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How long do you think it would take someone to actually style their hair that way?
No wonder the trade federation chose to invade Naboo. By the time Amidala got ready for the camera to protest, the invasion would be over.
I'm watching The Phantom Menace (I'm going to Hell!), and I just have to ask...
WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH PADME'S HAIRSTYLES? Talk about over-the-top.
Lucas also continues to lead the fight for film preservation. "It's amazing," he says, "that you have to fight the studios to get them to preserve their films. . . . Parts of 'Dr. Strangelove' are gone; some of the music is lost. Kubrick is having to photograph individual frames to create a new fine-grain negative. That's madness, tragic madness."
You talking the actual hair styles? Or are you talking about the royal head dress things? George was just trying to show that it was another universe that has different styles and custom. They never bother me. Remember, plenty of people still make a big fuss about Leia's hair in the first Star Wars film. Honestly, the hair styles are the least of poor TPM's problems.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I don't know... things like this:
But you're right, there are more problems with TPM than just the above. But I have to admit - the podrace is still one of my favorite scenes. It's weird... a small glimpse of excellence in an otherwise pool of crap.
Lucas also continues to lead the fight for film preservation. "It's amazing," he says, "that you have to fight the studios to get them to preserve their films. . . . Parts of 'Dr. Strangelove' are gone; some of the music is lost. Kubrick is having to photograph individual frames to create a new fine-grain negative. That's madness, tragic madness."
How long do you think it would take someone to actually style their hair that way?
No wonder the trade federation chose to invade Naboo. By the time Amidala got ready for the camera to protest, the invasion would be over.
I don't think that is suppose to be her hair, it is a head dress.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
The different air styles, along with the make-up, was also a way to hide a little more her true identity. That way, when the decoy takes place, people focus on those details and don't notice that it's not the same person.
Yeah, it took me years to figure out which scenes contained the real queen and which ones contained the fake queen. Of course, now I look back and wonder how I ever made that mistake. It seems so obvious now.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
The prequels are full of people dressed up in totally silly costumes looking ridiculous. It makes the prequels universe look full of bullshit. It's part of the general bullshittiness of the prequels, part of the overall bullshit mentality that's responsible for the prequels being such a wreck. Padme's royal getup is torture. Leia's ANH hairstyle is nothing next to the avalanche of crap looks we get in the prequels.
I dunno, I still think the costumes of the PT were one of the few things that were not bullshit. You have this galaxy full of tons of planets, tons of different cultures, naturally, they'd all have their own styles of clothing. I think that did a good job of reminding us that we were not seeing a story from our own galaxy as Star Trek or other sci-fi shows, but from an entirely different, unconnected galaxy.
I think it also showed us a nice contrast, a contrast that was largely absent in the PT, to show us a before and after the rise of the Empire. Before, under the Republic, planets had their own cultures, militaries, etc. Under the Empire everyone is forced to come in line, culturally unique things like ceremonial dress or traditional clothings that we see in the PT fade, militaries like Naboo's army are banned, and (according to the OT, but contradicted by the PT, the Empire begings conscripting young men from around the galaxy to be Stormtroopers and pilots in the Imperial Navy.
In the OT we see a used, worn, and oppressed galaxy. I think the OT does a good job of showing that, everyone we come across on the limited number of civilized planets we see all wear very practical clothing, and fairly similar clothing, regardless of their species. I like that change.
I wish George could have better managed this with the ships. Instead, everyone of the rediculous models we see in the PT are completely missing in the OT. It makes sense for clothes to go away and disappear, but ships, like cars, don't just wind up spending the rest of their existence in thrift store like clothes do. You still see really old cars driving around, some restored, some chugging around as dilapidated piles of crap, some resting in scrap yards. A galaxy full of ships doesn't just vanish. This screwup was a much larger piece of bullshit glistening in the PT than the wardrobe was.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Making things look different from modern Earth didn't require dressing people in such a way as to make them look stupid or pompous. The whole they-should-look-different-so-we'll-make-them-look-stupid thing is just an example of the sort pretention that marks the PT.
