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Nothing Matters Anymore. Climate Change/Global Warming Will Drive Humans To Extinction In A Matter Of Decades

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I know you all think it ridiculous that I believe humanity will be dead by 2100. But it's a fact that runaway climate change is happening now thanks to everyone involved. My home state California is in its fourth year of drought with no end in sight; within a decade 38 million people will have to leave the state for good because the drought will still be going. No one can survive a wet bulb temperature above 95 degrees Farenheit, and yet most areas with much of the world's population will have climates that surpass this threshold. The only solution is to erase the last 250 years of technological progress and evacuate to either the poles or another planet. But this will never be done because of the energy industry and the sheer impossibility of carrying this solution out. So by 2100 the human race, along with most organisms more advanced than simple multicellular plants and animals, will be completely dead.

What a shit fortune to be alive at this time in history.

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So Jesus will come back sooner than later.
How cool is that?

See what I did there?

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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generalfrevious said:

So by 2100 the human race, along with most organisms more advanced than simple multicellular plants and animals, will be completely dead.

This projection is quite unrealistic. I think you greatly underestimate the human race and other advanced organisms.

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The Solar System will become much more impoverished: eight planets and no intelligent life. 

If you follow the news on climate change they are predicting global temperature rises much higher than expected: just 5-6 years ago they expected a 2 degree Celsius increase, and today it's more like a 10 degree increase by century's end. By 2020 it could be 15,20, or even 30 degree increase in the same period. The warming of permafrost will release more CO2 and methane, which will multiply the effects much more than even the best scientists will expect with the best accuracy. There will be mass extinctions of vital crops like corn and wheat, fresh water will become more and more scarce in the space of a few year, and then there will be massive cholera and malaria epidemics as a result. It will literally take millions of years for nature to reabsorb the CO2 emissions we have pumped into the atmosphere in the last 50 years alone. In geologic terms this destruction of all multicelluar life is not just quick, it's faster than  instantaneous, it's as if all matter in a 50 mile radius just vanished in one ten trillionths of a second.

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Well I am more concerned about the exponential growth of human population. When we will come to some breaking point we will probably just nuke each other and the problems you are referring to will become non-existent.

真実

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generalfrevious said:

If you follow the news on climate change they are predicting global temperature rises much higher than expected: just 5-6 years ago they expected a 2 degree Celsius increase, and today it's more like a 10 degree increase by century's end. By 2020 it could be 15,20, or even 30 degree increase in the same period.

For those of you wondering who "they" are, please see the guy in the coattails below:

 

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What the fuck is going on with this forum.

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Possessed said:

What the fuck is going on with this forum.

 I'm just telling people we are the end of humanity thanks to man-made GLOBAL WARMING (don't listen to the oil companies, they are fueling the denial). It worse than we thought, and will destroy us much sooner than we thought. We can't squeeze our way out of this one; we have already gone off the cliff. Detonating every nuclear weapon that exists right now will be nothing compared to the destructive power of carbon dioxide. This planet will be hotter than Venus by this time two hundred years from now.

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

WE'RE ALREADY DEAD

No use bitching about how bad Disney and JJ Abrams is going to ruin Episode VII with cross bladed lightsabers.

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It's a shtick.

Well done, general.  (But don't let the fact that you're made stop you.  I'm liking the bit.)

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generalfrevious said:

Possessed said:

What the fuck is going on with this forum.

 I'm just telling people we are the end of humanity thanks to man-made GLOBAL WARMING (don't listen to the oil companies, they are fueling the denial).

Hahaha, great pun!

The blue elephant in the room.

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Darth Id said:

It's a shtick.

Well done, general.  (But don't let the fact that you're made stop you.  I'm liking the bit.)

 I didn't mean for it to be a joke. It's more like a nervous breakdown that others are laughing at. The end of the human race within my lifetime is a very serious threat, and like I said, we can't (or won't) solve it. 

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Maybe if a significant portion of the scientific community shared your pessimistic appraisal, I'd take you seriously. As it is, though, you -- and probably a small number of other Chicken Littles running about the dark bowers of the 'Net -- are the only one saying Earth'll become a second Venus will a few short decades, so I'm not going to take this -- or anything else you say, for that matter -- as anything more than nihilistic hysteria.

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Well this "nihilistic hysteria" is the truth, whether you like it or not. And yes, the sky is falling thanks to our discovery of fossil fuels.

