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As you can see, I'm new here. But I've lurked around this forum and seen some blatant examples of ignorance and disrespect I've ever seen, no personal offense intended. Someone has to say this and shoot down some of this nonsense. I'll post some quotes and rebuttals. Afterwards I'll leave in peace.

First, I'm a huge Star Wars fans. I grew up with these films and I love them. They are truly great pieces of work. I'm not one of these wait in line or dress up kind of fans, but I love these films just as much as they do. I support your cause and I have signed this petition. I want the originals, as well as Lucas new cuts. I believe Lucas is wrong not to release and preserve the originals. But I'm not so cynical or jaded that I'm gonna pass on this DVD. I doubt many Star Wars fans, despite their denials, will pass on it either. With that, here we go.

Posted by Luke Skywalker:
"jimbo he has proven it 3 times... and even thats being generous considering he didnt direct TESB or ROTJ.."

This was a post implying that Lucas isn't a good filmmaker, and that he's only made 3 good films, the original Star Wars trilogy. It's also the biggest load I've ever heard.

American Graffiti - Lucas created and directed American Graffiti, a film that received numerous Oscar noms, including Best Picture and Best Director. It received great critical acclaim and is widely known as a classic.

THX-1138 - He also created and directed this film, a film regarded as a great science-fiction film, as well as receiving great critical acclaim.

Star Wars - Then came Star Wars, the only film of the original Star Wars trilogy that received Oscar noms for Best Picture and Best Director. It was directed by George Lucas. Perhaps Empire should have received those noms as well, but that's beside the point. The Star Wars trilogy is Lucas' vision. He is responsible for it and a very large reason why it is as great as it is.

Return of the Jedi - According to Kershner, Lucas directed most of Return of the Jedi, because Marquand and Lucas didn't get along, and the actors didn't respond to Marquand all that well. Kershner stated it was kept very quiet. I would be glad to drag the quote out. You can find the interview online.

Willow - Not a great film, but regarded as a good, lighthearted, fun film. It is enjoyed by many. Lucas didn't direct, but he did create it, write the stories, and produced them.

Indy Trilogy - No, Lucas didn't direct these films either. But Indiana Jones came from the mind of George Lucas. He created the characters and the concepts, and wrote the stories to all 3 films. He produced all 3 as well. You can thank Lucas for this trilogy, as well as the Star Wars trilogy.

So as you can see, Lucas has proven his worth as a filmmaker far more times than just with Star Wars. Maybe you should have gotten your facts straight before you mouthed off about what a terrible filmmaker he is.

Don't eve get me started on his founding and created ILM, Skywalker Sound, and LucasArts, the best and most prolific companies of their kind in the filmmaking industry. Not to mention the massive impact Lucas has had on filmmaking, visual effects, and an entire generation of people and pop culture. You wouldn't be here otherwise. Even the great Kurosawa can thank Lucas for helping him to get "Kagemusha" made. Lucas even lent ILM's services to Kurosawa so he could make great effects for his film "Dreams."

Ask Lawrence Kasdan, who Lucas helped on his first film, Body Heat. I can go on and on and on.

Lucas' influence and impact goes far, far greater than just Star Wars. Rather than continually insulting him and calling him every name in the book, simply because you're angry over his refusal to release the originals, how about a little frickin' respect for the man. If anything, you should thank him for giving you Star Wars and Indy in the first place. You can be angry and disappointed without the mean-spirited attacks and disrespect.

"So Luke, if a bunch of us e-mailed Criterion, do you think we'd intrigue them...I mean, they're all about film preservation, so perhaps they feel as we do"

It doesn't matter what they do. They have no control over Star Wars, nor do they have the ability to put the originals on DVD. Lucas owns Star Wars. They can't do a thing without Lucas' approval.

"Richard Marquand did a great job on directing Return of the Jedi. The only thing that's his "fault" about it is how great it is."

As I said above, maybe you better thank Lucas rather than Marquand. Kershner stated that Lucas directed most of Return of the Jedi. You can look above for the reasons. Do a search for Irvin Kershner interviews. It was an interview with Shock Cinema in which he states Lucas directed most of Jedi, along with his(Kershner's) 2nd unit director filming some other, smaller scenes.