There was a variety of clothing in the OT. It wasn't all just practical. Look at Biggs's Tatooine outfit or Lando's Bespin outfit or Leia's ANH or Bespin outfits. The OT managed to give them fancy outfits without making them look stupid. The PT couldn't manage the same because the PT was made with a bullshit atttude.
And you can have different cultures dress differently without going into the sort of pomposity of dress that you get in the prequels. It could even have been made somewhat different from the OT's clothing without being made so bullshit.
Vaderisnothayden said:Making things look different from modern Earth didn't require dressing people in such a way as to make them look stupid or pompous. The whole they-should-look-different-so-we'll-make-them-look-stupid thing is just an example of the sort pretention that marks the PT.
Kind of funny to hear you say this, it reminds me exactly of what I hear people say about other cultures and the "stupid" ways they dress and behave (I do a lot of cross-cultural work, as well as exit and entry counseling for American workers in foreign countries, so I deal a lot with bitter Americans who have grown to hate a certain culture that they find themselves unable to understand or fit in with). Props to George on that one, sound like he did a good job.
You know, there are a lot of reasons to hate the PT, but I think somepeople would have hated them no matter what. Even if they would have been good in every other way, would you still pick them apart and hate them because of the stupid, pompous ways the characters were dressed?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
C3PX said:I dunno, I still think the costumes of the PT were one of the few things that were not bullshit.
(according to the OT, but contradicted by the PT, the Empire begings conscripting young men from around the galaxy to be Stormtroopers and pilots in the Imperial Navy.)
I wish George could have better managed this with the ships. Instead, everyone of the rediculous models we see in the PT are completely missing in the OT. It makes sense for clothes to go away and disappear, but ships, like cars, don't just wind up spending the rest of their existence in thrift store like clothes do. You still see really old cars driving around, some restored, some chugging around as dilapidated piles of crap, some resting in scrap yards. A galaxy full of ships doesn't just vanish. This screwup was a much larger piece of bullshit glistening in the PT than the wardrobe was.
Every time I hear the complaint that the OT looks less advanced than the PT, I always argue back that it's not less advanced, things are BIGGER and UGLIER. Obviously the Empire, like Soviet Russia, liked things big and functional looking.
About seeing PT ships in the OT... I don't see why that would be the case. In the PT, we see the shiny ships of Naboo, and the navies of the Trade Federation and the Republic Army. That's about it. In the OT we see the Imperial Navy (clearly designed to have descended from the Republic Navy) and the Rebel Fleet (various fighters and a couple different models of capital ships, including the Mon Calamaia ships). In a galaxy that size, I don't see why we should assume the Rebels didn't score most of their ships from some source never even seen in the PT.
(Where in the OT is it stated the Stormtroopers are consripts?)
I'm with you. I dug the costumes. Amidala's ceremonial headgear is really no more outrageous than some things royalty wear here on Earth.
Well the royal queen of naboo's costumes were obviously based on Asian designs or have an Asian feel to them.
The headdress thing is like an exagerrated version of the big Leia hairbuns in star wars 77 and is supposed to show you where Leia got her style. You see Leia is supposed to dress like her mother, and Luke like his father. At the end of the day though i think the costumes were different than those in the oot because Lucas asked John Mollo to make costumes that did not draw attention to themselves.
Imperial Stormtoopers being Conscripts of Conquered worlds or out of the Imperial Space Academy is entirely EU derived. The Imperial Space Academy part coming from the Radio Drama When Biggs mentioned he was going to Jump ship and join the rebellion before being drafted into the imperial starfleet.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
C3PX said:Kind of funny to hear you say this, it reminds me exactly of what I hear people say about other cultures and the "stupid" ways they dress and behave (I do a lot of cross-cultural work, as well as exit and entry counseling for American workers in foreign countries, so I deal a lot with bitter Americans who have grown to hate a certain culture that they find themselves unable to understand or fit in with). Props to George on that one, sound like he did a good job.
Oh nonsense. It isn't a good job making them culturally different, it's just a conspicuous example of the prequels obsession with making everything opulent and elaborate and prettified. The prequels are all show. Like the elaborate cgi backgrounds dwarfing the characters, while the characters don't make a connection and the human element is clearly not paid enough attention to. Your statement is clearly intended to imply that I'm a narrow-minded bigot, but the prequels outfits are not outfits that naturally evolved as part of an organic culture, they're just a product of prequel pomposity and pretention.