I can feel climate change happening just by stepping outside. I can see it in the brown lawns that used to be green just a few months ago. There is no longer any snow on our mountaintops here. I can see the denial being repeated in my own family by saying Global Warming is a hoax. The people living in Kiribati and the Maldives will be without homes ten years from now. Florida will be swallowed up by the Atlantic soon after that, and the rest of the American South will be too hot to live on. The marine food chain is being destroyed from the ground up due to acidification of the oceans; the coral reefs are bleaching before our eyes. The rising sea levels are happening NOW, and are quickly wiping out whatever fresh water we have left. THIS year will promise to be one of the hottest years on record, only to surpassed by next year: the top ten hottest years record were all in the last decade. Extinction rates are the fastest they have ever been since the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago.

WE CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT FOOD AND WATER YET WE DESTROYING OUR FOOD AND WATER. 

ON A SCALE OF 1 TO 10 WE ARE AT 11 AND WE'RE NOT EVEN TO THE WORST OF IT. 

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Just google climtae change & human extinction. It will lead to articles on Vice, Mother Jones, Slate, Salon, National Geographic, etc. that's all the credibility I need. No one can be too hysterical when existential threats are on the line.

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Don't forget that life thrived during the Mesozoic era in spite of higher CO2 levels and temps than we have now. Not saying the climate isn't changing, just that the earth can take it far better than you seem to think.

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I don't see human existance coming to an end, but I do expect some serious and uncomfortable problems popping up within the next 30-50 years.  When the balance of nature kicks in and what we're doing gets "balanced", that just can't go well for us.

"Close the blast doors!"
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And then there is that nasty Fukushima radiation killing the Pacific Ocean.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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FanFiltration said:

And then there is that nasty Fukushima radiation killing the Pacific Ocean.

Oh yes, Fukushima is killing Pacific Ocean. What about countless of nuclear bomb detonations across the pacific islands?

真実

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imperialscum said:

FanFiltration said:

And then there is that nasty Fukushima radiation killing the Pacific Ocean.

Oh yes, Fukushima is killing Pacific Ocean. What about countless of nuclear bomb detonations across the pacific islands?

 And also here in Nevada just 60 miles north of me, the landscape is pitted with atomic test craters. The plumes of fallout from the Nevada tests blew east over Utah. The Salt Lake City area of Utah is still the leukemia capitol. Also, the fallen radiation into the Utah desert is said to be responsible for the cancer and deaths of many of the cast and crew of the film "The Conqueror",  including John Wane.

From Wikipedia:

Cancer controversy

See also: Downwinders—Health effects of nuclear testing

The exterior scenes were shot on location near St. George, Utah, 137 miles (220 km) downwind of the United States government's Nevada National Security Site. In 1953, extensive above-ground nuclear weapons testing (11 total) occurred at the test site as part of Operation Upshot-Knothole. The cast and crew spent many difficult weeks on location, and in addition Hughes later shipped 60 tons of dirt back to Hollywood in order to match the Utah terrain and lend verisimilitude to studio re-shoots.[5] The filmmakers knew about the nuclear tests[5] but the federal government reassured residents that the tests caused no hazard to public health.[12]

Director Dick Powell died of cancer in January 1963, seven years after the film's release. Pedro Armendáriz was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 1960, and committed suicide in June 1963 after he learned his condition had become terminal. Hayward, Wayne, and Moorehead all died of cancer in the 1970s. Cast member actor John Hoyt died of lung cancer in 1991. Skeptics point to other factors such as the wide use of tobacco — Wayne and Moorehead in particular were heavy smokers. The cast and crew totaled 220 people (although IMDB lists a much smaller number). By the end of 1980, as ascertained by People magazine, 91 of them had developed some form of cancer and 46 had died of the disease. Several of Wayne and Hayward's relatives also had cancer scares as well after visiting the set. Michael Wayne developed skin cancer, his brother Patrick had a benign tumor removed from his breast and Hayward's son Tim Barker had a benign tumor removed from his mouth.[12][13]

Dr. Robert Pendleton, professor of biology at the University of Utah, stated, "With these numbers, this case could qualify as an epidemic. The connection between fallout radiation and cancer in individual cases has been practically impossible to prove conclusively. But in a group this size you'd expect only 30-some cancers to develop. With 91 cancer cases, I think the tie-in to their exposure on the set of The Conqueror would hold up in a court of law." Indeed, several cast and crew members, as well as relatives of those who died, considered suing the government for negligence, claiming it knew more about the hazards in the area than it let on.[12][14]