Posted by Luke Skywalker:
"but i understand that being of your intelligence... you need a lot of action to hold your attention and a very simple story..."

After reading many of your posts, you of all people shouldn't be insulting anyone's intelligence. Your opinion is not fact. It's like all other opinions, and we know what they say about opinions. I bet you even own AOTC on DVD, which says a whole lot about you, especially if you hate it so much.

"http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1715

That is a poll about the Star Wars DVDs to the general public. This was not on a Star Wars site or anything.

I was surprised to see so many people not going to buy it (general public) because of the changes."


A poll from an internet gaming website is not the general public. In fact, they make up many of the online fanboys. The general public does not chat about movies online. Internet fans make up probably 1% of all Star Wars fans. They just tend to be the loudest and most fanatical.

If you honestly believe that only 50% of Star Wars fans are going to buy this DVD, then I've got a bridge to sell you. Almost all Star Wars fans will buy the DVD sooner or later, even the vast majority of those who claim they won't. It's a bunch bull and they know it. Some won't buy it, but those will be few and far between. Online polls and threats are meaningless, because nobody can call you on it. For all we know, people can claim they won't buy it, then go out and buy it, and we wouldn't even know.

"George Lucas listens to fans, not in my lifetime!"

Considering how pathetic, mean-spirited, and possessive they've become, why should he. Star Wars fans have now surpassed Star Trek fans as the most pathetic lot in all of movie fandom, and I have to include myself in that fanbase. I wouldn't listen to them either, if I was in Lucas' shoes.

Posted by Luke Skywalker:
"yes and these people who like the changes are fanboys who like anything that Lucas dishes out.."

Quite funny coming from someone who has racked up nearly 3,000 posts on a Star Wars message board. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

I've seen these rips, and they are a vast improvement over the '97 SEs. The new Jabba is a huge improvement over the '97 SE Jabba, and it isn't even close. The new dianoga is far better than the old one. The new ending to Jedi is much better than the original, abrupt ending with the silly ewok yub-nub song. The new Emperor change in Empire, is a huge improvement over the original, monkey-eyed emperor. The removal of the scream from Luke's fall is also a great change. Not to mention all of the other cleaned up shots, including lightsabers. If you complain about these, you need help.

As for replacing Shaw with Hayden. I don't like it. It's half-ass work. I prefer the original.

Now, you can flame me, rip me, call me names! Whatever! But get a clue and a grip. If you think you're going make Luc
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Thank you Sean! Apologies if my post came off as mean or disrespectful. But it's what I feel.
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"jimbo he has proven it 3 times... and even thats being generous considering he didnt direct TESB or ROTJ.."

sry i just wanted to point out that i didnt mean in his whole career...
i was talking about the OT...

i should have made it more obvious in the thread...


and before you come on here mentioning "After reading many of your posts, you of all people shouldn't be insulting anyone's intelligence. Your opinion is not fact. It's like all other opinions, and we know what they say about opinions. I bet you even own AOTC on DVD, which says a whole lot about you, especially if you hate it so much."

i suggest you do your homework on the people that is being said about....
especially the thread in which he gay bashes and when asked for an apology by a member who was emotionally insulted... he gives nothing..
i would never say things about someone unless i had a reason too... but when forum members are malicious to others for no reason i cannot stay quiet.. just as you did with your post... right?
you can ask anyone here that i would never insult or intend to insult anyone on these forums unless i really felt that something should be said...

if you read the letter before signing the petition you will see why we have a problem with Lucas not releasing the OT...
its almost confusing as to why he is doing such a thing... but we all here believe in the preservation film and are trying to prevent this from becoming the norm when it comes to motion picture history...

i welcome you to our boards with no harm done by your post... and am glad you said what was on your mind
everyone is entitled to their opinion and thats what the internet is best for...
people exercising free speech...
SO WELCOME TO THE BOARDS BUDDY!
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Joe_H I might have a new allie.
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Excellent post, welcome to the forums!!

Hey Jimbo. (I should make that my thingie at the bottom..."What up Jimbo")
Which is the more foolish, the fool (the OT) or the fool who follows (the PT)?

