Clinton lost Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Ohio. I mean, it’s not all about white racists, or else Obama would have lost.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Got to admit the strike was probably a wise move, limited and carried out carefully (informing the Russians in advance etc). By my calculations, if Trump keeps up this current quarterly success-rate, he’ll be due 3 more right decisions before the year is out.
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Debate in this thread = Trump is a racist, serial liar, sexist, demonic, genitalia grabber and so is anyone who voted for him. This is the only problem in the world that makes our world so horrible so we need to rid our world of him and everyone who voted for him.
Sounds reasonable.
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I wish someone could explain to me the appeal of Trump. Why the heck do people (still) like him? It’s like with Sarah Palin… there are people who like her, but WHY?!? I just can’t even.
Got to admit the strike was probably a wise move, limited and carried out carefully (informing the Russians in advance etc). By my calculations, if Trump keeps up this current quarterly success-rate, he’ll be due 3 more right decisions before the year is out.
LOL.
But i am not sure this was a right decision.
This article’s making the rounds, and making Democrats nervous:
To break with tradition around here, I’ll announce that I’m mostly in agreement with this article. You can’t hope to win if you don’t understand why you lost. Not that talking about why you lost is politically easy either, but that’s another issue.
I pretty much agree, and I think I said as much back in November. Of course, it’s a complicated issue. The racism and the economics are intertwined - people losing their jobs are blaming immigrants and people who don’t like paying taxes are blaming minorities on welfare. So I think it makes sense to talk economics and try to shift the blame to where it really lies.
The problem with facing the racism head on, as Clinton found out, is people don’t really like being called deplorable. If Dems don’t want to keep being labeled elitist, it won’t really help to criticize the populace. That’s why Warren and Sanders went at it the way they did - if the Dems have any hope in winning back the votes they lost, they can’t afford to be calling those people bigots.
Agree it’s hard to talk about head-on, but disagree about Sanders really understanding. Warren maybe. But Sanders has had this particular blind spot for the twenty-odd years I’ve been following him. It’s just the way he views the world, and it’s really not that unusual.
But again, to primarily blame racism is to ignore the fact that Hillary didn’t get the same support from minority voters, or even from women, that Obama got. She didn’t get a better turnout than Obama did or even the same; it was worse.
Racist white republicans voting for Trump, sure. But if we’re talking about swing states here: Clinton lost Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Ohio. I mean, it’s not all about white racists, or else Obama would have lost.
She also lost Wisconsin … we’ve been Democrat since 1984. Yeah she was right on for sure.
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As always, Glenn Greenwald articles are a grand-slam home run:
I mean, it’s not all about white racists, or else Obama would have lost.
It’s worth reading the article. First of all racism was the main reason, but not the only reason. The data bears this out. And secondly, neither John McCain nor Mitt Romney were making explicit appeals to racists. To white supremacists, there really isn’t any difference between a black president and a white president who doesn’t think he’s inherently better than black people. So racists decided Romney/Obama on non-racial terms (economics), or sat it out.
Damn, Glenn Greenwald is the greatest journalist of our time.
I am a fan of Glenn Greenwald.
Damn, Glenn Greenwald is the greatest journalist of our time.
Ok