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What other book? There's no way they're gonna try to tackle that massive tome that is "The Silmarillion", are they?


Now that I think about it, I could see del Toro doing a film based on Tolkien's "Roverandom." That'd be interesting.

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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
I'M STIL NOT COMPLETELY SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. I JUST WISH WE KNEW IF THE HOBBIT ITSELF IS GOING TO BE SPLIT INTO TWO MOVIES, OR IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE OTHER BOOK TOO.


I am pretty sure The Hobbit is going to be slpit in two. I really don't think there is enough material there for two movies, but they make twice as much money that way. If they are going to do The Hobbit as one film and something else as the other, they really don't have much to go by as far as completed Tolkien material goes. They might make something up on their own, perhaps they could take ideas from the Silmarillion and other volumes of incompleted Tolien material and merge them into a working story. But I really don't think that is the case. I suppose they could also pull something together from Tolkien's other children's stories, but non of them actually take place in Middle-Earth. No, I am pretty sure The Hobbit will be in two parts, and with a lot of added material. Though if it turns out to be just one film, and the other is some hodgepodge they manage to cook up I will be much happier, because then The Hobbit comes out and I won't have to be waiting another year for the second half or the sequel. I couldn't care less about something they throw together themselves.

Also, I am pretty sure they do not have the film rights to do the Silmarillion or any other of Tolkiens stuff. So this really does leave us with two halves a Hobbit or something they make up on their own. Perhaps since they already own the rights to The Lord of the Rings, they could adapt the appendix of the book into a movie of its own.

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Its being split in two.

I don't get it either. I hope this doesn't mean they will be forced to include every single scene from the book and drag everything out as much as possible. A two and a half hour adaptation ought to be fine for the Hobbit. But I guess its true that it could make much more money by dragging it out, but thats putting the cart before the horse.

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Since Jackson is still involved, and since The Lord of the Rings films were as successful as they were, I highly doubt they will drag out too many details of the book. Rather, I fully expect them to add a ton of stuff. So, is there any information on who will be starring in this? I certianly hope we keep the same actors from the LOTR films. If they don't then it could still be a good movie, but it would not fit as a proper prequel to the LOTR movies.

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I don't think that it is being split in two; I think that this mysterious second film (which I don't think is a particularly good idea to being with) is something else.

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OFFICIAL WORD IS THAT THE FIRST FILM WILL BE THE HOBBIT, AND THE SECOND FILM WILL DEAL WITH THE SIXTY YEAR GAP BETWEEN THE HOBBIT AND FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. THE WORD CAME FROM ELIJAH WOOD DURING AN INTERVIEW ON MTV.COM. HE AND THE ORIGINAL CAST COULD VERY WELL BE REUNITED FOR THE SECOND FILM. THEY ARE WAITING ON WORD FROM PETER JACKSON AS TO WHICH CHARACTERS WILL BE BACK.

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And, as I suspected, the announcement was premature, and del Toro isn't official YET...
http://movies.ign.com/articles/849/849858p1.html

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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
OFFICIAL WORD IS THAT THE FIRST FILM WILL BE THE HOBBIT, AND THE SECOND FILM WILL DEAL WITH THE SIXTY YEAR GAP BETWEEN THE HOBBIT AND FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. THE WORD CAME FROM ELIJAH WOOD DURING AN INTERVIEW ON MTV.COM. HE AND THE ORIGINAL CAST COULD VERY WELL BE REUNITED FOR THE SECOND FILM. THEY ARE WAITING ON WORD FROM PETER JACKSON AS TO WHICH CHARACTERS WILL BE BACK.


Does anyone else hear that? It's the sound of a studio milking something for all it's worth.
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
OFFICIAL WORD IS THAT THE FIRST FILM WILL BE THE HOBBIT, AND THE SECOND FILM WILL DEAL WITH THE SIXTY YEAR GAP BETWEEN THE HOBBIT AND FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. THE WORD CAME FROM ELIJAH WOOD DURING AN INTERVIEW ON MTV.COM. HE AND THE ORIGINAL CAST COULD VERY WELL BE REUNITED FOR THE SECOND FILM. THEY ARE WAITING ON WORD FROM PETER JACKSON AS TO WHICH CHARACTERS WILL BE BACK.


Well, that's idiotic enough. Please god, let this be a rumor. Show some common sense and at least adapt something that Tolkien actually WROTE!

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As long as Bryan Singer does not direct "The Hobbit" I'll give it a look.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
OFFICIAL WORD IS THAT THE FIRST FILM WILL BE THE HOBBIT, AND THE SECOND FILM WILL DEAL WITH THE SIXTY YEAR GAP BETWEEN THE HOBBIT AND FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. THE WORD CAME FROM ELIJAH WOOD DURING AN INTERVIEW ON MTV.COM. HE AND THE ORIGINAL CAST COULD VERY WELL BE REUNITED FOR THE SECOND FILM. THEY ARE WAITING ON WORD FROM PETER JACKSON AS TO WHICH CHARACTERS WILL BE BACK.


