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Great points, CO and Palpatine.

And I'd like to say, I think we forced Go-Mer into a corner with his line "it's not my fault I was banned on four different sites." With that track record, I'm surprised that he's allowed to sign up anywhere. (I know it doesn't work that way though.)

CO and Palpatine's points were great. There are sites for every kind of fan, and this is for OUT fans, and is a laid back community. Until Gomer showed up, and changed the entire General Discussion Thread in 2 months. Now if that's not trolling, I ask you what is.
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Well, starting a thread to discuss another member of the forum in a negative way is considered trolling.
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Heh heh heh...

Banned from FOUR other message boards, Gomer......my, my......I'm sure that's just a result of simply stating your opinion, right? I know you agree, so spare me your retort.

Take the hint, Gomer....buzz off. Or the inevitable will happen...again.
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I guess if it's inevitable, I just don't see the point in worrying about it.
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Gomer, there are two things I think you are missing the point on SW message boards:

1. Thinking George Lucas reads this shit. If you are here to defend ol Georgie cause you think it will hurt our cause, I think you are wasting your time. George Lucas doesn't read message boards, nor do 90% of SW fans either. I am the only one of my SW friends who post on message boards, and they think I am a little wacky for talking about movies that essentially done with via May 2005. They have moved on and just love what they love of the SW universe, and sure we still talk and analyze, but that is all it is. What we say here has no barring on whether the O-OT will be anamorphic next time, cause I find it very hard that George Lucas clicks on TFN & OT.com every night and thinks, "What are they saying about me now?"

Most artists or athletes or even actors, don't read this stuff for a reason, they don't want to know. I live in an area with a very popular sports talk radio and all day it is constant bitching and whining by callers on whether my sports team suck or not. And numerous athletes have said in interviews that they don't listen cause they just don't want to hear it. The reason the O-OT got put on DVD was partly cause of this site, but not the message board part, but just the petition and letters and emails the fans wrote in during the years, and Lucas finally gave in. Superman II (Donnor Cut) is coming out on DVD in 2 weeks because of the same campaign by fans who always wanted it, but not because the Superman Message Boards said, "Fuck Richard Lester, we want the Donnor cut!!!!"

2. Changing Peoples Opinion- I hate to break it to ya Gomer, you aint changin anyones opinion. People have their views of the 6 movies, and I have rarely seen someone do a 180 after an explanation and say, "You're right, TPM is great!"

The PT are movies just like anyone else, and it comes down to whether you like them or not, and no new defending of Lucas or rationalizing the turn is going to convince anyone now, the movies are over with, everyone has watched them once or a couple of times, or even 10 times, and made their judgement. The reason this won't change over the years like other movies like Shawshank Redemption, which tanked and is now a classic, is because people saw these movies opening night, they saw them on DVD, they waited for these movies for years, so it is not like someone here just discovered the PT movies and still has to watch them. I didn't see Shawshank til 1999, and what a movie I missed for 5 years, but I saw the PT movies opening weekend, big difference.

I don't know what to tell you Gomer, but for me I just come here to talk to fans of my ilk, and that is what I like, and as I said earlier, if it is boring, then goto ORS, that is a site with good fireworks. Sometimes people just want to talk with fans who love the O-OT and thats it, and in the same vein bitch about the PT and how good it could have been, without anyone telling me it was great, and how great the SE are. Message to you Gomer, if I loved the PT and SE, I wouldn't be fighting for the fricking O-OT so damn hard, so can you understand what I love and what I dont'?
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Originally posted by: CO
Gomer, there are two things I think you are missing the point on SW message boards:

1. Thinking George Lucas reads this shit. If you are here to defend ol Georgie cause you think it will hurt our cause, I think you are wasting your time. George Lucas doesn't read message boards, nor do 90% of SW fans either. I am the only one of my SW friends who post on message boards, and they think I am a little wacky for talking about movies that essentially done with via May 2005. They have moved on and just love what they love of the SW universe, and sure we still talk and analyze, but that is all it is. What we say here has no barring on whether the O-OT will be anamorphic next time, cause I find it very hard that George Lucas clicks on TFN & OT.com every night and thinks, "What are they saying about me now?"

