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Once Upon a Time in the West - 35mm print scanning (* unfinished project? lots of info *) — Page 2

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I hope that new 4k will get soon release on BD. 😉

16mm U.S.A version mounted on 3 x 2300’ reels and printed on FUJI film stock.
This is a flat print, not scope.








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Once Upon Time In The West had a showing on French television a few weeks ago in a gorgeous HD print with the best colour I’ve seen, far superior to the Blu Ray release we currently have available.

I read the so called “new” release is the same as the last one so maybe French tv got theirs from another source. Certainly better from the colour pov and of course it was the full length French release.

Saw it in October in a cinema in Toulouse, great to see again on a huge screen, and the print was the same as the Blu Ray, so in many ways the tv broadcast was a revelation!

ptb Jan 2020
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/sergio-leone-blu-ray-thread.325032/page-12

ptb
Currently watching the broadcast on French television , the best transfer I’ve seen, sharp focus, gorgeous colour palette, rich and varied. A real treat.

11-24-2019
I watched it on GRIT TV yesterday, and the color was amazing.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=167266&page=33

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Post by ptb is from Jan 2020 @ hometheaterforum.

But his post over forum.blu-ray.com is from 11-10-2019, 07:42 PM
Currently watching the broadcast on French television…
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=17044361&postcount=647

Il était une fois dans l’Ouest (W9) : A qui sont ces yeux ? Retour sur les regards cultes du cinéma 10 nov. 2019
Dès 21h05, W9 diffuse le cultissime Il était une fois dans l’Ouest…
https://www.programme-tv.net/news/cinema/74683-il-etait-une-fois-dans-l-ouest-france-3-les-regards-cultes-du-cinema-a-qui-sont-ces-yeux-34-photos/

Prochaine diffusion : (Next broadcast Smile
Lundi 13 avril à 23h00 (Monday April 13 at 11:00 p.m.) VOSTFR - FR Dubbed

Il Etait une fois dans l’Ouest 1968 Rediff HDTV 720p MKV x264 AAC - 2.97GB - Old 4 months @ yggt***
Date de rediffusion : 10 novembre 2019


Stereo Remix from the early-90s
I’m curious what they’ll do about the audio mix.
I’ve caught a print of this once and it was a stereo remix from the early-90s that sounded too good, if that makes sense. I appreciate good audio, but it’s distracting to see older pre-Dolby films futzed like this.
http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2698&start=175


Incredibly Grainy 😃
Once Upon a Time in the West, like many of Leone’s westerns, was shot in 2-perf Techniscope. This is inherently an incredibly grainy format that looks really bad for home video – a postage-stamp-sized frame roughly the same height as 16mm. It looked even worse in the theater, because of the optical blow-ups and anamorphic conversion involved. It’s never gonna be super-sharp, because the frame size is so small, plus it’s a 45-year-old movie.
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/dnr-on-once-upon-a-time-in-the-west-blu-ray.251661/#post-6597749

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friendlyneighborhoodschizo said:

The Vudu 2160 WEB is out if any of you guys might be interested.




Is this the complete restored version with all available extra footage and correct opening and closing parts or just simply a 4k version of the new widely available version? Thanks

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Realmovielover said:

friendlyneighborhoodschizo said:

The Vudu 2160 WEB is out if any of you guys might be interested.




Is this the complete restored version with all available extra footage and correct opening and closing parts or just simply a 4k version of the new widely available version? Thanks

I can send over the file if you want to check.
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Apr 3, 2023
UHD BD quality download on Kaleidescape, a whopping 86.8 GB
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/once-upon-a-time-in-the-west-4k-uhd.378948/page-4

Review of UHD - May 8, 2023
PICTURE | The 4K HDR release of the revered Leone epic looks gorgeous but is a little too clean, removing the necessary grit, resulting in a look that’s untrue to the original film

SOUND | Crisp and clean while staying true to the soundtrack—but, once again, where’s the original mono mix?

With the link to Kaleidescape.
https://www.cineluxe.com/review-once-upon-a-time-in-the-west/

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Marin, I sent you a message. Please Check your DM

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Another 35mm print got scanned recently, and it is an IB print that has footage that the UHD lacks.

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CourtlyHades296 said:

Another 35mm print got scanned recently, and it is an IB print that has footage that the UHD lacks.

Are you referring to the anticipated Eagle Italian release, or a fan made release?

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The eagle release is supposed to be just a new encode of the same scan used in the paramount UHD. Any news on this other print ?

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CourtlyHades296 said:

Another 35mm print got scanned recently, and it is an IB print that has footage that the UHD lacks.

This is definitely needed!

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Would love to see a 35mm print of this movie.

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skytrapal said:

Would love to see a 35mm print of this movie.

Same, or any of the Leone Westerns for that matter, if anyone knows where we can find them please point us in the right direction

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WildngPower8 said:

skytrapal said:

Would love to see a 35mm print of this movie.

Same, or any of the Leone Westerns for that matter, if anyone knows where we can find them please point us in the right direction

I saw a 35mm print of The Good The Bad and The Ugly last month on the big screen it used the 2003 extended cut version.

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Eagle:
Regarding the 4K release, we’ll use the same master but we’re trying to do our best to make some improvements, wherever possible. for sure it’ll be a BD-100. could be released this autumn.

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In short: Garbage

so arrived it today and just gave a quick spin. never had paramount release but i must say i hate this transfer. true that caps can be misleading but in motion the “management” is way beyond my tolerance threshold.

grain is glued/frozen most of the time and spotted very waxed-look shots from time to time. colors are good but those can’t save the other aspects IMO.

No go for me and that’s a real shame what paramount did with one of the greatest italian movie of all time.

as for the technical: BD-100 with DV and a very healthy bitrate (always around 60/70), encoding appears to be very good; movie’s duration is 165m49s and opening and closing credits are in english. no doubts many will like it but i really don’t. or maybe i’ll just have to wait to cool it down and give it another try.

but for now the sentiment is to give it back.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=22560334&postcount=197