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Originally posted by: JamesEightBitStar
The guy I described was 10x worse than Go-Mer. People call Go-Mer a Lucas suckup, but this other guy would literally CUSS YOU OUT if you didn't like the PT or the SEs. And he posted much more than Go-Mer did. And again, he didn't get half the reaction that Go-Mer is getting now.


So, are you trying to imply that a person who overtly acts like a troll is somehow worse than an individual who has been stringing users on other message boards along for years? Have you bothered to run a Google search on this guy? Jesus, it's horrible. I just tried looking through more of his posts, and I am frankly surprised those places let him get away with his behaviour for so long. Yeah, I bet you will keep responding to him. You only make it worse when you give in. I've seen this type of behaviour before. There was a guy who used to post over at the StarTrek.com forums, who would sign in, be as sweet as a button to every user. He would post in one forum only, and the topic would always go around to political discussions. He would derail threads all the time. You couldn't speak ill of the Republicans or he would engage you in long, rambling debates that got completely away from the subject at hand. That poster was banned many times, and he still kept coming back. I believe Go-Mer is similar in a way. He doesn't realize that this is ORIGINALTRILOGY.com. When you come on praising the prequels, putting George Lucas on a pedestal and completely changing topics to redundancy over and over again, there's a definite problem. That's all I'm going to say on this.

Edit for post below: Really.
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If -only- that was all you were going to say on this.

You guys must be pretty sick of reading my posts to actually look more of them up on Google.
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits

Have you bothered to run a Google search on this guy? Jesus, it's horrible. I just tried looking through more of his posts, and I am frankly surprised those places let him get away with his behaviour for so long.



Oh my god...you're right. I ran the google search. Quite frankly, it's scary.
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You know what really drove me away from the Star Wars fandom?

The insecure little asstwats who can't handle opposing views.

Many of Gomer's critics (especially Darth_Evil) have failed to make a single intelligent arguement. In fact, most of what I've seen them do is advocate bully tactics ("let's keep making topics about Go-Mer until he gets banned!") and step on their own damn toes.

I mean, who is really mature here, the guy who is keeping his calm and being logical DESPITE BEING UNDER PRESSURE, or the insecure little mid-teens who keep making bad jokes about Go-Mer being homesexual?

I think the arguements speak for themselves.
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Yeah....whatever. I've actually made lots of good points about this. I've said many times, he's not a troll for having different opinions, but for derailing every thread to that topic and shoving his opinions on everyone. James, read my posts before judging me. I am not the kind of guy that bashes people for having different opinions on things like movies. But this IS trolling. He is a classic troll. Read through a whole disscussion Go Mer was on, and you'll see what I mean.

But you know what? I just don't care anymore. This has all gotten rather silly. I can say whatever I want, and it won't shake Gomer, ever. People like JameEight will just think Gomer haters stupid without ever looking at the facts, ever. People who hate him will always hate him. I can't change it. Everyone will have thier own opinions, and no one's will ever change. So there's no point to this discussion at all.
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Well, there's certainly no point for someone who thinks nobody's opinion can change ever.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Well, there's certainly no point for someone who thinks nobody's opinion can change ever.


Will your's change?



The answer is no. Opinions can change in big issues, but this is film and petty arguement. Opinions won't change in something like this. If your a grown man who enjoys the PT, then your opinion will not change. You can't grow out of it. You love it. Your opinion won't change. As kids we can grow out of things, learn that some films are better than other and that fart jokes don't actually qualify as jokes. As adults, we can't.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
-I- am the one who can't "let" others have a differing opinion? I come here for the purposes of -seeking out- different opinions.


I say that you cannot let others have differing opinions for two reasons:

1. Someone will mention a completely off-topic opinion in a given thread as a tangential reason for what they believe and you feel you must directly respond to it almost every time.

2. You frequently misrepresent the opinions of others in absurd ways and you often almost always insinuate offensive things about your debate opponent(s) and then act as if your assumptions are completely obvious fact.

Despite how this behavior of yours derails threads and provokes people, you continue it time after time, and therefore I must conclude that you have no respect for the stated opinions of others. (That and you probably enjoy dominating threads and angering people.)

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
If -only- that was all you were going to say on this.

You guys must be pretty sick of reading my posts to actually look more of them up on Google.


Are you trying to bait me? It's not working.
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Gomer, I think perhaps you would be less "demonized" if you CUT DOWN ON THE AMOUNT THAT YOU FUCKING POST!!!

Seriously. You have a differing viewpoint. Awesome. The world is a diverse place and you are a beautiful and unique snowflake. But you would find that people would dislike you less if you didn't try to cram that viewpoint down everyone's throats by constantly posting in every thread.