Most artists or athletes or even actors, don't read this stuff for a reason, they don't want to know. I live in an area with a very popular sports talk radio and all day it is constant bitching and whining by callers on whether my sports team suck or not. And numerous athletes have said in interviews that they don't listen cause they just don't want to hear it. The reason the O-OT got put on DVD was partly cause of this site, but not the message board part, but just the petition and letters and emails the fans wrote in during the years, and Lucas finally gave in. Superman II (Donnor Cut) is coming out on DVD in 2 weeks because of the same campaign by fans who always wanted it, but not because the Superman Message Boards said, "Fuck Richard Lester, we want the Donnor cut!!!!"

2. Changing Peoples Opinion- I hate to break it to ya Gomer, you aint changin anyones opinion. People have their views of the 6 movies, and I have rarely seen someone do a 180 after an explanation and say, "You're right, TPM is great!"

The PT are movies just like anyone else, and it comes down to whether you like them or not, and no new defending of Lucas or rationalizing the turn is going to convince anyone now, the movies are over with, everyone has watched them once or a couple of times, or even 10 times, and made their judgement. The reason this won't change over the years like other movies like Shawshank Redemption, which tanked and is now a classic, is because people saw these movies opening night, they saw them on DVD, they waited for these movies for years, so it is not like someone here just discovered the PT movies and still has to watch them. I didn't see Shawshank til 1999, and what a movie I missed for 5 years, but I saw the PT movies opening weekend, big difference.

I don't know what to tell you Gomer, but for me I just come here to talk to fans of my ilk, and that is what I like, and as I said earlier, if it is boring, then goto ORS, that is a site with good fireworks. Sometimes people just want to talk with fans who love the O-OT and thats it, and in the same vein bitch about the PT and how good it could have been, without anyone telling me it was great, and how great the SE are. Message to you Gomer, if I loved the PT and SE, I wouldn't be fighting for the fricking O-OT so damn hard, so can you understand what I love and what I dont'?



Wonderfully said CO. You're a very logical thinker, I must say.

But all that typing won't get through to Gomer. It goes in one ear and out the other. Or bounces off at the retina. He'll never listen to any of this, sadly.
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1) I don't post here hoping Lucas will read it.

2) I am actually for Lucas releasing the O-OT in a higher quality, because I don't fault people for only liking the O-OT and would hope that all SW fans would be able to enjoy as much or as little Star Wars as they would like to.

3) If someone happens to think better of the SE's or Prequels because of something I've said, that's great. But I'm not particularly holding my breath.

I come here to challenge my own beliefs as much as yours.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Yeah....whatever. I've actually made lots of good points about this.

Yea? Where? All I've seen you do is talk about what a BANE ON THE UNIVERSE'S ASS that Go-Mer is and say you want to keep making topics about him in order to get him banned. That's a "good point" only to six-year-old boys.

I've said many times, he's not a troll for having different opinions, but for derailing every thread to that topic and shoving his opinions on everyone.

Except that he doesn't. That's just your unsubstantiated fantasy. I've pointed out many topics that Go-Mer hasn't derailed or spammed even though they would be PERFECT targets for him, and Go-Mer has pointed out even more such topics. Yet you just casually ignore this.

I am not the kind of guy that bashes people for having different opinions on things like movies.


Except that that's exactly what you're doing while at the same time pretending you're not.

Why do I even bother? Go-Mer has facts on his side. I have facts on mine. You have nothing except yourself and a bunch of people who are willing to agree with you out of hand simply because they don't like different opinions. Me and Go-Mer have presented facts again and again that show your general interpretation of him to be flawed (if not outright wrong) but you never listen. All you do is say, "shut up Go-Mer" again and again. That, if anything, is proof that it is YOU and those like you who are unwilling to listen.

