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To me anyone that's the age of 2-17 is a kid. So that's where I'm coming from. I agree there's a huge difference in tone from the OT to the PT. But there's a huge plot difference too. Mainly the OT is about a story of characters brought together that fight together (Leia, Han, Luke, Chewbacca, R2, C3PO).

The PT focuses a lot more on individual relationships more so than the group dynamic (Anakin-Padme, Obi-Wan-Anakin). There's more investment in those types of intimate relationships. Lucas always has said he thought the OT was the most interesting part of the story. That's why he made SW first.

I'm not the type of fan that's all hyped up on the story as much as many are. At least when SW is concerned. I'm in love with the universe of SW. The storylines are what makes it more real.
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Amaury Sanderson said:

Sorry to say that but every UE things are...stupid.


Sorry to say but post you make is...ignorant.
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I'm rather indifferent to this here Clone Wars cg show. The multimedia clone wars thing was kind of where I prefer to leave it. Once ROTS came out that was sort of it. On to the live action show.
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Well, this forum is a little different than others. The original trilogy's restoration gets further ignored because this cartoon (more specifically, the toys and t-shirts and paper plates that go with it) is considered more important and worthwhile, so it kind of already has that strike against it for me. But it looks like a decent kids' show, I'll watch it (for free on TV).
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is exactly the issue. Hearing that news in early May of '06 made me so happy. I mean, I was about to go back to working at the Lego store for the summer, and even though I knew I was going to be back at school in September it was still something that made me, I dunno, proud. The dvd release of the original versions and lego star wars: the original trilogy on the same day.

Then digitalbits broke the bad news.

I remember at one point over that summer explaining to one of my coworkers how 16:9-enhanced video worked since I'd learned all about it a couple years earlier. As I said before, I was back at school by the time the release date rolled around. Ever since then it's like there've been fewer and fewer reasons to actually pay for anything Star Wars. Hey, I might've actually been interested in the lego videogame if we hadn't gotten the finger with that laserdisc transfer, but nope, that possibility was now gone. Then, when I'm working over this past winter, we get toys from both Force Unleashed and The Clone Wars a good EIGHT MONTHS before they're due.

Really?

Then just the other day I hear that Dark Times is getting put on hiatus after the remaining scheduled issues, and that was the only comic book I was still following. This show will be on tv, and presumably so will the live action show. Barring the possibility of picking up force unleashed for ps2, I'm pretty much done with it.

The way I look at it is that the more I'm not spending on this stuff is the more I'm saving for the box set that we all know is going to happen eventually.
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Fang Zei said:

The way I look at it is that the more I'm not spending on this stuff is the more I'm saving for the box set that we all know is going to happen eventually.


What if the box set also neglects the OOT? You can't keep not-buying Star Wars stuff forever!
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Johnboy3434 said:

What if the box set also neglects the OOT? You can't keep not-buying Star Wars stuff forever!


Well there ya go.

I just won't buy it then. But seriously, I can't imagine them throwing in hours upon hours of documentaries per each film and not including what's been on all of our minds.
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A box set of 6 movies plus extras, released by Fox, will be 75- 100 bucks. More for Blu-Ray. To charge that for something that has Hayden Christensen's costume fittings but not the actual movie that started everything is too retarded to comprehend. So it'll probably happen.
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Johnboy3434 said:

..... You can't keep not-buying Star Wars stuff forever!


I'm sorry, what does that even mean?


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I think he means that if LFL continues denying the OOT eventually we will crack and just accept the SE as a watchable form.
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Not necessarily the SE, but Star Wars products in general. Books, comics, collectible drinking cups ("Meesa thirsty!"), etc.

You know, I would laugh so frickin' hard if he included the '97 SE's as special features on the Blu-Ray release, but left out the OOT.
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If Lucas doesn't do it himself, some time in the next 1-2 years,somebody will have made a perfectly good bootleg of the original or original-ish version, so there will be no need to watch the special editions. (if I had the skill and equipment, I'd do a mini version of something like the X0 project and just clean up the 10 or 20 most important "lost shots" enough so they could intercut reasonably well with the 2004 dvd. then I'd sync it up with the 2006 dvd soundmix and move on with my life!)
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Star Wars Revisited came very close to achieving a "virtual OOT" preservation by using the HD SE and de-volving it through sophisticated rotoscoping and compositing so that it matched close to the original version. He didn't go all the way because he wanted to keep some SE thing, but if he wanted to he probably could have. I propose the completion of this as the future of OOT preservations, sourced from HD versions.
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Baronlando said:

If Lucas doesn't do it himself, some time in the next 1-2 years,somebody will have made a perfectly good bootleg of the original or original-ish version, so there will be no need to watch the special editions. (if I had the skill and equipment, I'd do a mini version of something like the X0 project and just clean up the 10 or 20 most important "lost shots" enough so they could intercut reasonably well with the 2004 dvd. then I'd sync it up with the 2006 dvd soundmix and move on with my life!)