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jimbo anyone who disagrees with us you call a new allie....
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Thats right Luke.....


Jimbo....

Piss off!!



joe_H......I agree with Luke here. I think you do need to read a few more threads before you rant and rave like you have.
No one here hates SW, just what Lucas has done to the films,
I will be one of those people buying the DVD on the 20th (we in the UK get it a day early..ha), but that doesn't mean I don't want the films I saw as a kid and loved. Man, I am Mr Star Wars to all my freinds and family, sad as that sounds, I want the versions i saw, but for now these will do. I'll just have to close my eyes at certain scenes, or take a piss!

As for Jimbo...the guys a prick, and when you read some of the shit he's being saying, you'll realise that.

Typical Jimbo post........"AOTC is the best film ever, so fuck off. Nat portman is hot, so fuck off if you don't agree...blah, blah, blah....I'm a bigot........blah,blah!!!!

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Regarding the 'Luke & jimbo situation': The pointless bickering between jimbo and Luke has been going on for a long long time, with Luke once achieving a temporary 'victory' by having jimbo temporarily banned from the message boards, since enough people seemed to agree with Luke's point of view.

If all you'll be trying to do is an attempt 'contributing' to their childish personal quarrel (let alone 'picking a side'), then by all means you're not really welcome by me.

Regarding the 'We owe Lucas situation': I don't owe him anything - and he doesn't owe me anything. His 'fan relations' are on a business-level only. Everybody who believes differently is an idealistic fool (which is not necessarily a bad thing, though), he doesn't give a rats ass about what fans like or don't like (the changes in the '2oo4 Editions' of the classic trilogy should make that quite clear). And he certainly doesn't make any difference between die-hard-lucas-lovers or die-hard-lucas-haters. He doesn't need us to like it anymore.

In the end he is like all of us, obsessed with 'his favorite vision' of StarWars. Alas, what makes him unique is that he is the only person who has the power to create new changed versions as well as preserving the original versions. Is Lucas evil because he doesn't want to preserve the original versions? No. Irresponsible? Yes. Why? Because "with great power, comes great responsibility."

I for once just wish he would follow the laws of logic and make a special edition of the classics that'd actually make sense (that still wouldn't be my favorite version of the films, but at least I could sit down and nod and say "hmm... I don't like that he changed it, but it actually makes sense on a strictly logical basis and it was superbly implemented, artistically as well as technically.)

The director's cut of THX-1138 shows he can apply reasonable changes that follow the original spirit of the story and actually amplify the mood and atmosphere of the setting. That said, it appears that all those silly and illogical changes contained within the upcoming '2oo4 Editions' were purposedly done that way - go figure.

There's only one thing I have left to say to Lucas himself (although I doubt he'll hear nor understand me): "Tread lightly George, for you tread on our dreams..."
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
Regarding the 'Luke & jimbo situation': The pointless bickering between jimbo and Luke has been going on for a long long time, with Luke once achieving a temporary 'victory' by having jimbo temporarily banned from the message boards, since enough people seemed to agree with Luke's point of view.

If all you'll be trying to do is an attempt 'contributing' to their childish personal quarrel (let alone 'picking a side'), then by all means you're not really welcome by me.

Regarding the 'We owe Lucas situation': I don't owe him anything - and he doesn't owe me anything. His 'fan relations' are on a business-level only. Everybody who believes differently is an idealistic fool (which is not necessarily a bad thing, though), he doesn't give a rats ass about what fans like or don't like (the changes in the '2oo4 Editions' of the classic trilogy should make that quite clear). And he certainly doesn't make any difference between die-hard-lucas-lovers or die-hard-lucas-haters. He doesn't need us to like it anymore.

In the end he is like all of us, obsessed with 'his favorite vision' of StarWars. Alas, what makes him unique is that he is the only person who has the power to create new changed versions as well as preserving the original versions. Is Lucas evil because he doesn't want to preserve the original versions? No. Irresponsible? Yes. Why? Because "with great power, comes great responsibility."

