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hairy_hen said:

The vast majority of anime is rubbish.

 Yeah, I agree with that opinion too.

THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT ANIME THAT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE

There is a lot of great anime around, but usually you have to hunt for it. The majority brought to the US and Europe is the lower quality stuff that people think is more "suitable to the audience". Generally though the linework is better than western animation regardless of the varied genres or stories.

[SPOLIER] In the End Of Evangelion all of humanity becomes an ocean of LCL because of AT fields (?). Then our main character strangles the girl he masturbated to earlier in the movie.

IamLam said:

There is a lot of great anime around, but usually you have to hunt for it. The majority brought to the US and Europe is the lower quality stuff that people think is more "suitable to the audience". Generally though the linework is better than western animation regardless of the varied genres or stories.

 Yeah, it's the exact same thing that happens with Hollywood blockbusters.  They are made these days to have wide appeal by having simple stories and as little dialog as possible so people in China can follow them, it's why Micheal Bay's "films" have made more money then all other films every made combined.

Still you wouldn't say film is a trash art form and say there is no artistic worth to Citizen Kane just because Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was made to appeal to other countries and is one of the biggest hits of all time.

The same is true of Anime.

Some other favorites of mine are The Big O, Full Metal Alchimest, The original Mobile Suit Gundam,Neo Genesis Evengelion., and the movie Akira, just to name a few.

There is lots of great stuff out there and writing off the whole out put because of the bad stuff is just silly.  Also just by virtue of the fact that Anime isn't only made for grade school kids means that there is more verity to it then american animation.

I hate that Hollywood is pandering to the Chinese nowadays. Most films in the multiplexes nowadays are just formalities to be sent to China a few months later.  At least it hopefully won't last long.

Well if the housing speculators bubble ever bursts then the Chinese middle class(what is driving the Chinese movie market and the reason Hollywood films are really made for China right now)will be pretty much wiped out, so I don't think it will last since no bubble of this type ever does.

Still I wouldn't wish that on anyone just to get better movies, it just seems like the most likely end to this trend.

imperialscum said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

 Yeah, it's the exact same thing that happens with Hollywood blockbusters.  They are made these days to have wide appeal by having simple stories and as little dialog as possible so people in China can follow them, it's why Micheal Bay's "films" have made more money then all other films every made combined.

No offence but this is an ignorant claim.

First, films are either fitted with subtitles or synchronised. So claiming that dialogue/story is simplified so that people who don't speak English can understand it is absurd. And even if this was the case (which is not), why would you suddenly blame Chinese market? Far larger market existed/exists in Europe for decades where for example French, Italian, Spanish audience were/are on average very bad at English.

Secondly, Michael Bay has been making bad films since forever. Recent appearance of Chinese market really had no influence on his filmmaking.

Lastly, majority of people everywhere seem to like current mainstream Hollywood films. And that is the sole reason why they continue to make such films.

 Sorry but according to everything I have read from insiders there is a lot of pressure to make the big budget movies as simple and dialog free as possible and the business reason is China.  It is the big market right now.  All of Bay's recent "films" would have been box office failures if it were not for the Chinese market, it is what is pushing them over the top.

Why do you think so many films these days have last minute rewrites to place at least some of the action in Hong Kong or China, even when the rest of the story takes place in New York, LA, or some fictional city?  It's because the Chinese government restricts the number of movies from the US that can be shown in Chinese theaters every year, but if you film part of your movie in China then it will get a release.

Yes there are a lot of people who like the big budget blockbusters of recent years in the US but not enough to cause them to make a profit with budgets around $200 million. Remember that means that the films would have to gross at least $400 million in the US in order to break even and very few of them do that these days, it's China and it's boom market that pushes them over the top and makes them money makers so that is the market that is being catered to at the moment. It is just good business.

Yes there are subtitles and dubs, but just like over hear where dubs and subtitles into English are not always of the best quality, the same is true of dubs and subtitles from English into Chinese where there are two major dialects.  The more dubbing or subtitling that has to be done the more it costs, so keeping as little dialog as possible not only adds to the appeal of the movies in other markets but it helps keep costs(which are already out of control)down.  Again, it's nothing sinister, it's just good business.

I have nothing against the Chinese(I have an uncle who is Chinese and I like him)I was just pointing out that the reasons a lot of people think movies are trash are the same reason people think a lot of Anime is trash, but it's silly to write off both just because of this.  That is all I was saying.

Chinese food is trash.

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Did I do it right?

EyeShotFirst said:

^I love Chinese food...take it back!!

 It depends on the authenticity. Real Chinese food is too exotic and regional for American tastes.

Anybody every seen Mushi-shi?  It's a great anime and it actually has a great dub.  The actors emote correctly and the english wording seems natural and everything!

bkev said:

Bebop transcends the label of anime.  It's just good TV.  It manages to be a space western without relying only on tropes belonging to those kinds of shows, and I might even say it does at least one episode for each possible genre classification.  That's what happens when a show is character-based, they can go outside of your average barriers.

 I just got the CB blu-rays and am re-watching it for the first time since 2000-ish.  The only thing I can think of now is: was Joss influenced by this when he cooked up Firefly?  The similarities and overlapping themes are striking, but CB was pretty new and somewhat obscure when Firefly was in development.

Fourth for Cowboy Bebop.

bkev said:

I'm glad this thread got derailed so quickly :P

This is one thread which deserves a good derailing. 

generalfrevious said:

Fourth for Cowboy Bebop.

 Yeah everyone should watch CB at least once.

Oh and I just remembered another great one, Death Note.  I don't know how that one slipped my mind.