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Go-mer, you're an idiot.

You posted a quote from 1979 in which GL clearly says that there are 9 films and that he has story treatments on all 9. Twenty years later he changes his mind and says that he never had a story for the sequels. So which is it? In '79 he said he did (it's in your quote), but in '99 he said he didn't.

The proof is in your own post. I think I'll just start quoting you from now on.
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That 1999 statement is prefaced with:
The long-standing perception has been that the complete Star Wars saga is a 9 film cycle, and after Episodes I through III were finished Lucas would move on to Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, resuming where Return of the Jedi had left off. "That's really not part of the plan AT THIS POINT, " he says. "When you see it six parts, you'll understand. It really ends at part six."
When he says he never came up with sequels for the 6 movies as they are now, he's talking about the fact that the story always ended with the Sith being vanquished. Originally, he was planning that resolution to take place in Episode 9, but he decided to cap it all with Episode 6.

In 1999 He's talking about sequels to the story he has now, which ends at episode 6.

Back then; he was talking about that same story taking 9 films.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
That 1999 statement is prefaced with:
The long-standing perception has been that the complete Star Wars saga is a 9 film cycle, and after Episodes I through III were finished Lucas would move on to Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, resuming where Return of the Jedi had left off. "That's really not part of the plan AT THIS POINT, " he says. "When you see it six parts, you'll understand. It really ends at part six."


When he says he never came up with seuqels for the 6 movies as they are now, he's talking about the fact that the story always ended with the Sith being vanquished. Originally, he was planning that resolution to take place in Episode 9, but he decided to cap it all with Episode 6.

In 1999 He's talking about sequels to the story he has now, which ends at episode 6.

Back then, he was talking about that same story taking 9 films.



Go-Mer is the best poster on these boards...
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
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Even though in that other article I've quoted ad nauseum, he said there was another generation gap in between "episodes VI and VII." How convenient to take that out of context. Holy shit, this same argument has been transplanted to this other thread. You know what? I'm sick of this. Everybody just shut the hell up. This whole thing is pissing me off now. My side, stop whining about banning Go-Mer. Go-Mer, stop being a genteel prick. JediRandy... gosh, I don't even know what to say to you anymore.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
That 1999 statement is prefaced with:
The long-standing perception has been that the complete Star Wars saga is a 9 film cycle, and after Episodes I through III were finished Lucas would move on to Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, resuming where Return of the Jedi had left off. "That's really not part of the plan AT THIS POINT, " he says. "When you see it six parts, you'll understand. It really ends at part six."
When he says he never came up with seuqels for the 6 movies as they are now, he's talking about the fact that the story always ended with the Sith being vanquished. Originally, he was planning that resolution to take place in Episode 9, but he decided to cap it all with Episode 6.

In 1999 He's talking about sequels to the story he has now, which ends at episode 6.

Back then, he was talking about that same story taking 9 films.


And yet today he always says it was planned as 6 films. In 1979 he said it was planned as 9 films. That's what we call revisionist history.
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He has -never- once said that it was always 6 films.

It's what's called "seeing what you want to see for the purposes of demonizing Lucas".

In the other article you quoted Gaffer, there would have been another generation gap, but it would have taken that much longer to finaly vanquish the Sith. Sidious would have lasted another 20 or so years.

I know Lucas isn't the best communicator, but just try and see what he is actually talking about here.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
In the other article you quoted Gaffer, there would have been another generation gap, but it would have taken that much longer to finaly vanquish the Sith. Sidious would have lasted another 20 or so years.


Isn't that just speculation on your part, like the kind you're accusing us of?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Seriously, take a look at what he says in the 1999 article. He says that 9 films is not the plan AT THIS POINT.

Does that sound like he's trying to deny he ever had plans for more then 6?
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You guys are gay.

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Is that even what I was saying?! No! Read what I write for once, and read what I quote you on, so you'll have some idea what I'm calling you on, rather than seeing me disagree with you and making up your own reason for me doing so. You claim that the generational gap in between the two trilogies would just draw the same conflict out longer. Where's your proof? How is that any more than speculation on your part? Geez, don't make me write this again.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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You want me to admit that I am speculating? Sure thing.

It's based on what Gary Kurtz said the third trilogy was going to be about. He said that the third trilogy would have involved Luke and the "other" (before the "other" was decided to be Leia) finally vanquishing the Emperor.

So can you address what I was saying?

Because what I'm saying has nothing to do with my speculation. Lucas is saying in that 1999 article, that the 9-story cycle is no longer the plan "AT THIS POINT".

That is not denying that the plan had changed, it's actually acknowledging it.
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The earlier quote says he has story treatments for all nine films. Nowhere does he say that all he's got is an ending of vanquishing the Sith.

It's laughable to think he had enough for nine films when he had to go back and purloin the destruction of the Death Star to even have a story for Return of the Jedi. He had nothing.

I've read the early (horrible) scripts for Star Wars ... and there was only one rousing conclusion. Since he used that for what he rightly thought was going to be the only movie, he had no conclusion for the trilogy that he did have a bunch of junk for ... but no other ending. So he recycled the Death Star destruction.

Considering that he made up all the father, sister, brother, son crap AFTER Star Wars, it would be quite a stretch to say he had any story outlines for 9 movies. But he said it. It's in Go-Mer's quotes of his Lord and Master. Then he goes on to say the exact opposite, albeit decades later.