I for once just wish he would follow the laws of logic and make a special edition of the classics that'd actually make sense (that still wouldn't be my favorite version of the films, but at least I could sit down and nod and say "hmm... I don't like that he changed it, but it actually makes sense on a strictly logical basis and it was superbly implemented, artistically as well as technically.)

The director's cut of THX-1138 shows he can apply reasonable changes that follow the original spirit of the story and actually amplify the mood and atmosphere of the setting. That said, it appears that all those silly and illogical changes contained within the upcoming '2oo4 Editions' were purposedly done that way - go figure.

There's only one thing I have left to say to Lucas himself (although I doubt he'll hear nor understand me): "Tread lightly George, for you tread on our dreams..."


I agree with most of what you said. We don't owe Lucas anything but neither does he owe us anything. I also agree I wish he would make a Special Edition that makes sense. In does bug me he made alot of good changes but then put Haydens head in Return of the Jedi.
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Originally posted by: joe_H
"Richard Marquand did a great job on directing Return of the Jedi. The only thing that's his "fault" about it is how great it is."

As I said above, maybe you better thank Lucas rather than Marquand. Kershner stated that Lucas directed most of Return of the Jedi. You can look above for the reasons. Do a search for Irvin Kershner interviews. It was an interview with Shock Cinema in which he states Lucas directed most of Jedi, along with his(Kershner's) 2nd unit director filming some other, smaller scenes.

Okay, I guess that makes Lucas responsible for Return of the Jedi being as great as it is. However, he's definitely lost it since then. I'm also wondering why he doesn't also have his name listed as a director if he did most of the directing.

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"George Lucas listens to fans, not in my lifetime!"

Considering how pathetic, mean-spirited, and possessive they've become, why should he.

That's a good point. However, Lucas really brought this upon himself. People didn't start hating him for no reason. They didn't just wake up one day and start saying "Lucas sucks!". He's lost the respect of many people through all of the things he's done. Everything from making really stupid and unnecessary changes (Greedo shooting first, Luke screaming as he fell in TESB, etc.) to saying the original versions don't exist anymore and marketing the box set as the Star Wars Trilogy with no mention of Special Editions or changes whatsoever and so on and so on. All these things have made people lose lots of respect for him, which is why lots of us seem so disrespectful to him and all.

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I've seen these rips, and they are a vast improvement over the '97 SEs. The new Jabba is a huge improvement over the '97 SE Jabba, and it isn't even close.

Yeah, I've seen pictures of the new Jabba. It definitely looks a lot better, although I think there's something wrong about him, that just doesn't look right. I can't seem to figure out what it is. I just know it still looks wrong somehow to me.

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The new dianoga is far better than the old one.

I'm undecided about this change. I don't really care. The new dianoga with its new-looking eye (and slit pupil, rather than a round one) looks cool, but I think the old one was good enough. However, like I said I really don't care about this one.

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The new ending to Jedi is much better than the original, abrupt ending with the silly ewok yub-nub song.

This one I disagree with. I personally liked the old one more. Although as far as the song goes, I really don't care which one it is. I like both of them. But the celebrations don't really make sense. We've had some discussions about this sometime back, but basically it doesn't really make sense for all those planets to be celebrating (especially so soon after the Death Star II blew up - how did they get the news so fast?) because it seems to me that they either weren't under Imperial control and would have no real reason to celebrate, or they were under Imperial control and still wouldn't be celebrating, because there would obviously still be Imperial troops remaining. Death Star II and the Empire's two biggest leaders might have been destroyed, but there would still be lots of Imperial troops left throughout the galaxy on the planets that were under the control of the Empire and I don't think they'd suddenly drop their weapons and run away just because of the destruction of the new Death Star. There would also probably be lots of Imperial bases left throughout the galaxy.

But anyway, that's just my opinion. But that's the major reason I still prefer the old ending.

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The new Emperor change in Empire, is a huge improvement over the original, monkey-eyed emperor.

This one I also disagree with. While it's cool to have the Emperor from Return of the Jedi talking to Darth Vader, I liked the old woman with chimpanzee eyes as well. The old presents a continuity error, but it's still a very cool looking Emperor and I've never really had a problem with it.

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The removal of the scream from Luke's fall is also a great change.

