Now with 100% more Inception spoilers (was: xhonzi's Guide to Not Being Ignored by xhonzi (or to get your groove back)) — Page 6

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I think I'll see "The Blues Brothers" again. You know, just to make sure I know every piece of dialogue.

Yay Inception and its 4 Oscar wins.

For what it's worth.

I'm glad that you just posted that, we just finished watching the awards.

doubleofive said:

So the architect (or dreamer), puts a PASIV device in the dream, which allows them to fall asleep in the dream and dream another layer. But its already a dream, meaning this PASIV device is imaginary. Is it like the Matrix, that if they believe it hard enough it makes it real? I don't understand how imaginary drugs can put you to sleep in a dream that you KNOW is imaginary!

twister111 said:

doubleofive said:

So the architect (or dreamer), puts a PASIV device in the dream, which allows them to fall asleep in the dream and dream another layer. But its already a dream, meaning this PASIV device is imaginary. Is it like the Matrix, that if they believe it hard enough it makes it real? I don't understand how imaginary drugs can put you to sleep in a dream that you KNOW is imaginary!

'Kay since spoiler warning in title analysis from me:

In each instance a dream PASIV is present there is an individual there to be fooled. First Saito, second Fischer. The dream PASIV is there as a means of tricking the one needing to be fooled. There's no mention whatsoever of Mal and, Cobb needing a dream PASIV to enter limbo. It's also an easy way to keep the subject's subconcious at bay by not changing too much about what the person knows as reasonable. I suppose it could be said in such a way that the person to be fooled could "suspend disbelief" for a short while in order to accept the rules of the device. Kind of in a way making Saito, and Fischer conduits for the audience to latch onto and, relate to.
Should you want a Matrix analogy. The "team" are akin to agents. While Saito and, Fischer are akin to the battery people. The Agents want the program to stay "real" to the battery people. The battery people get an illusion of standard procedures. Such as Neo getting arrested then left in a virtual interrogation room. Meanwhile the agents do have abilities beyond the battery person. Such as changing appearances.

doubleofive said:

I like it, but Cobb and Ariadne go into Limbo using a dream PASIV, and usually Ariadne is our audience analog, so if it was going to be explained, they would have explained it to her. Maybe in a deleted scene...

twister111 said:

doubleofive said:

I like it, but Cobb and Ariadne go into Limbo using a dream PASIV, and usually Ariadne is our audience analog, so if it was going to be explained, they would have explained it to her. Maybe in a deleted scene...

Ariadne and, Cobb were in Fischer's dream at the time though. The militant subconcious was still rampant. Changing things might've escalated the already overbearing attacks.

Oh, good.  I'll take him off of my ignore list...

:D

^Am I supposed to put that on a table and then look at it from a low angle?

How big of a Matrix fan is Chris Nolan?

I was/am a pretty big Matrix fan, and I remember looking forward to Memento to see Trinity and Cipher together in another movie.  I mean, Memento came out right on the heels of The Matrix, he had to have hired them based on their performances there, right?

And now Inception.  I think there's plenty of room for both stories/universes... but you can't deny there are a lot of similarities.

xhonzi said:

^Am I supposed to put that on a table and then look at it from a low angle?

That's pretty cool. 

I totally called this one:

<Hover over image for answer>

The Matrix one was interesting.

Back to Inception:

I wanted to listen to commentary in my car, but it turns out that there's not a 'commentary' per se- just one of those "enhanced viewing modes" which I'm not much of a fan of because I'd much rather watch the features or the movie, not the features while watching the movie- I mean, it takes about 150% as long to watch the movie with the features and you're not really watching the movie or the features, if you know what I mean, so anyways I was googling 'Inception commetary' to see if the DVD version maybe had a standard commentary and if it had showed up on youtube or something but it hadn't so I kept looking and eventually came across a website called 'The Bootleg Director' which claimed to feature director commentary for a variety of movies but, in actuality, it's some dumb guy and his friend (allegedly industry insiders, but they prove to be quite uniformed in a lot of cases, which is maybe proof that they work in the industry since fans would be more knowledgeable) and I had to turn off the Inception commentary once they claimed that the second act started 20 minutes into the film, which is ludicrous unless you think like cut'n'shut and that many films have 7 acts, but I sympathize because I think Inception's narrative is rather complex and I haven't done the mental gymnastics to try to reason out where the act breaks are in Inception.

Which brings me to my question: What are the act breaks in Inception?

And another question: Does anyone know who the bootleg director is?

And question #3: Don't listen to the bootleg director. 

You can watch the enhanced special features without watching the movie. But that's not the point.

I can tell you that the Bootleg Director is not me, that much I know.

As for act breaks, I'd break it down like this:

Act 1: Extraction and Building the Dream Team
Act 2: The first two levels of the Dream
Act 3: The snow level / Limbo

I might even be convinced that Limbo might be the entire third act. It definately ties up all of the plot points.

xhonzi said:

Which brings me to my question: What are the act breaks in Inception?

And another question: Does anyone know who the bootleg director is?

And question #3: Don't listen to the bootleg director.