So there's no point to this discussion at all.


For once, we agree on something.

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Lucas is not reading this board, and will never, ever, be aware of anything said here. So, the "don't criticize him or he won't release the old versions" thing doesn't make any sense to me. For whatever reason, I guess I have grown to dread seeing Gomer's name everywhere (sorry dude) seemingly all day, every day. Also, I thought the ORIGINAL trilogy, 77-83, is the particular fetish of this place? I know it's mine. (and I mostly like the fuckin prequels. I'm just sick of hearing about them). A prequel-free zone is a little hard to find on the internets.
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So you no longer view this board as a place to present a case for releasing the O-OT in anamorphic format?

I don't think Lucas himself comes here, but when he shows up at a meeting and asks: Well did the fans like the O-OT on DVD?

And the guy who was in charge of coming here to find out what we had to say tells him that we consider this latest release an insult, and that he's a liar and a cheapskate, and he's just trying to milk the fanbase, I just don't see that leading to Lucas saying: Wow, maybe I should invest more of my time and money into pleasing this section of the fanbase.
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So you're saying that complaining about what we consider to be a shoddy product is bad? That we, as consumers, shouldn't voice our opinions on something we think sucks? That we should just "play nice" in the hopes that we might be able to give our money to them for what we want? Hell, I think bitching about it is much more productive than this LucasFilm employee coming back and saying, "Well, they're all happy with this release. You were right. We didn't need to do any work after all." That's just silly.

As for the topic of this thread, I ended up voting Yes a few days ago, but I think that's just because I was pissed with Go-Mer at the time for not paying attention to my posts and just answering what he wanted to. Now, I've just pretty much sat on the sidelines for the past few days and just noticed how ridiculous this whole thing is. There's one side telling Go-Mer to go away, some with logical arguments and some with flaming. And then Go-Mer defends himself, some of which I agree with and others that just sound pompous and only serve to stir up more crap. Honestly, I don't mind if he stays. What's annoying me more right now is not that every thread has de-evolved into PT arguments, but that every thread has de-evolved into the Go-Mer wars.

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic I don't post here hoping Lucas will read it.

2) I am actually for Lucas releasing the O-OT in a higher quality, because I don't fault people for only liking the O-OT and would hope that all SW fans would be able to enjoy as much or as little Star Wars as they would like to.

3) If someone happens to think better of the SE's or Prequels because of something I've said, that's great. But I'm not particularly holding my breath.

I come here to challenge my own beliefs as much as yours.


Gomer, in an earlier post, you said you want to stop the negativity of George Lucas, cause it is not helping our cause. And my point is that if you think any person of that power reads message boards, do I really need to expound anymore?

What you have failed to realize about the SW message boards is rarely anyone will change their opinion, because it is.......an opinion.

In all honesty I only like talking about the PT with fans who share the same views as me, not because I don't like a good debate, but because it is just interesting to hear someone who grew up with SW, loves the OT, and ends up having the same issues with the PT & SE that I have. In a sense, it is like therapy, and it is interesting to hear someone who was jazzed for the PT, but now they feel it is a big what if. I just don't give a shit to hear that I misunderstood Jar Jar, or I didn't understand the Turn scene, or Anakin was suppose to be a whiner. It is the same with other movies I think are not as good as I thought they should be such as Pearl Harbor, where it was a movie I was jazzed up for in 2001, and came out scratching my head.

I have learned that the SW message boards are for fans to make statements of their views and in a sense it turns out not to be a debate. People just want to hear themselves talk in these PT debates, and I have rarely seen a good discussion where there are good points on both sides, and that is why it is really a waste Gomer, if you think you are going to turn anyone.
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Maybe he found the Anakin turn-on-a-dime scene so convincing, he's sure it can happen here, too!
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Hitting Lucas for not putting the O-OT out on Anamorphic is one thing, hitting him for "milking the fanbase" or "insulting O-OT fans" with this release isn't entirely reasonable. He may not have pulled out all the stops, but it was more than he was willing to do the year before. To me this is less insulting than not putting it on DVD at all.