You know, there are a lot of reasons to hate the PT, but I think somepeople would have hated them no matter what. Even if they would have been good in every other way, would you still pick them apart and hate them because of the stupid, pompous ways the characters were dressed?
That's nonsense. I dislike the way they're dressed because it's part of the overall bullshit mentality of the prequels. If the prequels had been done well or in a way that fitted with the OT I would have liked the prequels and I wouldnt give a damn about the outfits. If they had the "been good in every other way", the outfits wouldn't be a concern. The outfits are a concern solely as part of an overall mentality which causes the lack of quality and lack of consistency with the OT. If that mentality wasn't there and the outits were just an isolated thing they wouldn't be worth giving a damn about. I didn't set out to hate the prequels. After all, I didn't even start hating the PT until I saw AOTC. Stop stereotyping my mentality.
The outfits are a concern solely as part of an overall mentality which causes the lack of quality and lack of consistency with the OT.
The fact that the prequels are obviously not as good as the OT don't mean that every single aspect of the movies needs to be bashed. Almost every posts, with the exeption of yours, brought an argument about why the costumes are looking the way they are. If you don't like the style, you don't like the style, but the costumes are one the few elements in the PT that were done for good reasons. IMO.
I think your problem is maybe more that there are too much Queen, senators, politicians etc... in the PT. And I'd be totaly with you on this one. But once you have this sort of characters, you just can't dress them in rags.
The lightning of the movie is also big part of the way we look at the costumes. Take those same clothes in a dark environment with no oversaturated color and maybe you'll find them cool.
TMBTM said:The fact that the prequels are obviously not as good as the OT don't mean that every single aspect of the movies needs to be bashed.
Every single thing that's wrong with them does deserve to be to be bashed. There's no good reason why it shouldn't be that way.
Almost every posts, with the exeption of yours, brought an argument about why the costumes are looking the way they are.
Now you want me to make excuses for something I dislike? That's a bit weird. And anyway, I did say why the costumees are like that -because of the pomposity and pretention of the prequels. That's as good an argument for why as any other.
If you don't like the style, you don't like the style, but the costumes are one the few elements in the PT that were done for good reasons. IMO.
YOU think they were done for good reasons. I don't. I think they were done because of a bullshit attitude.
I think your problem is maybe more that there are too much Queen, senators, politicians etc... in the PT. And I'd be totaly with you on this one. But once you have this sort of characters, you just can't dress them in rags.
Just because you can't dress them in rags doesn't mean they have to be dressed like that. In the OT we got a princess and a city administrator. They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?
Vaderisnothayden said:They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?
Who was dressed to look like an idiot? I admit Padme's Queen get-ups were a bit over the top (although IMHO not outrageously so), but seriously, who looked like an idiot? Even Jar Jar just had a vest and leather pants.
skyjedi2005 said:Imperial Stormtoopers being Conscripts of Conquered worlds or out of the Imperial Space Academy is entirely EU derived. The Imperial Space Academy part coming from the Radio Drama When Biggs mentioned he was going to Jump ship and join the rebellion before being drafted into the imperial starfleet.
Nope. Unless the original novel and the Biggs scene are EU, then you are correct. Biggs and Luke are talking and one of them (I forget which) mentions that it is not a good idea for Luke to wait around to be conscripted by the Empire.
Just checked it out, Biggs warns Luke that there is a good chance the Empire will come along and take his uncles farm, leaving Owen a mere tendant. And Luke tells Biggs that he will be joining the academy soon, and that he wont let the Empire draft him into the Imperial Starfleet. The OT, at least the first SW film, gives off plenty of hints that the Empire is oppressive and meddles in peoples lives, taking their property and good to advance the Empire, and taking their children to fight their battles.
The PT waters all this down, and suddenly stormtroopers are lousy clones that nobody cares about. Lame way to make the series seemingly less violent.
TheBoost said:
Vaderisnothayden said:
They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?