I definitely agree on this one! The scene has a much better effect when Luke falls down silently, rather than going "eeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhoooooohhhhh!" in a voice that isn't even his (it sounds like the Emperor's scream, but longer and slightly different). Definitely glad they're getting rid of it.

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Not to mention all of the other cleaned up shots, including lightsabers. If you complain about these, you need help.

Yeah, the cleaned up shots look good. The quality on the DVDs is also absolutely amazing (from the pictures I've seen, anyway). I just wish the original versions could also be there instead of just the 2004 editions.

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As for replacing Shaw with Hayden. I don't like it. It's half-ass work. I prefer the original.

Yep, I also agree with this. Bring back Shaw!

Anyway, welcome to boards. It's good to find somebody that can disagree with us, but without calling us "whiny fanboys" or insulting/bashing/flaming us in some way.
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
jimbo anyone who disagrees with us you call a new allie....


I say that because I believe this site needs more individuels with an opposite view. Having just me has been a bit of a pain.
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do you also want more people on here to help you bash gay people?
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Master Sifo-Dyas

i know sometimes me and jimbo have pointless arguments but if you even read some of the things he was saying in the Interview with Mark Hamil thread you would definatly have a different opinion on the matter...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Originally posted by: HotRod
It's not your views on SW jimbo, it's the hatred towards gays that fucked people off!


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What Luke just said!!


Thing is my opinion on gays is much much stronger then any movie.
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Joe_H and Jimbo share the same opinions. Joe_H loves everything about the new DVD's except he says this, "As for replacing Shaw with Hayden. I don't like it. It's half-ass work. I prefer the original." Weird, Jimbo's only contention is that point as well and he too loves everything else. This Joe_H read many posts over the last several weeks, all of which had Jimbo in heated debates (though I am sure its a long time lurker...new poster...right). Joe_H has made no comment on Jimbo's hate thread. Joe_H comes from out of nowhere right at the time people are clammoring for Jimbo's banning. There is a reason I suggested IP ban. What I am wondering now is what is Jimbo's IP address and what Joe_H's is. The blind love of Lucas is there for both and there opinions are indentical. I could debate that entire post and still might, but this is poignant and only someone such as Jimbo or at least much like Jimbo would open themselves on a board like this...

"But I've lurked around this forum and seen some blatant examples of ignorance and disrespect I've ever seen, no personal offense intended."

Are you kidding me, there DAMN sure is personal offense intended all through this." Ignorance and Disrespect by saying people are deviants, should be isolated, and treated with hate is Jimbo's feelings.Yes both Joe_H and Jimbo are ignorant and disrespectful (if you support these ideas). And if you 1. Have been lurking all this time with all these thoughts than you are coward for waiting until now and taking a whole thread to blast this entire board for there collective thoughts and conversations that you were not a part of (or were you?) 2. If you are Jimbo, damn, this is pathetic.

Ban away and run that IP. Please.

As far as Sifo_Dyas well I have not seen this at all from Luke, Jimbo will attack Luke with crappy comments often just antagonizing and playing devil's advocate with illogical arguments just to push buttons. Luke is a great contributor this board and posts helpful ideas, links, and by and large is a good friend to most everyone on this board. He contributes to nearly every thread with well thought out comments. More than I can say for Jimbo.

To quote me since you grabbed my out of context "Lucas listen to fans, not in my lifetime" (a parody of the Greedo line) well here's my post from another thread where Jimbo's hatefulness run's rampant.
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I don't need to sit down after a long day of work and fill my mind with stress, negativity and hate...I certainly can find that other places with little effort. This board is about the love of Star Wars and more specifically the understanding that we are losing something we love. I have made many friends here and it has transcended just Star Wars, though that was are starting point, for all of us. r2, galahad, windexed, mio, rikter, magnolia, luke, bossk, darth sheba, klingon, warbler, etc. These are names of good friends I converse with and share ideas with every day based on our common love of SW. This board is a source of enjoyment and it is here I believe I have found a home. That's cool to me.

All of this said, when I see someone ruining the place we hang out for friendship and worse still, singling out some of my friends with hateful comments; I will defend them.