I'm not suggesting you stop expressing your disatisfaction, I just think you guys could try to be more diplomatic about it is all.

You guys don't have to either. I don't expect you to do it just because I think it would be a good idea.

I just think it's worth working towards.
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Originally posted by: JamesEightBitStar
Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Yeah....whatever. I've actually made lots of good points about this.

Yea? Where? All I've seen you do is talk about what a BANE ON THE UNIVERSE'S ASS that Go-Mer is and say you want to keep making topics about him in order to get him banned. That's a "good point" only to six-year-old boys.

I've said many times, he's not a troll for having different opinions, but for derailing every thread to that topic and shoving his opinions on everyone.

Except that he doesn't. That's just your unsubstantiated fantasy. I've pointed out many topics that Go-Mer hasn't derailed or spammed even though they would be PERFECT targets for him, and Go-Mer has pointed out even more such topics. Yet you just casually ignore this.

I am not the kind of guy that bashes people for having different opinions on things like movies.


Except that that's exactly what you're doing while at the same time pretending you're not.

Why do I even bother? Go-Mer has facts on his side. I have facts on mine. You have nothing except yourself and a bunch of people who are willing to agree with you out of hand simply because they don't like different opinions. Me and Go-Mer have presented facts again and again that show your general interpretation of him to be flawed (if not outright wrong) but you never listen. All you do is say, "shut up Go-Mer" again and again. That, if anything, is proof that it is YOU and those like you who are unwilling to listen.

So there's no point to this discussion at all.


For once, we agree on something.
By any chance...are you Gomer's doppelganger that flames people? It seems like a likely conclusion with that post.

FYI, it's lame and makes you look foolish to take someone's whole post and analyze it sentance by sentance. \

Figure out the facts before you judge others. Here's an excerpt from another post of mine about Gomer.

Originally posted by: Darth_Evil

If anyone watches South Park, you might remember a very funny epsiode called "All About Mormons." In it, Stan meets the new kid on the block, who is mormon. He goes over to the family's house for dinner, and they are all cheery and laid back and no matter what anyone ever says to them, it bounces right off. They act all passive and happy to make people belive in mormonism (which is the stupidest religion on earth next to scientology.) At the end of the episode, Stan stops being friends with the mormon kid, and the kid tells Stan how great it is to be Mormon and that he has all he ever wants, but Stan can go suck his balls. The other kids think that the mormon kid is cool. So, basically the mormon family is getting South Park to convert to mormonism just by flaunting it all over the place, not telling people to be mormons or being mean to them because they are mormons.

Sound a bit like Go-Mer, doesn't it?

Go-Mer, you have not once told someone off for being an OOT fan, or not liking the prequels. But every time we express our views, you flaunt your love of all things Lucas in our face, just like the mormon family on south park. And then you try and say everyone should be able to have the best version of version of the film they prefer. But you don't really believe it. You're just trying to convert us by acting all calm and cool and trying to make us think being a "saga" fan will make us all happy and cool.

If you still don't get it, Go-Mer just pretends to care about the OOT preservation. He acts like he's on our side, while at the other time singing the praises of Lucas. These things totally contradict each other, and he tries to pass that off by saying he respects everyone's opinions. And he's never outright put down someone for liking the OOT, but that is his strategy. And with each and every last post he makes he is proving my point.


THIS IS TROLLING. The only possible way you cannot see this is if you are actually Gomer's doppelganger, like I suggested above. No one on this board is bashing Gomer simply because he has different opinions then me. I want him gone for my reasoning in the above excerpt, and for facts that others have brought up. He has gotten rid of the fun of this site. It used to be a laid back place with everyone getting along for the most part, and where we could chat with people sharing our views. Yes, I do get annoyed with Gomer having different views. But I can tolerate it if he would just be a normal member, instead of posting 24/7 and trolling like he is. I liked this site much better when everyone was on the same page.