However, the odds of developing cancer for men in the U.S. population are 43 percent and the odds of dying of cancer are 23 percent (38 percent and 19 percent, respectively, for women).[15] This places the cancer mortality rate for the 220 primary cast and crew very near the expected average; but, this would assume that few new cancers or cancer-related deaths have occurred among cast and crew members since 1980. These data are unavailable.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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darth_ender said:

Don't forget that life thrived during the Mesozoic era in spite of higher CO2 levels and temps than we have now. Not saying the climate isn't changing, just that the earth can take it far better than you seem to think.

Yeah, but humans (or current human civilization) simply can't exist with lethal temperatures and saturated CO2 levels. Even the mesizoic had more plant life than we have now, and that's being wiped out as we speak. Without land plants you can't have animal life, PERIOD. Anyone who thinks otherwise, or believes it wont be that bad, is under the payroll of the energy lobby. You can't have modern society if the wet bulb temperature is above lethal in half the world.

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Having experienced the hysteria that was the Global Cooling scare of the 70s and early 80s (where the Secretary General of the UN even made so bold as to declare we had been irrevocably committed to sustained cooling), I have to be at the very least cynical that Global Warming was to begin only a decade or two afterwards.

I am by no means a Global Warming denier, but I am a skeptic of all things doom and gloom.

1) I recall the prediction that we would have exhausted the worldwide supply of tungsten by the late 1990s.

2) I recall be schooled that we would exhaust our fossil fuels by the year 2010.

3) I recall reading an old history text that warned that the world was running dangerously short of coal back in the 1880s...

4) And how many distopian predictions were there during the height of the Cold War that mankind would be long gone prior to the advent of the year 2000?

5) And might we have forgotten the Y2K computer bug that was set to erase all technological progress?

This is not to say that care is not warranted and excesses should not be curbed, but rather it is an observation that the medias love nothing more than a hysterical public, and will typically do whatever it requires to keep them agitated...their cash-flow depends upon it.

This is why there are few in-depth investigations into the unlikelihood (or even relative lack of importance) of any of the above examples coming to pass while the hysteria is in full gear. It is also why the positive balance to such negativity is rarely offered.

To give some fair examples of solutions and/or assuagements from your concern of global warming:

1) To contend with California's impending drought, it need look no further than the existing technology of desalinization. Yes, water will cost more, but likely it is currently undervalued anyway so it will encourage conservation. Further, with increased familiarity with the systems it is not unreasonable to assume prices will descend with time. 

2) If GW actually happens:

a) There should be a great deal more arable land opened up in countries whose grounds are currently permafrost.

b) CO2 levels in the atmosphere are currently at their lowest levels in hundreds of millions of years...increasing that CO2 will increase the rate of plant growth according to experiments conducted at greenhouses worldwide (as an aquaculturist I frequently must contrive to raise CO2 in my habitats in order to spark lush plant growth). Increased growth will serve to trap higher levels of carbon in the fibers, roots, and trunks of plants, removing it from the atmosphere...as it has been doing for hundreds of millions of years... 

c) Increasing temperature increases habitat diversity and range. 

d) Increased temperature allows for a greater level of humidity...which may naturally lead to greater cloud cover, which may lead to less skin cancer.

Further, greater cloud cover would potentially reject more solar energy due to the higher refractive index of water crystals in the high atmosphere and the lighter color of clouds relative to that of the ground...

e) A higher global temperature should reduce heating costs and the combustion of fossil fuels...

f) Historically, periods of warmth have been strongly linked to periods of decreased global hostilities due to the increase in crop yields.

g) As the percentage of Oxygen in the atmosphere is displaced by CO2 it is expected that forest fires should be fewer, smaller, and more frequently doused by increased rainfall.

Certainly many of these items could be debated (something for which I have no inclination as they are merely presented to demonstrate that one-sided discussions often limit their scope to the worst-case scenarios to the exclusion of the rest of reality), but the point at hand is that far from being the worst news imaginable, Global Warming at worst likely offers the world new opportunities to try different things...and, in my humble opinion, is certainly far better than the previous worry: the threat of a new ice age, now overdue, that would shrink arable land and humanity's ability to survive to only a few hospitable zones...so cheer up!

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