Jimbo, I do believe it is time you got IP banned from this board. And maybe there is a place for you where people find pleasure out of hateful comments and harsh criticism. But its not here, not with me, and apparently not with most of my friends.
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Quotes from Jimbo:
"Go impragnate a women like the rest of us. The best part about kids is making them. I am not against adoption. Adoption is a very good thing. Not Gay adoption. For an innocent child to live with such discusting behavior is so wrong. Frankly id love for all children with Gay adopted parents to be taken away and put with normal familys. Husbund and Wife. The way nature and God want us to be."

"My opinion being gay is sick. Which is one of the biggest reasons I support Bush over Kerry. Bush cares about America. Frankly I don't want to live in an America where being a sick discusting deviant is considered normal. Like I said it is a steping stone to accepting even worse individuels like child molesters."
"If I had a gay teacher id do whatever I can to switch classes. I can't stand them and I can't stand any strait individuel who accepts them. My homophobic views are very popular in my school. Those who aren't homophobic are outcasts. Again gays should not be aloud to teach. That puts them around normal people. They should not be alowed in normal schools or any normal place where normal people live. Our society is getting sicker and sicker. As Al Bundy said "Its a tough world out there. Fat people getting mad if you call them cows. Foreign people getting made if you tell them to go home."

"If I am banned I can live. I feel that I must speak out anywhere I can about the wrong direction I believe the country I love is going."

OK lets talk about ignorant and disrespectful. The grammar and misspellings aside, the hatefulness is unacceptable on this board and has no place even if you ascribe to his ideals and think he is right, he has no right to put it out there in such an inflammatory manner. This is disrespectful to everyone here. Flat out.

As for the original post made above by "Joe_H" I could certainly discredit most of that, but I am not sure I want to play this game.

According to him...
" I'll post some quotes and rebuttals. Afterwards I'll leave in peace."

Well ok, thats what I want...peace. You shit on everyone here and have the gall to say that you'll post a few statements and leave in peace and go back to "lurking" right. Cowardice and truly misguided.

I am so tired of seeing what was a joyous experience being on this board getting ruined, its almost like watching TPM on continuous loop.

BTW, Joe_H, I am not leaving, at all, I am here, I was here before you and will be here after you...not lurking...but here...posting...and contributing things of a positive nature here.

Peace.
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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I've been reading these boards for a long time and the jimbo-Luke grudge goes back quite a long time. And neither jimbo nor Luke are able to put the matter to a rest. That's how I see it (and one of the reasons I stopped posting regularly in here).
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I doubt Joe_H and Jimbo are the same. Joe seems to have a good grasp on the English language. He can form sentences, opinions, etc.

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Hmm... So joe_H and jimbo might both be the same person, huh? Interesting theory. Now that I think about it, you could be right. There are definitely a lot of the similarities, as you mentioned (but then again, there are also lots of differences). Also, I just noticed how joe_H defended jimbo in post and how jimbo has lately been talking about how we need "an opposing view point" on this board or whatever.

But until jimbo gets I.P. banned (or at least an I.P. address check on both gets done) we'll never really know for sure, because both of them are going to deny being the same person, whether or not they really are. If they aren't, that's what they'll say. If they are the same person, "they" will say "they" aren't anyway to cover it up. Also, joe_H's proper grammar and spelling and educated opinions make it seem like he's not jimbo, but that might just be jimbo doing that anyway to avoid being suspected...

Well, whatever. It's an interesting theory and there are definitely similarities between the two of them, but I think I'll wait this one out and see what happens. They might be the same person, they might be two different people and it could all be a coincidence.
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I doubt Joe_H and Jimbo are the same. Joe seems to have a good grasp on the English language. He can form sentences, opinions, etc.

Yay, for trolling! Exactly the type of 'quality posts' this forum needs another load of...
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
I've been reading these boards for a long time and the jimbo-Luke grudge goes back quite a long time. And neither jimbo nor Luke are able to put the matter to a rest. That's how I see it (and one of the reasons I stopped posting regularly in here).


you're going to leave because you can't stand to see Jimbo and Luke duke it out? I can understand not wanting to get in the middle of it, but Jimbo and Luke don't fight each other in every thread. Sifo, surely you have to side with us against Jimbo when he starts spreading hate. come on and stop being such a pacifist. Pease is a noble goal but somethings are worth fighting. Bigotry is one of them.