And have you noticed that I'm not the only one expressing dislike for him? Why don't you flame the others disliking him. Why not do that? Do the others have longer posts, thus, better points? Well if this post isn't long enough for you, then I don't know what is.

You're acting totally childish, singling me out and flaming me, when at least twenty other posters have expressed similar contempt on this thread alone.

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Honestly, Go-Mer's persistence in posting here is not unlike a pushy mother trying to get her daughter into the BOY Scouts.

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Yeah, but it's not like it either.

Yeah, I admit it. I do like Lucas and think he gets a bad rap. I do try and defend him when I think people are possibly mistaken.

I just don't see that as trolling.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Heh heh heh...

Banned from FOUR other message boards, Gomer......my, my......I'm sure that's just a result of simply stating your opinion, right? I know you agree, so spare me your retort.

Take the hint, Gomer....buzz off. Or the inevitable will happen...again.


What a track record. What happens after the fifth, you get a free toaster or droid?
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There is no doubt that this site has become choked by posts from Go-Mer-Tonic. If it was my site, I would have banned you for that alone. But it's not, and untill the number of visits a day drops to the point where the revenue stream dwindles to making the site unprofitable, I guess the site owners are happy for the focus to shift from the OT to Go-Mer.

I used to like popping in each day to see what OT discussion may be taking place, by a bunch of people that happened to share some sort of love of the OT. Maybe the chance to learn something new about the OT that I hadn't read before, or even something that explains some point in the PT that helps me enjoy that mess just a little better. Not everyone agreed with stuff. They usually said their piece, maybe had some sparring back and forth in that relevant thread, and other threads continued on as normal.

Now almost everytime I log in here, the last post on multiple threads is by Go-Mer....and my interest in wading through his shit just evaporates, and I log out of the forum and go somewhere else on the 'net. I have no doubt that you should be banned, as you are indeed sucking the life out of this forum. I'm not sure if that is your intention, but the posts you make and the sheer number of them, mean that you have become the theme of the site.

Congratulations.

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Gomer, you get that quote out of your signature. It's completely out of context and you have no right to put my quotes in your signature. I was not talking about you when I wrote it. Get it out of your signature. This is the most personal attack either side of the camp has attempted so far.
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MeBeJedi has a Go-Mer post in his signature. Just thought I'd point that out.

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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
By any chance...are you Gomer's doppelganger that flames people? It seems like a likely conclusion with that post.

So anyone who disagrees with you is "flaming" you now?

Just look at my date of registration--2004, a year and eight months before Go-Mer ever reared his head, and yet just because I agree with him, you're trying to lop me in with him. That hurts your case more than anything.

FYI, it's lame and makes you look foolish to take someone's whole post and analyze it sentance by sentance. \

If you can't come up with a real counterpoint, just say so. Trying to worm your way out with these made-up rules only makes you look weak.

Figure out the facts before you judge others. Here's an excerpt from another post of mine about Gomer.

Originally posted by: Darth_Evil

If anyone watches South Park, you might remember a very funny epsiode called "All About Mormons." In it, Stan meets the new kid on the block, who is mormon. He goes over to the family's house for dinner, and they are all cheery and laid back and no matter what anyone ever says to them, it bounces right off. They act all passive and happy to make people belive in mormonism (which is the stupidest religion on earth next to scientology.) At the end of the episode, Stan stops being friends with the mormon kid, and the kid tells Stan how great it is to be Mormon and that he has all he ever wants, but Stan can go suck his balls. The other kids think that the mormon kid is cool. So, basically the mormon family is getting South Park to convert to mormonism just by flaunting it all over the place, not telling people to be mormons or being mean to them because they are mormons.

Sound a bit like Go-Mer, doesn't it?

