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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7? — Page 3

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darklordoftech said:

WedgeCyan said:

CO said:

Darth Vader Ghost or The Emperor ghost.  I love these 2 bad guys, but lets have a an original bad guy (they can still be a Sith). 

 I'd like to take this one step further and say I don't want to see the Emperor at all (no clone/resurrection Legends BS) or Darth Vader at all (as the newest rumors claim).

I'd like to take this yet another step further and say that I don't want to see Sith at all. How is another Sith "new"?

 What if they call him "Darth New"?

JEDIT: *mental note* consider Darth New for ROTR Vader

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Trained-from-birth Jedi or any of the prequel Jedi rules. 

If Plagueis shows up in the ST, not only will I refuse to watch the movies, but I won't so much as watch the trailers, either. - DuracellEnergizer

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I don't necessarily care about the colors of lightsabers themselves, but I'm tired of all bad guys having red lightsabers, and especially tired of them all being named "Darth", I don't know what the EU says, but in Star Wars Darth just seemed like Vader's first name, but now it's an official bad guy title. I'm just glad the prequels never directly commented on the red lightsaber, because i remember in a behind the scenes interview for Ep. II Sam Jackson was chatting with Lucas about lightsaber colors and George said, "Well, good guys are green and blue, and bad guys are red..." 

He should pay the price for his lack of vision.

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darklordoftech said:

Trained-from-birth Jedi

 What's wrong with that?

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^If an organization's in charge instead of parents/other guardians, it smacks too much of brainwashing.

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gizzy2000 said:

I don't necessarily care about the colors of lightsabers themselves, but I'm tired of all bad guys having red lightsabers, and especially tired of them all being named "Darth", I don't know what the EU says, but in Star Wars Darth just seemed like Vader's first name, but now it's an official bad guy title. I'm just glad the prequels never directly commented on the red lightsaber, because i remember in a behind the scenes interview for Ep. II Sam Jackson was chatting with Lucas about lightsaber colors and George said, "Well, good guys are green and blue, and bad guys are red..." 

He should pay the price for his lack of vision.

For someone who's studied anthropology and been exposed to the cultural ideas of various peoples around the globe, Lucas seems deadset against moving beyond the tired tropes and cliches of the western world.

Here's hoping Episode VII and the the following sequels will evolve the universe beyond George's lame "black hats, white hats" vision.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

^If an organization's in charge instead of parents/other guardians, it smacks too much of brainwashing.

That, plus if any of the Jedi-raised babies grow up to want to be a Dark Jedi, they'll have all the training that they need to become one.

If Plagueis shows up in the ST, not only will I refuse to watch the movies, but I won't so much as watch the trailers, either. - DuracellEnergizer

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darklordoftech said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

^If an organization's in charge instead of parents/other guardians, it smacks too much of brainwashing.

That, plus if any of the Jedi-raised babies grow up to want to be a Dark Jedi, they'll have all the training that they need to become one.

 I don't think we'll have to worry about seeing Luke train 8 year old Jedi. Pretty much everyone has disregarded all the prequel stuff where 5 year olds learn how to use lightsabers, even in the EU (or at least the EU before the prequels completely seeped into the OT). I remember a video game called Jedi Academy where a group of 20 or so young adults were flying to Luke's temple to start their training, and there wasn't a single 5 year old among them. I remember laughing at the Phantom Menace when Sam Jackson said, "he [Anakin] is too old" for the training. It's like Lucas wanted to parallel Anakin and Luke, but didn't realize that you can't parallel a 20 year old and an 8 year old; and also, the idea that an 8 year old is above the age limit for Jedi training is absurd since in the OT Yoda made clear that Jedi training is about discipline and maturity, and I doubt an 8 year old is too mature. 

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Ah, well, the Jedi Order of the PT is a cult, and cults definately like getting them when they're young and impressionable.

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I hope the new minor characters have cool names again, like Biggs Darklighter or Boba Fett or Max Rebo. I feel like as time went on all the background characters started getting completely stupid sounding names, like how they changed Walrus Man's name to "Ponda Baba". Here's a few from wookieepedia:

Even Piell, Kit Fisto, Yarael Poof... Who the f#ck came up with these names? Anyway, I hope the characters in the ST have less hilarious sounding names that don't make me cringe with embarrassment every time I see someone write them in a comment.


Also, I have to get these names from Wikipedia because I'm a Star Wars fan in a sense that I love the OT movies, and I like the history of how the films were made, but I have almost no knowledge of the EU, which means if they didn't say the character's name in the movie, I probably don't know it. I know a few of the OT character's names just because I grew up with the movies and some of my friends told me. There's also the characters like Wolfman and Walrus Man who everyone knows by those names.

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gizzy2000 said:

I don't know what the EU says, but in Star Wars Darth just seemed like Vader's first name, but now it's an official bad guy title. 

 Hey now, don't go blaming the EU for that.  That was all Lucas circa Episode 1.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Ah, well, the Jedi Order of the PT is a cult, and cults definately like getting them when they're young and impressionable.

 Just one more thing wrong with the prequels.  ;)

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gizzy2000 said:

I hope the new minor characters have cool names again, like Biggs Darklighter or Boba Fett or Max Rebo. I feel like as time went on all the background characters started getting completely stupid sounding names, like how they changed Walrus Man's name to "Ponda Baba".

