PROMETHEUS was (Alien 0?) NOW NO LONGER SPOILER FREE. — Page 21

Radiant, cool, crazy nightmare

Zen New Jersey nowhere

How now, brown bureaucrat?

Has this been brought up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

Yeah but wow.

I suppose we will have to await the extended version and deleted scenes before we can talk fan-edits but I've already got a number of ideas.

I guess it will need a dedicated thread though.

Maybe not just Space Jesus but Space Cronus, Space Krishna and Space Buddha too.

There are a lot of clues to the Space Jesus angle there's no denying that. 

There is a lot made in the opening of David learning the most up to date interpretation of Vedic languages.

The proto-Greek deities like Uranus the sky/water god (he of the exploding testicles springing forth life from water) is directly related to the Hindu God Varuna.

Those guys acted much like the Engineers and had weapons like the Brahmastra which could destroy all life where it was aimed (it was a bow).

^this one is operated by a flute

and they have to wear an elephant mask

Buddhism is another Hindu offshoot.

It is highly probable Christianity is as much related to Buddhism as it is Judaism.

The Greeks and the Jews both have a woman as the vehicle of man's fall.

With the Greeks it's a jar which is delivered with Pandora to Epimetheus his brother was Prometheus.

All this stuff is up there on screen and it's wonderful.

Sadly the story (the things that actually happen on screen) is utter Mission To Mars style bobbins and so hacked about it feels like half of it is missing. 

The Christian allusions are just as gaudy (the christmas tree, the cross, the cruciform self sacrifice of Holloway, the cruciform alien mural, the literally poisoned chalice, the serpent etc) but they are just design motifs not actual plot motifs.

greenpenguino said:

xhonzi said:

 

greenpenguino said:

Prometheus is about Space-Jesus????

Pfft... That's Bollocks.

Bingowings said:

There are a lot of clues to the Space Jesus angle there's no denying that.

I see no way it's not about Space-Jesus. (Is the "Space-" prepend really necessary? Hasn't Jesus always been from Space/Heaven?)

greenpenguino said:

You might as well say that the film is about the space-french because there's a spaceship that looks like a croissant and there's of people running away from things.

Well done.

 

Monsieur Voldémort ou l'espace-Jockéy said:

Hawr Hawr! Iz true, no?

Marcus Cole says :

Who knew they were French?...Sorry...

   Saw it. Liked it.

    I would have shamelessly done the 'Out of oxygen, choking, staggering, barely crawling in' thing.

    I would have shamelessly done the 'Chick unleashes hell on the monster and gets caught up with it' thing, as well :)

Bingowings said:

I suppose we will have to await the extended version and deleted scenes before we can talk fan-edits but I've already got a number of ideas.

I guess it will need a dedicated thread though.

wait for the sequel I guess. And then two become one.

I'm not a religious person, so religious allegories and symbolism mean nothing to me.

In film class, a teacher would point out during a movie, "Note the Christ-like imagery," and I would just shrug while teacher oohed and ahhed.

It just seems lazy to me; a crutch.  A director's story isn't strong enough on its own, so let's invoke Jesus.  That makes it deep.

If I wanted to watch a movie about Jesus, I'd watch Passion of the Christ or something.

I hope this post doesn't offend anyone; it's not intended as such.

For about two thousand years people have told the Jesus story straight (or with a non-canonical twist that usually ended in horrific deaths for the storytellers) and people still do very un-Jesusy things in the name of Christ (I have to hurry typing this because I'm castrating school girls for Gandhi around teatime).

So films which use Christian motifs and act as Christian allegory are fine by me (if it helps just one person get the message of "How great it would be to be nice to people for a change" it would be worth it) but they have to be solidly constructed beyond the decorative/illustrative features.

Alien was ripe with Jungian and Freudian allusions (sex and death mostly, what with Giger being around) but it was a tone setting overlay for a simple story told well.

Prometheus is a very simple story which should be easy enough to tell seeing as it has already been told in the series (AVP1) with a degree of success (despite the griping of fanboys) but this time it isn't told well enough to support the sort of dense imagery and allusions it's trying to co-exist with.

It's all fancy icing and no cake. 

Well they were too as has been pointed out before.

The Space Jesus thing however comes straight from Ridley and the unscientific announcements of carbon dating and the Christmas tree etc are surviving remnants to that strand of of the film's backstory.

The Greek and Vedic influences are probably more palatable to Western audiences because they aren't so embedded in the cultural dermis.

timdiggerm said:

What if the allusions had been to ancient myths or some other religion?

I don't really like that either.  That engineer sacrificing himself at the beginning is probably supposed to be a reference to Prometheus; again, that doesn't really do anything for me.

I also hate TV shows that rely on pop culture references for humor.  (Family Guy)  I wonder if there's a connection.