TO joe_H:


how can you say that you support the cause and signed the petition, yet still go out and buy the DVDs of the SE OT? If you truly support our cause you can't buy SE OT. As I see it the only way we are going to convince him to release the O OT on DVD is to hit him where it hurts, his wallet. That is why I won't buy the DVD's. You don't want to believe me? oh well. As for Lucas's ability as a film maker. I agree he is responsible for several great films. However that was in the past. What great film has he made in the past 15 years? He WAS a great film maker, but not anymore. You are welcome to disagree with us, but please don't kiss Lucases ass. He may be responsible for the OT but that doesn't mean he is above criticism. He is not god, so don't treat him like he is, and don't expect us to either. His actions regarding the release of the DVD's, SE OT, and the PT have pissed fans off. You might say he doesn't owe the fans anything, but if he still wants us to buy tickets for his movies, buy/rent his DVDs, buy books based on his movies, and buy other memorabilia then he'd better start pleasing the fans instead of upsetting them. In short GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!.

oh, and one last thing HAN SHOOTS FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you watched the O OT and think that Greedo shot first, you must have been drinking... Alot.


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I've been reading these boards for a long time and the jimbo-Luke grudge goes back quite a long time. And neither jimbo nor Luke are able to put the matter to a rest. That's how I see it (and one of the reasons I stopped posting regularly in here).


but i tried to put it to rest!!
i said in a thread something along the lines of "jimbo i have given up. I will ignore everyone of your posts"
i will post the exact quote when i find it... but when u brought up the whole gay argument i thought that was totally crossing the line...
who is he to say what is right or wrong?
and especially when we may have members here who are gay...
that is iggnorant... PERIOD!
its like saying the beliefs of Jews are a truely disgusting manner...
why!?!?!?

and why on a Star Wars forum...
we're talking about the preservation of the OT and this guy starts bashing gays???
someone please give me a logical explanation as to his reasoning for this??

i am gonna AGAIN.... try and bring some peace to these forums by ignoring jimbo's posts...
but if he so happens to bring up one more hateful post towards anyone on this forum or to gays im not gonna put up with it...
i will make sure he is never allowed to post here again...

people always say how these forums are great because peoples opinions are never shut down and everyone is given their chance to express the way they feel about the Star Wars movies... and i quite frankly want to keep it that way...

so from here on in i will not be replying to any of jimbo's posts... unless something really has to be said...
fair enough...

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As far as Sifo_Dyas well I have not seen this at all from Luke, Jimbo will attack Luke with crappy comments often just antagonizing and playing devil's advocate with illogical arguments just to push buttons. Luke is a great contributor this board and posts helpful ideas, links, and by and large is a good friend to most everyone on this board. He contributes to nearly every thread with well thought out comments. More than I can say for Jimbo.


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thank you so much for your kind words Obi-wonton..
i truely appreciate them!
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
Yay, for trolling! Exactly the type of 'quality posts' this forum needs another load of...


can't you take a joke? that was not trolling, what Jimbo does is trolling. And it is true that jimbo either won't or can't form sentences or logically thought out arguments.


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Well, I'm kinda bored over this kindergarten quarrel, there's nothing humorous about it at all. It's really nothing more but beating the dead horse. At least Luke declared a 'cease fire', now the ball is in jimbo's court to do so likewise. I hope they (and everybody else 'involved') can manage to settle this once and for all.

Also I didn't leave, I just dropped back into lurk-mode. I'm still creating artwork to help express the feelings of those who grew up loving the original cuts and collecting material for my flier that is supposed to go in-print this month. It's unbelievable how uninformed the average german DVD buyer is and I really hope to be able to change that (don't cross your fingers though).

Once the '2oo4 editions' are out on DVD I will use all my available resources to recut the films to my liking, undoing all the changes I did not like (hopefully I'll have a dual layer burner by then, so I can put both german and english audio tracks on there). -- May the force be with us