Which story does he tell you while you blow him, Go-Mer?
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In that 1999 article, he is actually acknowledging that the plan was originally for 9!
The long-standing perception has been that the complete Star Wars saga is a 9 film cycle, and after Episodes I through III were finished Lucas would move on to Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, resuming where Return of the Jedi had left off. "That's really not part of the plan AT THIS POINT, " he says. "When you see it six parts, you'll understand. It really ends at part six."
What was all that about how I'm not facing up to facts when they are presented?
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Can this really be the end of the Star Wars saga?

GEORGE LUCAS: Yes. The series starts with Darth Vader as a young lad and ends with him dying. So I don't know where else I can take it.

Wasn't there talk at one time of three trilogies?

LUCAS: That was created by the media, not by me.
He's just talking about the idea of him having more story to tell after ROTJ being created by the media. In other places he says it's a "media myth". Again he's talking about this in the context of explaining the story as it ended up, not as he was originally thinking about doing it.

You have to keep in mind that at the time of these interviews, there was a lot of speculation about him doing a third trilogy, one of my favorite rumors was that someone was to be carbon frozen in the prequels, to be thawed out in the sequel trilogy.

While I agree he didn't use the best choice of words, I ask you.

What motivation would he possibly have for lying about this?
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He's just talking about the idea of him having more story to tell after ROTJ being created by the media. In other places he says it's a "media myth".



That's reading into a 9 word sentence a little much don't you think?

How am I supposed to know what someone is really thinking if that's not what they are really conveying? I don't read minds, nor do I pretend to.

And what motivations does he have to lie? Well how about to end 20 - 30 years of speculation that was started by a young him.

People lie we can get over it. But people here are just a little frustrated that instead of just telling the truth like "You know what I've spent enough of my adult life on SW, I wanted to make 9 or 12 movies but now I'm over it, I've got nothing left to say" he has to lie and insult the intelligence of fans out there who very much remember what he has said in the past and even have the written proof.

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George Lucas in 1979 – “There are essentially nine films in a series of three trilogies… I have story treatments on all nine.”
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Recent interviewer – “Wasn't there talk at one time of three trilogies?”
George Lucas - “That was created by the media, not by me.”
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Suck on that for a change, Go-Mer.
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
...George L. tells me he gives a fabulous rim job.


Jeewhyen - that is the most vile thing I've ever seen written on a forum. It was uncalled for, over-the-top and disgusting.....




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Ya know, I'm actually very sorry for that remark ... and for others I've recently made in the same vein.

(Oi, you should have seen the one I deleted before posting!)


I'm letting Go-Mer get under my skin, and furthermore allowing myself to jump on the bandwagon of gay-themed allusions to Go-Mer's status of Georgelover, which I myself have found humorous ... but am quite aware that they are rude.



I'll try to refrain from repeats of such tactics. There's no need for Go-Mer to get to me so much; it's only the internet.




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It's all about context.

What purpose would he have for lying about it in the first place, and if he's actually lying about it in that quote, why wouldn't he also lie about it in the quote from Vanity Fair?

I think he is talking about not having more story to tell after ROTJ, and when they then ask him: but wasn't there talk about a third trilogy, he's thinking about a third trilogy in relation to how ROTJ turned out.

In truth he never did come up with a story after the Sith had been vanquished.

Any logical review of the 6 film saga would say that the story started in Episode I ends definatively in ROTJ.

Anything else he could have come up with for a third trilogy would have had to be a brand new situation separate from the 6 film storyline we have now.
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You really must shut the fuck up.

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

one of my favorite rumors was that someone was to be carbon frozen in the prequels, to be thawed out in the sequel trilogy.


... That would actually be a cool idea. Maybe either me or Aural will work it into our fanquels.

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It would be easy to do because the actor would just in theory not age the whole time.

Are you doing a full 9?
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He's just talking about the idea of him having more story to tell after ROTJ being created by the media. In other places he says it's a "media myth". That's reading into a 9 word sentence a little much don't you think? Well it's certainly not taking it at face value.
How am I supposed to know what someone is really thinking if that's not what they are really conveying? I don't read minds, nor do I pretend to.
I think that's reasonable.And what motivations does he have to lie? Well how about to end 20 - 30 years of speculation that was started by a young him.
Couldn't he have just as easily ended it by telling the truth? What's the point of lying?People lie we can get over it. But people here are just a little frustrated that instead of just telling the truth like "You know what I've spent enough of my adult life on SW, I wanted to make 9 or 12 movies but now I'm over it, I've got nothing left to say" he has to lie and insult the intelligence of fans out there who very much remember what he has said in the past and even have the written proof.
People can lie, and also people can be misunderstood, and also people can misspeak. I'll grant you that at face value, he's saying that "talk" of a third trilogy was not done by him, but instead the media. Perhaps you are correct to think Lucas is actually purposely lying here. But at the same time, isn't it possible that Lucas just isn't the smoothest speaker? He gets asked the same questions all the time; he has canned responses to questions about what happens after ROTJ.

In that Vanity Fair article from 1999, he just about says the same thing. That he never came up with ideas for sequels. But when you put it in the context of what comes before it, in that case any way, it seems pretty apparent that he is acknowledging that the plan had changed to 6 films.

So sure, maybe he is lying to you and insulting your intelligence by making contradictory statements at different times.

I'm just saying it's also possible that with the combination of Lucas not being the best public speaker and the way the media tends to present things out of context, maybe he was misunderstood in some of those cases.

Can you really imagine anyone realistically sitting back cackling to themselves: "Mu hu ha ha ha! I said one thing in one interview, then contradicted it in the other one! Take that O-OT enthusiasts!"
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen

(Oi, you should have seen the one I deleted before posting!)


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