Go-Mer, you have not once told someone off for being an OOT fan, or not liking the prequels. But every time we express our views, you flaunt your love of all things Lucas in our face, just like the mormon family on south park. And then you try and say everyone should be able to have the best version of version of the film they prefer. But you don't really believe it. You're just trying to convert us by acting all calm and cool and trying to make us think being a "saga" fan will make us all happy and cool.

If you still don't get it, Go-Mer just pretends to care about the OOT preservation. He acts like he's on our side, while at the other time singing the praises of Lucas. These things totally contradict each other, and he tries to pass that off by saying he respects everyone's opinions. And he's never outright put down someone for liking the OOT, but that is his strategy. And with each and every last post he makes he is proving my point.

THIS IS TROLLING.

Going out of your way to flame and provoke a specific poster IS considered trolling on most forums, yes.

And I fail to see what you hoped to gain with your long recap of an analogy that fails on so many points.

What's funny is that the South Park mormon sounds more like YOU. You convert people to anti-Go-Mer-ism simply because you won't stop repeating your made-up stories of Go-Mer's supposed crimes and won't stop talking about how much you hate Go-Mer. All the other Go-Mer critics do is constantly repeat the same things you say--in fact it's almost like they're too uncreative to come up with their own stories so they just use yours. Kind of like alien abduction "victims."

The only possible way you cannot see this is if you are actually Gomer's doppelganger, like I suggested above.


Which will be hard to pull off, considering that doppelgangers don't exist.

I hope you won't mind me emphasizing some words in your next two paragraphs:

No one on this board is bashing Gomer simply because he has different opinions then me. I want him gone for my reasoning in the above excerpt, and for facts that others have brought up. He has gotten rid of the fun of this site. It used to be a laid back place with everyone getting along for the most part, and where we could chat with people sharing our views.

Yes, I do get annoyed with Gomer having different views. But I can tolerate it if he would just be a normal member, instead of posting 24/7 and trolling like he is. I liked this site much better when everyone was on the same page.


Can you say, "caught in a bold-faced contradiction?"

You have as much as ADMITTED that your only beef with Go-Mer is that he's different.

And have you noticed that I'm not the only one expressing dislike for him? Why don't you flame the others disliking him. Why not do that? Do the others have longer posts, thus, better points? Well if this post isn't long enough for you, then I don't know what is.


That you think length equals quality says pretty much everything about the amount of valid logic in your posts.

Why do I single you out? Because of all of Go-Mer's critics, you are the most annoying and persistent. I hate the way you kiss the ass of anyone who agrees with you, whether their points are valid are not. If I were to post tomorrow and link to a webpage made with Netscape Composer that claims Go-Mer is actually an Iraqi Terrorist, you would be showering me with compliments. That's how shallow you are.

What's worse is, you think you're right as long as other people agree with you. That's the same kind of mentality that has consistently held back any sort of intelligent discussion on online forums for as long as the internet has existed (not to mention has resulted in far worse things in real life), and frankly I will fight that mentality wherever I see it.

You're also the most annoying and persistently terrible liar I have ever come across. You constantly claim you don't mind Go-Mer for being different, while at the same time your two most consistent problems with Go-Mer are that A) he posts too much and B) he supports Lucas and the PTs. I don't know what kind of fools you think me and everyone else to be, but anyone can read your posts and see past your lies and realize that ultimately, you only hate Go-Mer for not having the same opinions as you. You can say otherwise all you want, but your words betray your thoughts.

You have consistently failed to bring any sort of facts or evidence into the debate, even though you claim otherwise. I don't know what fantasy world you live on, but on this planet, quoting some post where you compare Go-Mer to a South Park character doesn't count as proof of anything except your ability to draw connections--which isn't much because finding similarities and patterns is a basic aspect of human nature.