Sure, you feel the need to defend yourself. But you wouldn't need to if you would go about posting more sensably. Don't respond to everything. All you do by doing that is fan flames, get everyone riled up so they attack you further, which you feel you need to defend against, and so on and so on. Your holier than thou attitude during your defensive posts does nothing to defuse these situations.

Unless, of course, you are indeed a troll. Given your posting history here (and on other boards), I'm growing more and more inclined to believe that.
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I'm not going to leave or silence myself just because some of you can't handle an alternate point of view.

Trying to silence me as this thread is attempting to do -is- an attempt to censor my opinion. You guys are trying to take my right to express my own opinions away, just because you don't like hearing it. Disagreeing with someone else's point of view is not in any way trying to take their right to an opinion away from them. It's merely offering another point of view. I do respect the people I debate with, even the wonderful people who have made it a mission of their life to get me banned at every Star Wars board I have frequented.

On the other hand, just about everyone here has had -no- problem disrespecting my point of view. Saying I want to have gay sex with Lucas. Saying that I am flat out wrong for holding the opinions I have, and generally insulting me for not having a problem with the Star Wars saga.

So if I have to go for "insinuating" disrespect, shouldn't all of you be banned for doing it outright?

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I'm not saying shut up. I'm saying just tone it down, man! Seriously how would the signal to noise ratio here be altered if I responded to every single one of your posts with something like "The green bunny guy from the old SW comics should have been in all of the movies!"? People would get very quickly annoyed with my bunny-love. If I respected the community I'd cut down on it. Maybe I'd make the odd longer-form post about how awesome he is to spark some CONTAINED discussions. But I certainly wouldn't be doing it in every thread. And not for 666 posts within my first two months of signing up here.

If I didn't respect the community then I'd be a flame-baiting troll and I really just wouldn't care.
George Lucas, October 1979: There are essentially nine films in a series of three trilogies. I have story treatments on all nine.
George Lucas, February 1999: I never had a story for the sequels.
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I think what alot of people here don't understand, is this wasn't the site to bicker back and forth on SW. Now sure it has its threads about the PT & SE, but I always liked coming here for more of a rest of all the bickering that happens at other SW websites, cause this was specific in its goals.

I goto ORS or used to goto TFN to argue and bitch back and forth with gushers and bashers, cause those sites are what they are for SW, but OT.com is more of a relaxed place to talk about our plight as OT fans who want the damn movies put out first, and now put out in great quality.

If it makes it boring here cause there is no bickering, so be it, I find it sort of a relief in that way. I say if you want all out flame wars, sign up for ORS cause that is a fun site to say whatever you want, and nothing ever gets censored. But once Gomer signed up here, I kinda checked out on being a regular here, cause in honesty, you can do the same shit at other websites. So I guess what appealed to me here was there wasn't the usual bullshit petty back and forth arguments, but I still don't think you can ban anyone for free speech. So if it turns out that every thread is the usual back and forth with Gomer, enjoy it guys, cause this site may not be for me anymore.
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I respect the community here and have backed off from time to time.

There are a lot of threads where I don't contest every side point being brought up. Take the "What did the PT need" thread where all I did was talk about something cool that someone could do if they wanted to make their own prequel and sequel trilogy.

There is another thread about dreaming about Star Wars where all I did was talk about dreams I had about all terrain scout walkers (the kind from the classic trilogy mind you).

In one of the threads I have been fairly prevelent in, someone had posted an article for the purpose of calling Lucas a liar, and I defended my point that I think he's just misunderstood. No I did not let that go. I feel strongly about it.

How could I disagree with the venomous negativity a lot of people here have for Lucas and still respect you guys as a community?

I speak out about the negativity because I think it's counter productive to getting Lucas to resonsider his stance for the O-OT. We all saw that making this pettition got him to change his mind about releasing it at all, and unless you guys are giving up, I think we could get him to rethink his stance on cleaning up a new anamorphic transfer.

But I think we have a better chance of making that happen without the incredible amount of disrespect that a lot of us here show Lucas on a daily basis.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I do respect the people I debate with, even the wonderful people who have made it a mission of their life to get me banned at every Star Wars board I have frequented.

You are frelling clueless, aren't you, Go-Mer? If they try to ban you at more than 4 message boards ... I have a news flash for you...


It's YOU that's the problem.

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No it's the people who constantly try and get me banned to no avail who are the problem.

If they would just learn how to accept an opposing view, we wouldn't have ridiculous situations like this thread here.
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Oversaturation is the problem. When I check out the "General Star Wars Discussion" forum, without fail Go-Mer-Tonic has the most recent posts on multiple threads. Does he ever stop?
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Why is this dumb thread not in the off topic section?
If you don't want to read messages of some members just use proxomitron a.k.a. Moth3r's enhancement filter.