Well, that's idiotic enough. Please god, let this be a rumor. Show some common sense and at least adapt something that Tolkien actually WROTE!


It is pretty clear why they do not. Just look how long it took them to get the legallities of The Hobbit worked out. The Tolkien Estate has not exactly been enthusiastic about the Peter Jackson films, the chances of them selling the rights to some more original Tolkien material is pretty slim. Since they are already entitled to use the characters and locations of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, they can simply just make up a feature length epilogue to The Hobbit/prolgue to The Lord of the Rings, without having to deal with the Tolkien Estate or dish out any money to them.

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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
OFFICIAL WORD IS THAT THE FIRST FILM WILL BE THE HOBBIT, AND THE SECOND FILM WILL DEAL WITH THE SIXTY YEAR GAP BETWEEN THE HOBBIT AND FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. THE WORD CAME FROM ELIJAH WOOD DURING AN INTERVIEW ON MTV.COM. HE AND THE ORIGINAL CAST COULD VERY WELL BE REUNITED FOR THE SECOND FILM. THEY ARE WAITING ON WORD FROM PETER JACKSON AS TO WHICH CHARACTERS WILL BE BACK.


Well, that's idiotic enough. Please god, let this be a rumor. Show some common sense and at least adapt something that Tolkien actually WROTE!


It is pretty clear why they do not. Just look how long it took them to get the legallities of The Hobbit worked out. The Tolkien Estate has not exactly been enthusiastic about the Peter Jackson films, the chances of them selling the rights to some more original Tolkien material is pretty slim. Since they are already entitled to use the characters and locations of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, they can simply just make up a feature length epilogue to The Hobbit/prolgue to The Lord of the Rings, without having to deal with the Tolkien Estate or dish out any money to them.


Their problems with the films have to do with New Line conveniently forgetting to pay them certain profits that they were due more than anything else.

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And here the Silmarillion would make a perfect prelude to The Hobbit and they're gonna invent shit instead. Dumb move, Pete.
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Seriously, if you have read anything Christopher Tolkien has said about the films, you would see that the chances of them selling the film rights to any of Tolkien's other stuff to them is pretty much nonexistent. The Tolkien Estate is doing rather well financially, they certianly don't need any of New Line's money to get buy, I doubt New Line could give them a bid high enough to convince them to pimp anymore film rights out to them.

@ Nanner, agreed about a del Toro film adaption of Roverandom being interesting. It would be more than interesting, it would be awesome. Del Toro would be perfect for that. The Father Christmas Letters could potentially make for a very clever film as well.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
And here the Silmarillion would make a perfect prelude to The Hobbit and they're gonna invent shit instead. Dumb move, Pete.


Uh, no, the Silmarillion would not make a perfect prelude. Many people were bored with the "3 endings" of ROTK. I shudder what those same people would do during the first 3 chapters of the Silmarillion.

A friend of mine put it perfectly. "Reading the Silmarillion is like eating sand". Yes, that's how dry that book is. Sure, there's content there, but you'd have to make it good enough that a vast majority of moviegoers would actually want to see it. Considering the changes they made to TTT and ROTK, making something up is probably better than having them adapt the Silmarillion.
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new line and sael zaentz failed to pay the 8% royalties to the tolkien estate, christopher tolkien who has made it no secret all along the hatred he has for peter jackson's butchering of his father's master work and the estates non involvement in the films will now go to court to return all the book rights to the tolkien estate and void the sale of said motion picture rights and others that were originally sold to zaentz by j.r.r. himself before his death.

i also believe that money may be a factor christopher tolkien obviously in hindsight sees the sale of these rights by his late father as regrettable, as well as lack of control over following the books to the letter.

this would also include the selling of j.r.r.'s manuscripts to marquette university and oxford which are valued in the millions possibly priceless, that tolkien sold for tax purposes and christopher had on loan or as zerox copied to write the history of middle earth series, the silmarillion, unfinished tales and the children of hurin, he may see the sale of them regrettable but they have been wonderfully preserved for generations by these university libraries. materials mostly unseen and unread by the general public as for the tolkien estates imposed recrictions on viewing, note talking or even photocopies or microfilm. it was because of the tolkien estate and christopher tolkien and manches and co lawfirm that the beowulf manuscript translations in verse and prose with notes by micheal drout remain unpublished, as well as keeping a lot of tolkiens poems and philological work out of print with no intention to reprint or make available in electronic form or as order on demand book reprints therefore driving used book prices into absurd figures for university texts and such.

there is also a feud between christopher tolkien and his first born son from his previous marriage simon tolkien, over the films. simon sees the work of peter jackson as wonderful and an added aspect of his grandfathers legacy.