You, frankly, don't know how to carry an arguement. You want to prove Go-Mer is such a disruption, and yet you never once have linked to or even named a topic he has disrupted. If Go-Mer is such a disruption, surely there must be dozens of topics he has derailed.... yet you can't produce even one. In fact, the only topics that have ever been "disrupted" were ones where people have entered specifically to flame Go-Mer.

It's not Go-Mer who has the problem--it's you and those like you.

You're acting totally childish, singling me out and flaming me, when at least twenty other posters have expressed similar contempt on this thread alone.


You can blame most of that on time constraints--I'm only online for about four or five hours a day and I don't spend all those hours at a single forum, so I can't be bothered to respond to everyone. That, and I feel Go-Mer is doing a fine enough job defending himself. Really, most of his critics do little more than repeat the same things you say, and those that don't usually come up with something even weaker.

But I've got time tonight, so maybe I'll respond to some of the other guys.

Of course, this is the point where you suddenly do an about-face and say I'm now being childish for fighting with Go-Mer's other critics, right?
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I guess if it's inevitable, I just don't see the point in worrying about it.


I just hope it's worth it to you, man.

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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine

This, then, brings us back to my post about the ten-year rift of Star Wars fandom. My argument was that all fans - OUT, SE, PT, Holiday Special - should have places to go. The impression I got, by the name

ORIGINAL TRILOGY .COM

was that this site was for OUT fans.

There's a fallibility in that.

This topic is happening on the "General Star Wars Discussion" forum. When I go to the forum index, it describes this section thusly:

"General Star Wars Discussion
General discussion about the Star Wars universe."

That's it. Nowhere does it say "OT Only." In fact even before Go-Mer came, most of our topics were about the PT. When I first arrived here in 2004, most of our discussion had nothing to do with the OT and in fact was all about the PT and people speculating on how Lucas was going to resolve certain plot points in the PT.

In fact, the name "originaltrilogy.com" has nothing to do with the forum itself, but simply that this site is a campaign headquarters for the preservation of the original, unaltered versions of the first three Star Wars movies. The forum is not even the main goal or feature of this site--it is purely an accessory.

The idea that originaltrilogy.com is a site strictly for those who don't like the PT and who only want to discuss the original versions of the first three Star Wars films is entirely a modern myth. It was never true. The entire focus of this site is getting the O-OT out on DVD and in the best quality possible. If you support that, you belong here. Go-Mer supports that, so he belongs.

My argument is that it is troll behavior to go to a board whose bias is in obvious conflict with yours and argue for the opposite.


Except for, Go-Mer is not against the O-OT being released on DVD.

This forum was NEVER about bashing the PT or the SEs, in fact there have been many, many members here who have loved both and don't demonize George Lucas--in fact this board's very moderator has a stickied topic right here on this very forum that is titled "please tone down the Lucas bashing." The idea that OT.com is strictly for people who bash the PT, the SEs, and George Lucas is a modern myth, and furthermore seems to be carried particularly by two groups of people: Go-Mer haters, and people who joined the forum quite recently. Frankly, seeing these people who joined last month telling Go-Mer what this board is about is like a Christian going to China and saying you're not really Chinese unless you believe in Jesus.
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Originally posted by: CO

Gomer, in an earlier post, you said you want to stop the negativity of George Lucas, cause it is not helping our cause.


He'd be right. Even if Lucas himself doesn't read these forums, others do. Large companies monitor the fan communities because it helps them make marketting decisions. Other fan communities also monitor us, and frankly, originaltrilogy.com isn't taken very seriously.

After seeing a bunch of people make sexual innuendos about George Lucas, despite the forum's owner specifically asking us to tone down the Lucas-bashing, I can see why.

Seriously, we come off as a ground of angry nerds who will never be satisfied. Lucas could read about us and be saying to himself, "I could release the O-OT in higher-than-high definition, with a digital remastery that totally surpasses everything, and including every concievable special feature imaginable, and on top of that, give it away for free to anyone who asks... and these guys would still hate my guts. So why bother?"