Who was dressed to look like an idiot? I admit Padme's Queen get-ups were a bit over the top (although IMHO not outrageously so), but seriously, who looked like an idiot? Even Jar Jar just had a vest and leather pants.
Vaderisnohayden just really hates the PT to such an extent, you'd be hard pressed to get him to agree that there is even the tiniest bit of good in them. Don't worry about it.
As for my comment on the ships in the OT not reflecting what we saw in the PT. I know we only saw the Empire and the Rebels in the OT for the most part, but here we have the Rebels who are using old junky ships, whatever they can get their hands on, and we see nothing from the PT whatsoever. Fine, let's just assume they didn't happen upon any Old Republic vessels or ships from Naboo. Now let's consider how we see lots of ships in the PT that are not and none of them are ships from the OT. Not a one (save for the Tantive IV, but why not see more ships like this? Why is this the first Corellian vessel we see in the whole PT? Kind of odd huh? Are we to assume that none of the junky old ships the Rebels get there hands on were around during the days of the PT? They must all be fairly new hunks of junk made within the last 20 years. Just retarded if you ask me.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
TheBoost said:Vaderisnothayden said:They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?
Who was dressed to look like an idiot? I admit Padme's Queen get-ups were a bit over the top (although IMHO not outrageously so), but seriously, who looked like an idiot? Even Jar Jar just had a vest and leather pants.
There were a lot more characters than just Padme and Jar Jar. Take a look at some of the outfits worn by minor characters. And Padme did look like an idiot.
C3PX said:Vaderisnohayden just really hates the PT to such an extent, you'd be hard pressed to get him to agree that there is even the tiniest bit of good in them. Don't worry about it.
You really like stereotyping me, don't you? Your statement is patently false. I have often stated positive feelings toward TPM and toward Neeson's performance in particular. I have no trouble admitting there is good in the prequels where there actually is good. But I'm not going to go suddenly saying some aspect is good when it's not just because you think it is.
The PT waters all this down, and suddenly stormtroopers are lousy clones that nobody cares about. Lame way to make the series seemingly less violent.
The stormtroopers were already established as being clones in Star Wars Official Poster Monthly back in the late 70s.
Vaderisnothayden said:TheBoost said:Vaderisnothayden said:They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?
Who was dressed to look like an idiot? I admit Padme's Queen get-ups were a bit over the top (although IMHO not outrageously so), but seriously, who looked like an idiot? Even Jar Jar just had a vest and leather pants.
There were a lot more characters than just Padme and Jar Jar. Take a look at some of the outfits worn by minor characters. And Padme did look like an idiot.
Seriously... who?? The Jedi all had uniforms. The people on Tatoinne matched the OT pretty well. The Naboo were all richly dressed, but idiots? I don't see why. Are we talking background members of the sentate? The Nemoidians? Who???? Do I need to look frame by frame to find what you find so objectionable?
Yes please do look frame by frame. Or better yet, look up the film on wookieepedia and go through the list of characters. All characters who appear, no matter how minor, have an effect on the feel and are relevant when judging the mentality.
Padme's royal outfits and the outfits of the other queens of Naboo are a classic example of the problem. Note that outfits includes hairstyles and makeup. And just because there were senators doesn't mean they all had to be in ornate robes. In ESB we met a showy city administrator (Lando) , but he didn't feel the need to dress up in silly robes or way overdone getup. Take a look at the ROTS deleted scenes of the senators trying to start the rebellion for some outfits.
Vaderisnothayden said:In ESB we met a showy city administrator (Lando) , but he didn't feel the need to dress up in silly robes or way overdone getup
He was wearing a bloody cape for cripes sakes!!!
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
So what. Hardly particularly extreme. Nothing next to some of the outfits that turn up in the prequels.
If you are going to make the same outlandish claims over and over can you at least back them up? People may agree with you if they actually understand what you referring to.
C3PX said:Vaderisnothayden said:In ESB we met a showy city administrator (Lando) , but he didn't feel the need to dress up in silly robes or way overdone getup
He was wearing a bloody cape for cripes sakes!!!
I almost fell off my chair lolling.