I tried this but unfortunately it didn't work for me. I guess I'll have to wait for the new forum software. But the bottom line is that if you don't want to hear from him, then don't engage him. I know it is difficult, but there's a certain point where you just need to stop replying.

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
No it's the people who constantly try and get me banned to no avail who are the problem.

Jesus, Go-Mer, you have a frelling river in Egypt named for you!

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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
No it's the people who constantly try and get me banned to no avail who are the problem.

Jesus, Go-Mer, you have a frelling river in Egypt named for you!
Yeah, well maybe that's because it's a persistantly running river that doesn't go away just because some people would rather there weren't a river.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
So it's okay for you to "go into the heart of the Death Star" of TFN to debate opposing views (something that you call "battling the Dark Side head on") but when I do the same thing by coming here, I am trolling? Where do you get off?


And here, in a nutshell, is why you are disliked. You just claimed I equated free discussion with the Dark Side, which is not what I said. I have equated fans of the Stimulus-Response Trilogy with the Dark Side, since most of them have all the taste of a cardboard popsicle.

If that bothers you or doesn't reflect well on me, I don't care at all. This isn't an important enough issue, globally speaking, to be objective about. Life or death issues demand my objectivity, not entertainment.

You are trolling here because it is a PRO-OUT site. And frankly, I'm trolling on thefarce.net whenever I speak out in favor of the OUT because we are not welcome there. While I do not speak for the administration/moderation team on this site. I personally do not welcome PT/SE fans here. You are intruders. Play in your yard and we'll play in ours. This is what it's come to in SW fandom as I laid out very explicitly in my previous post. But you chose not to address the main idea of my post, since it was more important for you to try and gain the moral high ground by playing the "you're not objective" card on me. As if you yourself are objective. Nobody is.

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I'm just saying if it's okay for you to be subjective, I don't see the problem with me being subjective.

The difference between you and I is I don't have to insult my opposition to state my case.

That's what makes me -not- a troll.

I also don't see why anyone would say that TFN has anything against people who just like the O-OT. They just expect you guys to be able to respect the fact that not everyone will agree with you.

You don't want to do that? I really don't care. But that would be your problem, not mine.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I'm just saying if it's okay for you to be subjective, I don't see the problem with me being subjective.

You've admitted you have a bias. That's good! You've taken your first step into a larger world.

I also don't see why anyone would say that TFN has anything against people who just like the O-OT.


Did you watch Seinfeld, Gomer? There was an episode where George had taken to urinating in the shower at the gym. Elaine thought it was disgusting, George argued that the drain was right there and drainage all runs into the same place. The discussion reached a fever pitch when George was about to call a plumber to try and settle the issue of where shower drainage goes versus where toilet drainage goes. Jerry, quite reasonably, stopped George from placing the call, as it was pointless to go to that kind of trouble to prove a very irrelevant point.

This is where you and I are, Gomer. I could spend lots of time, poring over hundreds of archived pages, using direct quotes, showing where pro-OUT members of thefarce.net were suppressed and the PT fans enjoyed free reign. You could also spend lots of time trying to convince me that my experience isn't what I thought it was, but in either case that is simply precious time spent calling the plumber over nothing at all.

Therefore, I propose the following:

You, Go-Mer-Tonic, agree to accept in good faith that I feel discriminated against at thefarce.net, and I, vote_for_palpatine, will accept in good faith that you feel that we OUT fans can't handle opposing viewpoints. After all, it's in your sig - "Your focus determines your reality."

This, then, brings us back to my post about the ten-year rift of Star Wars fandom. My argument was that all fans - OUT, SE, PT, Holiday Special - should have places to go. The impression I got, by the name


ORIGINAL TRILOGY .COM

was that this site was for OUT fans.

Imagine my surprise and disappointment when I see people on this board who, by their own admitted bias, do not belong here.

My argument is that it is troll behavior to go to a board whose bias is in obvious conflict with yours and argue for the opposite. It's wrong. I don't do it because fans at prequeltrilogy.com don't want to hear me attack their movies and challenge their views. That's a rest area for PT fans, away from the dark doings of us OUT fans.

Gomer, despite your "Poor ol' persecuted me" act, I didn't call for your ban at thefarce.net; you may recall that you and I have had discussions a time or two. It was a civil discussion, you argued well (as you often do) and we both managed to state our case with clarity. (Darth Butt must have been asleep at the switch) You were in your element there and if they banned you, I believe they made a mistake. That board is much more your board than it is mine. However, I don't like that you're selling the same Kool-Aid here that you do there.

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I wish I was insanely rich....I'd offer bribe money to Gomer, just to make him go away...."sigh"....in another lifetime perhaps.....

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.