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Actual Inception discussion time:

OK, help me figure this out. In the first level, they have the PASIV (Portable Automated Somnacin IntraVenous, actual name) device, which I can understand. Everyone is plugged into it, drugs put them under, something in the machine ties their subconsciouses together. I get that. It almost makes sense. What I don't get is the levels under that.

So the architect (or dreamer), puts a PASIV device in the dream, which allows them to fall asleep in the dream and dream another layer. But its already a dream, meaning this PASIV device is imaginary. Is it like the Matrix, that if they believe it hard enough it makes it real? I don't understand how imaginary drugs can put you to sleep in a dream that you KNOW is imaginary!

Morpheus said:

Your mind makes it real.

Akwat Kbrana said:

Morpheus said:

Your mind makes it real.

True, but I didn't get the impression that the extractors could influence the dream-world to the extent that the Matrix rebels could. I mean, what's-her-name was able to play around with the laws of physics, rearrange the topography, and change architecture at will, but she still "died" when she got stabbed by Leo's imaginary wife. So apparently there are some "dream-rules" that are unalterable?

Sorry, it's just that that image is soooo universally applicable.

Um... I'm not sure.  I think that it's just as real as the floors they walk on.  Really, if they're all "the one" then they should be able to fly, walk through walls, etc. without regard to any "thing" in the dreamscape.

xhonzi said:

Um... I'm not sure.  I think that it's just as real as the floors they walk on.  Really, if they're all "the one" then they should be able to fly, walk through walls, etc. without regard to any "thing" in the dreamscape.

What are your theories on the end?  Real or not real?

If you vote real, then your argument is fairly complete.

But, if you vote not real, then you have to speculate- when did the unreality begin?  Before the movie?  Coming out of Limbo with Mal?  Going into Cillian Murphy's dream, layer #1?  What?

I think it's real, for two reasons:

First [projected, a priori-influenced] reason: the totem totally starts to waver just before we cut to the credits, creating the impression that it's about to fall.

Second [actual, honest] reason: I'm a sucker for a happy ending.

That's part of the argument against.  There are 2 actors playing each kid, so therefore it's possible they meant the kids to age 2 years between his memories and the ending of the film.

Yes, I've watched for it, two sets of actors, SIMILAR clothes, but not identical. They just happened to be digging the same spot years later.

And Christopher Nolan says the top fell, so there's that.

I actually think it would be pretty hard to notice in the movie itself... unless you watch the credits.

credits on imdb.com:

 Claire Geare ...  Phillipa Cobb - 3 years
 Magnus Nolan ...  James Cobb - 20 months

 Taylor Geare ...  Phillipa (5 years)
 Johnathan Geare ...  James (3 years)

It sure seems like they're wearing the same clothes and taking the same actions.  Almost to give you the sense that something is off and it is probably fake... but giving you older actors so that it's not completely obvious.

You need to go deeper.  ;)

xhonzi said:

You need to go deeper.  ;)

Oh yeah? Well Frink's mo-

Umm...erm...y'know, I've done too many of these today. Someone else want to take this one?

all this discussing about the movie kinda makes me wanna see Inception.

...kinda.

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