Spare me your ivory tower routine. First of all, I expressed a preference - I didn't issue a mandate (I don't own the forum? Crikey!). If expressing a preference is arrogance, than who in fuck's name ISN'T arrogant? Second of all, re-read the passage and say that I think the PT shouldn't be discussed. You have assigned motive to me which doesn't exist, and that's dishonest.
You're right--I misrepresented your stance. Allow me to apologize and rectify it by quoting your original stance:
So? I'd much rather read Jay, Zion, Anchorhead, Gaffer Tape, Darth Evil, CO, Cable X-1, Invader Jenny, Tiptup, and other OUT fans discuss the PT instead of reading Go-Mer-Tonic, Jedi Randy, Stormtrooper 1776, Darth Toe Jam, and other PT fans discuss anything. When I'm in the mood for their opinions, I go elsewhere. At least I used to, before the infection spread.
So... your stance isn't that the PT shouldn't be discussed, but rather it should only be discussed by OUT fans.
However, my original stance still applies. This forum was never meant specifically for OUT fans, but simply for people who want to see the OUT on DVD. Your "preference" doesn't change that.
And by the way, when you start considering another poster a "problem" and outright call Go-Mer a "troll" due to him not fitting your "preferences," that's certainly "issuing a mandate."
Everyone take notes here:
"I'd rather hear from OUT fans here" = mandate
"I don't agree with Go-Mer's perspective on Star Wars" = mandate.
Wow. Some logic.
There was no lyceum. I was mocking the solemnity with which you approach this.
Dude, I don't have a sense of humor.
Yeah, you really needed to make
that clear.
I, for one among many, doubt the sincerity of that support.
Why does
his expressed support mean anything? It costs him nothing to lie.
And it costs nothing for you to doubt him. Fact is, as far as I can see he supports the OUT as much as the next person, and I have never seen anything to show the opposite.
You say pot-ay-to, I say po-tah-to. That's patently obvious by now.
Why on earth would that petition begin here?
Why wouldn't it? The name "originaltrilogy.com" doesn't need to refer only to the 1978-1983 Star Wars films. In fact, I've always interpreted the name itself as simply referring to a specific
edition of those films (See? I can play the interpretations game too!). And since the name is "originaltrilogy" and not "originalclassictrilogy," there's nothing to say that this site can't also work for the original prequel trilogy.
And if we're now getting the original versions of the classic trilogy, I see no reason we shouldn't also campaign for the original versions of the prequels as well, even if they are movies most of us consider lesser-quality.
You are entitled to your interpretation, but I'm not convinced in the correctness of that interpretation.
Then please explain why none of these other PT/SE fans haven't gotten the Gomer treatment. Why is this limited to Go-Mer?
I would suggest it has something to do with the former members having been able to handle opinions different from their own (after all, the other PT lovers I've seen were just as familiar as Go-Mer after a few weeks) and being secure enough as to not feel threatened by someone with different views.
So you're saying that, in the past, there was a different set of members here who were tolerant of PT/SE fans and that's not the case now? I haven't personally seen that (potayto, potahto) and I know Go-Mer's not the only PT/SE fan here. I don't care for the style of Jedi Randy, but there are still other PT/SE fans about. In fact, I like Jumpman's style although his views and mine are often in conflict. IIRC garethxgod (sp?) is also a PT/SE fan, and he's cool. The worst you can say about me is that my tolerance level is 1:1, but I know I'm better than that. For that matter, there are OUT fans I don't care for - DumbAssKeith was one example.
Go-Mer, due to his enormous volume of posts and singular style, makes himself a special case. He is a skilled debator who writes well and thus is hard to refute. He has the same failing we all do - ignoring those arguments we have no answer for. That is particularly grating coming from Go-Mer since he seems to respond to every last point.
Furthermore, I've been involved in many of the same discussions as Go-Mer (and not always on his side) and I fail to see how he's "jamming it up our ass" any more than any other PT fan is, and I've never once seen him derail a topic as many here claim. Indeed, in every topic I've seen where he talks about the PT, the PT was already a relevant topic anyway. The only thing he does is take a stance that isn't precisely the same as all the angry extremist anti-Lucas nerds here, in fact he's probably the most cool-minded and reasonable poster here.
As Go-Mer is fond of quoting, "Your focus determines your reality." You do not see how because it doesn't fit your worldview. Wait, what am I saying? You're
objective!
I tend to think it's more likely that valid examples of Go-Mer's "jamming" simply don't exist. After all, I've asked his critics to name examples and all I got for it was a comparison written by one such critic, of Go-Mer to a South Park character.
Of course you think it's more likely because you are dazzled by your own mental powers. You couldn't possibly be wrong, after all.
I agree with most of what you say here. I didn't make (and haven't made) the topic, and I won't start one once this one is locked. However, if you think I'm wrong for contributing to it, well, what are you doing here? You're not a mod. If you're appalled at the illegality of this thread, then your additions to it only make it grow.
What? Avoid the topic? And let an as-far-as-I-know honest poster stand alone against a mob? Not only would that be immoral,
Yep. You have passed the test. Your soul is pure. I can't think of a greater test of moral fiber than this.
but I also know from past experience on previous forums that if you let these lynch-mobbers be once, they'll decide they run the place and will do it again and again until them and those like them are the only ones allowed to talk. There needs to be a balance.
This place IS balance to the crap on other SW sites.
Now, if someone could show me, conclusively and inarguably, that Go-Mer was a troll, then I would very gladly either step aside, or join the lynch-mob.
Well, my demonstration of his troll status was based on a premise you find faulty. Nothing I can do about that. Doesn't make you right. Or me, for that matter.
"Recognized authority figure?" OMG, is this a paying position somewhere?
I meant as in, either a moderator or administrator. I figured you'd be able to assume that.
I'll actually backtrack here. I read this differently than you intended it.
The underlying tone of your responses is interesting. I've done nothing more than call it like I see it. Yet, you respond as though I have some sort of power to make people do what I want. Why do you feel this way?
My girlfriend prefers 77 to 69 - you get 8 more.
