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Warbler said:

I object to the path for citizenship idea.

What are you going to do, round them all up into camps? Create a new deportation militia force that would eventually just become local gangs who try and extort everybody?

The problem isn’t the immigrants, it’s your stupid venal lawmakers who allowed the situation to happen so they could get rich, and it’s also your fault for voting them into office in the first place.

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Alderaan said:

Warbler said:

I object to the path for citizenship idea.

What are you going to do, round them all up into camps? Create a new deportation militia force that would eventually just become local gangs who try and extort everybody?

The problem isn’t the immigrants, it’s your stupid venal lawmakers who allowed the situation to happen so they could get rich, and it’s also your fault for voting them into office in the first place.

Sorry about that, I left one very important word out of that post, the word “don’t”. It should have read “I don’t object to the path for citizenship idea.” I have corrected the original post.

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Oh my god, these people are morons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/flynn-told-trump-team-he-might-register-as-a-foreign-agent/2017/03/10/7e30713a-05cb-11e7-b9fa-ed727b644a0b_story.html?utm_term=.b401b1753662

Attorneys for Michael Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, informed the incoming White House legal counsel during the transition that Flynn might need to register with the government as a foreign agent — a phone call that raised no alarms within Trump’s team, despite the unusual circumstance of having a top national security post filled by someone whose work may have benefited a foreign government.

The firm Flynn headed, Flynn Intel Group, was hired last year when Flynn was an adviser to the Trump campaign by the Netherlands-based firm ­Inovo BV, which is owned by Turkish businessman Ekim Alptekin. Alptekin has close ties to Turkish President Recep Tay­yip Erdogan.

Although the contract ended after the election, new details about the work Flynn did for Inovo resurrects the controversy over his short tenure as Trump’s top national security aide.

The national security adviser is supposed to be an honest broker within the executive branch, pulling together military and diplomatic options for the president so he can decide what policy to pursue. But Flynn’s work potentially benefiting Turkey meant he was representing the interests of a country other than the United States at the same time he was advising Trump on foreign policy during the election.

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TV’s Frink said:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/08/wikileaks-has-joined-the-trump-administration/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/10/wikileaks-cia-cache-fool-me-once/

I had a long response written out, but I decided against posting it. So all I’ll say is this;

This does not have to be a Trump or Russia issue. We should be having a conversation about what is in the leaks rather than the motive behind them coming out when they did, or who sourced the information. Maybe “rather than” isn’t the right phrase; both conversations can exist and should exist, but the conversation about the content of the leaks should take priority. There is worrying shit in there, but it’s being drowned out by all of this Trump/Russia nonsense. The CIA have or are working on having the ability to hack into people’s cars and remotely control them, that is a power that can only be abused, it’s something that should make everyone uncomfortable.

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TV’s Frink said:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/10/wikileaks-cia-cache-fool-me-once/

The files consist mostly of notes and documentation on the CIA’s hack attack tools – very specific tools used when the agency focuses on a very specific target. These aren’t just hoovering up everyone’s data like the lazy old NSA – this is what a modern Bond’s “Q” would use to go after a special someone, or someones.

As in, probably not you.

The attacks focus on operating systems, not on apps themselves. That bit you read about the CIA cracking Signal and WhatsApp was false. What this all shows, interestingly, is that encryption on those apps is tight enough that even the CIA hasn’t been able to break them and needs to pop old versions of iOS just to read some ambassador’s uncreative sexts.

There is literally no surprise here. The ubiquity of large systems having exploitable bugs, and the implications of this, have been reported on for decades.

Perhaps the nonstop cycle of social-media outrage has given us collective amnesia. What’s old is new, and suddenly everyone is shocked to hear that there are 0-days in Windows and Android, and people are taking advantage of exploits. We all jump on a chair and lift our skirts and cry “rat!” because someone, somewhere, hasn’t taken our advice about what to do with vulnerabilities.

The irony is that the best way to avoid these kinds of attacks is to update your system software when you’re supposed to, don’t get phished and try not to become a CIA target by, say, committing treason. Oh, and don’t stop using reputable encrypted apps. Especially not because some guy with a hard-on for the CIA told the press the apps were compromised.