"Walrus man" is more of a descriptor than an in-universe name, so I don't really think they "changed" it, but whatever.

Even Piell, Kit Fisto, Yarael Poof... Who the f#ck came up with these names?

You forgot my personal favourite -- Elan Sleazebaggano.

 

There's also the characters like Wolfman and Walrus Man who everyone knows by those names.

Truth be told, I except for "Wolfman" and "Hammerhead", I was ignorant of all those cantina aliens' informal names for years. It's only relatively recently I learned most of them.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

gizzy2000 said:

I hope the new minor characters have cool names again, like Biggs Darklighter or Boba Fett or Max Rebo. I feel like as time went on all the background characters started getting completely stupid sounding names, like how they changed Walrus Man's name to "Ponda Baba".

"Walrus man" is more of a descriptor than an in-universe name, so I don't really think they "changed" it, but whatever.

 Well, back in the early days of Star Wars toys, they sold his figure at toy stores, and the box said "Walrus Man". I'm not sure when they gave him a name, but my point is that pretty much all the characters who didn't have a name when the OT came out (regardless of whether it's said on screen or not) ended up getting completely weird names, and I do think it was the prequels that started this. It's almost like george randomly mixed up letters and took whatever word he got and made it a name. Like Gloomu Poognu, Ghorbon Moogufu, Lumon Klagnon...

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gizzy2000 said:

my point is that pretty much all the characters who didn't have a name when the OT came out (regardless of whether it's said on screen or not) ended up getting completely weird names, and I do think it was the prequels that started this.

The PT may have kicked the stupid naming convention into overdrive, but stupid Star Wars names were being used long before TPM was released. According to Wookieepedia, the name "Ponda Baba" originates from the first edition of Galaxy Guide 1: A New Hope, which was published in '89.

Hell, if you really wanna be brutally honest, "Mon Mothma", "Salacious Crumb", and "Porkins" are all stupid names, too, and they all come from the OT.

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You want to tell him he's got a stupid name? ;)

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Hell, if you really wanna be brutally honest, "Mon Mothma", "Salacious Crumb", and "Porkins" are all stupid names, too, and they all come from the OT.

Salacious Crumb is a shitty name but it perfectly fits that shitty character, which makes it possibly my all time favorite minor SW character name.

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moviefreakedmind said: I'd love to see them blatantly contradict the prequels in the ST.

What I'd love even more would be the irony of the Sith (a prequel concept) being kept out of the ST by another prequel concept (the prophecy).

If Plagueis shows up in the ST, not only will I refuse to watch the movies, but I won't so much as watch the trailers, either. - DuracellEnergizer

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Tone down the lightsaber battles.  The flipping and somersaulting is nothing more than foolish flamboyance.

If Jedi are who Lucas says they are, they should understand the concept of economy of movement.

Related to this, dont use too many Jedi.  Yes you can have too many.  Refer to the PT.

Dont create massive bustling metropolis.  

Dont try to create logical parallels between that galaxy and ours.  I just about lost it when Obi Wan visited an old friend at a 50s style diner.  The nightclub was also ridiculous.  I could have sworn I saw taxis in the PT.  When Padme and Anakin escaped to a hidden location it reminded of some fancy mountain vacation resort.  

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Like Star Wars didn't have parallels to the real world in it. ;)

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SilverWook said:

Like Star Wars didn't have parallels to the real world in it. ;)

 It did but they were parallels to a long ago time and place.  Hence, the opening line "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away".  The PT had a very real connection to modern society.

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I don't want a scene describing that there is no light side or dark side its really only how the living interpret the force, aka the difference between the living force and the cosmic force.

Nor do i want Palpatine in episode VII having cheated death through some Sith trick taught by his master.

"Luke Skywalker did not kill me i manipulated midi chlorians to survive."

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I know it is too stupid to happen but Jar Jar's son as a Jedi apprentice in Luke's Jedi Academy. 

Luke having a long lost half sibling, Kenobi's daughter, all like bad fan fiction.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I'd prefer they take the series in a whole new direction, but I know that won't be the case. The bad guys who controlled the far, far away galaxy are defeated. Retreading that doesn't sound like much fun, but I know there will be Sith as the antagonists even if I don't want them there. Absolutely no evil Force ghosts of Vader or Palpatine though. They better be gone.

No Empire. That's the biggest issue to me. These movies take place 30 years after the originals. Seeing Stormtroopers or anything of the sort should be out of the question.

Bounty Hunters are okay, but absolutely no Boba Fett.

Lesser things I would like to see dropped: 

Tatooine despite it showing up in the preview material. This allegedly remote insignificant planet has been in five movies. Luke was sick of it. I am too. There better be a really good reason to see it again.

The Hutts. Ties into the Tatooine bit. No need to see them again. If they show us another big slug alien I would hope its in a new location and not a laughing evil Jabba clone or offspring.

No Ewoks either!

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pablumatic said:

No Empire. That's the biggest issue to me. These movies take place 30 years after the originals. Seeing Stormtroopers or anything of the sort should be out of the question.

At least the Empire wasn't destroyed onscreen, unlike the Sith.

If Plagueis shows up in the ST, not only will I refuse to watch the movies, but I won't so much as watch the trailers, either. - DuracellEnergizer