christophers second son adam tolkien simon's half brother, they have diffrent mothers obviously, follows his father in thinking the work of jackson a butcher job.

tolkien was a christian and therefore i think a guy directing the hobbit films like the director of pans labyrinthe which made via allegory communism and socialism good is the wrong man for the job. maybe he should have directed the phillip pullman atheist series that seems more his speed.

peter jackson and co all but took out the christian values and synthesis that was lord of the rings in the adaptation to the screen, this to me as a christian and a fan of tolkien and lewis as christian writers amongst the inklings, a grevious mistake.

this was as stupid as the hoolywoodoodling of a classic english epic poem like beowulf another work that is a pagan and christian synthesis and tolkien was its best teacher and reader. that dumbass director who did the back to the future movies is a joke for thinking he could write better, and hiring a new age spiritualist and alleged atheist like the comics writer neil gaiman and removing the christian element absoulute stupidity to the nth degree.

grendel's mother in beowulf was supposed to be a hideous troll orgress off the moors who ripps people literally limb from limb not some whore in the form of angelina jolie.

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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
peter jackson and co all but took out the christian values and synthesis that was lord of the rings in the adaptation to the screen, this to me as a christian and a fan of tolkien and lewis as christian writers amongst the inklings, a grevious mistake.


Huh? Assuming you don't read the Appendixes or anything else related to Lord of the Rings (I'm talking strictly the books), what did they remove? I don't even recall anything in the book that explained all the christian symbolism or relations (Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron, the Balrog, etc, etc, etc). A few things are explained in the appendix, but nothing really in the story. In fact, the even left in/put in Gandalf's explanation of the afterlife to Pippin at Gondor. I don't remember that from the book at all, but it's definitely there in the movie.

As far as I know, Tolkien explained the origins of Gandalf and the other wizards, the Balrog, Saruman, Sauron, and everything else in the Appendixes and the Silmarillion. Most of that couldn't possibly have been fit into the movies. The only explanation that really made sense in the movies is when Aragorn talked about the black riders and who they use to be.

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"beowulfs mother was supposed to be a hideous troll orgress off the moors not some whore in the form of angelina jolie."

Grendel's mother you mean. But yeah, I agree with all you said. It urks me to see things like Beowulf adapted as lousy action films. And as for the Tolkien estate, I have always been quite disapointed in both Tolkien's estate, and even more so in C. S. Lewis' estate. Lewis' estate is the true shame, but I have a lot of respect for Tolkien's estate, since it is the guys family. I dislike the fact that so many of Tolkien's works that have once been published are being held back. I understand about holding back unpublished works, since someday they may be published and allowing the public to view and photocopy them could reduce their publication value to a degree. But things that have been published before, like Beowulf and other scholarly works by Tolkien, that is a real shame to me.

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speaking of beowulf the best english translation if you cannot read the old english aka anglo saxon is seamus heaney's translation, unless of course tolkiens ever does get released doubtful.

the only annoyance i have with this translation is the different metres used in the poem itself and the un authentic ulster dialect addings of heaney.

donaldson's is the best in terms of faithfullness to the old english text.

as for tolkien's works i have come to enjoy and embrace the silmarillion as tolkien's master work, not the lord of the rings critics be damned.

when i refer to the silmarillion of course i mean the intended unfinished work by tolkien and not the hodpodge published by his son in 1977, though that was edited to be in line and consistancy with the hobbit and the lord of the rings.

the best stories are the tale of beren and luthien, probably my faveorite and the longer version remains unpublished. Also the children of hurin, of tuor and the fall of gondolin.

in terms of shear delight in poetry and mythic sensibilties and fairy tales the book of lost tales 1 and 2 have things that are lacking in the later drafts that came to be the silmarallion. though these books have an extreme archaic language and are pretty much a pastiche of many mythologies among other things like william morris inspired in part, as well as the finnish kalevala, norse mythology and the grimms's fairy tales. we all know tolkien hated french yet the earliest version of beren and luthien has luthien as a rapunzel like character, a story which is french.

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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
This really sucks. I read the news the other day on The Digital Bits and I almost didn't believe it, mostly because I didn't want to believe it. I think this is comparable to the Salkands firing Donner on Superman 2. The Hobbit just shouldn't be made at all if Jackson doesn't direct. I don't think it would even be accepted. If it is made without Jackson, the only way I'll be going into the theater is if McKellen and Holm return in thier roles.


While donner being fired was a tragedy I thought superman 2 turned out alright. At the time I thought it was the better superman movie. It still is IMO but the jokes aren't as funny now. The real tragedy is that because of the success of Superman 2 they kept richard lester around to do part 3 alone.
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KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!

I don't care what anybody says, Superman 2 was one of the greatest films of all time. Between General Zod and the giant cellophane "S", you just can't go wrong with that movie regardless of the director. Oh yeah, and the part where the three of them are blowing and people are being blown over and carried away by the wind is pretty friken sweet too.



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