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Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/08/wikileaks-has-joined-the-trump-administration/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/10/wikileaks-cia-cache-fool-me-once/

I had a long response written out, but I decided against posting it. So all I’ll say is this;

This does not have to be a Trump or Russia issue. We should be having a conversation about what is in the leaks rather than the motive behind them coming out when they did, or who sourced the information. Maybe “rather than” isn’t the right phrase; both conversations can exist and should exist, but the conversation about the content of the leaks should take priority. There is worrying shit in there, but it’s being drowned out by all of this Trump/Russia nonsense. The CIA have or are working on having the ability to hack into people’s cars and remotely control them, that is a power that can only be abused, it’s something that should make everyone uncomfortable.

I’m not uncomfortable because there is literally zero reason for the CIA to target me.

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TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/08/wikileaks-has-joined-the-trump-administration/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/10/wikileaks-cia-cache-fool-me-once/

I had a long response written out, but I decided against posting it. So all I’ll say is this;

This does not have to be a Trump or Russia issue. We should be having a conversation about what is in the leaks rather than the motive behind them coming out when they did, or who sourced the information. Maybe “rather than” isn’t the right phrase; both conversations can exist and should exist, but the conversation about the content of the leaks should take priority. There is worrying shit in there, but it’s being drowned out by all of this Trump/Russia nonsense. The CIA have or are working on having the ability to hack into people’s cars and remotely control them, that is a power that can only be abused, it’s something that should make everyone uncomfortable.

I’m not uncomfortable because there is literally zero reason for the CIA to target me.

Didn’t you guys quote the “They came for the Socialists and I did not speak up” thing when you guys thought I said something like, “It’s not my problem”? Very applicable here.

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TV’s Frink said:

I’m not uncomfortable because there is literally zero reason for the CIA to target me.

You sound like a Republican.

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Warbler said:

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Martin Luther King Jr. was an FBI target under surveilance, he committed treason? They don’t just go after “the bad guys”.

There is a big difference between putting someone under surveillance, and assassinating via remote controlling their car.

I mean, I didn’t even mention anything about assassinations, but we’ll have to wait until 2027 before all the info on MLK’s death is out. My point was about surveillance.

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Well the solution is definitely to dump everything out in the open. No bad things could happen because of that!

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TV’s Frink said:

Well the solution is definitely to dump everything out in the open. No bad things could happen because of that!

Totally not what he or I are saying. Or anyone, for that matter. There is not a person on earth saying that.

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As usual I think people make this issue* out to be a binary when it’s a lot more complicated than that.

*in regards to the CIA and the illegal immigration debates (and really most debates).

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It’s really bizarre how the Democrats have turned into the police state advocates.

I don’t know how they can even pretend to call themselves liberal and still sleep at night…

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Alderaan said:

It’s really bizarre how the Democrats have turned into the police state advocates.

I don’t know how they can even pretend to call themselves liberal and still sleep at night…

That’s the Trump phenomenon. He has the ability to bend party lines at his will.

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The solution is to hold the government accountable, and to stop giving up our basic freedoms under the pretense of “National Security”.

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I’m surprised how often I seem to take the contrary position to you these days, Frink. There was a time when I pretty much agreed with everything you said.

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Handman said:

Warbler said:

Handman said:

Martin Luther King Jr. was an FBI target under surveilance, he committed treason? They don’t just go after “the bad guys”.

There is a big difference between putting someone under surveillance, and assassinating via remote controlling their car.

I mean, I didn’t even mention anything about assassinations,

You didn’t, but Jeesbus mentioned this:

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The CIA have or are working on having the ability to hack into people’s cars and remotely control them,

and Alderaan said this a couple of pages ago:

Alderaan said:

hacking remote cars to commit assassinations…

Hence my statement.

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With this leak, I’m not too thrilled about the possibility that any average joe could use that hijacking code for their own nefarious purposes in a future leak. I’m also not convinced the CIA is always going to target the bad guys with that.

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It already came out that some of the NSA people were using those programs to spy on their spouses/lovers.

But we already knew that from True Lies.

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TV’s Frink said:

Jobs report has basically the same numbers as it has had going back any number of months, and all those times it was fake. But now it’s real. Ok.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/19-times-trump-called-the-jobs-numbers-fake-before-they-made-him-look-good/?utm_term=.712ae3fe92b7

Wow, he can still surprise. Does he have any conception how high 42% is? You have to wonder if he has a grasp on basic maths.

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