I wish I knew how to do this, but I will be honest if someone could just re-edit the Han Shooting first scene and the ROTJ Ending with the Shaw Ghost with the 2004 DVD editions, I would be satisfied. Those are the only scenes I truly hate, as the others I could live with.
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"They're gonna make Star Wars look stupid with all the stupid movies that come out. But it's not, if you just watch the three originals."

That's what my 9-year-old daughter just said upon watching that Clone Wars trailer, with no prompting from me.

Out of the mouths of babes....

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Much of the damage done by the special editions was through additional shots, and those would lift right out. When the official site ran that exhaustive "what's different" article, I counted how many "lost" shots would be needed to make a 1977-ish version of the first movie. It was only about 15! And Revisted already did one of them! (the big dinosaur in front of the landspeeder).
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I once thought as you guys did, until I started poking around in the preservations forum.

To do a complete de-volving of the SE's it takes more than lifting out a few shots and scenes.

The biggest thing is to restore the colours of the OOT using the 04 dvds. As explained here with some screenshot comparisons.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Auto-correction-from-SE-colours-to-GOUT-colours/topic/6732/

The biggest example of this is removing the blue tint from ESB. This also serves to match the 04 dvd footage with the GOUT footage.

Little things like the realignment of horizons in SW I could live with out but the people undertaking these projects are pretty thorough. If you're going to do it you might as well do it properly. There's even a few SE things from SW I'd leave in but I don't have the tools or know how.

The things some people have done like removing the cg Rontos (sp?) from Mos Eisley is incredible. Even things like restoring the lighsaber blade colours.

Paulisdead's Vintage edits are the projects I'm watching closest.

They can be read about here:

SW Vintage Edit: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-The-Vintage-Edit/topic/8069/page/1/

ESB Vintage Edit: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Empire-Strikes-Back-The-Vintage-Edit/topic/7634/

I recommend checking them out, even to just look at the screenshots. It's amazing.

To quickly summarise, ESB was the first project he tackled. It's not perfect and in the future he wants to do a v2.0. SW is the one he's working on at the moment but is not yet finished. I guess ROTJ will follow next.

edit: And as far as I know Paulisdead is using HD broadcasts as his source.

If I've made any mistakes please correct me as I'm mearly a lay-man.

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Johnboy3434 said:

Not necessarily the SE, but Star Wars products in general. Books, comics, collectible drinking cups ("Meesa thirsty!"), etc.

You know, I would laugh so frickin' hard if he included the '97 SE's as special features on the Blu-Ray release, but left out the OOT.


Now this just serves to confuse me even more.

Are you saying if Lucasfilm doesn't release the OOT, eventually those fans holding out for the OOT will start buying ancillary products instead?

Why would that be the case?

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see you auntie said:

Now this just serves to confuse me even more.

Are you saying if Lucasfilm doesn't release the OOT, eventually those fans holding out for the OOT will start buying ancillary products instead?

Why would that be the case?


Well, if you're a Star Wars fan, the same old thing will get... well, old, eventually. Don't you ever get curious about, say, what's happening to Luke in the EU once every couple years, or how cool that model X-Wing would look hanging from your ceiling? Would you give all that up permanently because of your idealistic crusade?
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The thing about the Vintage Edit's is that they are SD. That was fine in 2006, but I think a true "preservation" should be HD, because not only is that competitive with the SE version available, but its the highest quality and truely does preserve the films in a form that will basically be permanent (ie not upgraded; I suppose in the future if there is a new master of the SE with improved coloring and black levels then that would be a better start source, or if there is a BluRay with improved compression, but otherwise I think a HD-based OOT from the current HD masters is, relatively speaking, a safe and permanent master that won't be made obsolete).

Not only that, the 2004 DVD's are not the best source for an SD version--SWRevisited shows what an improvement a custom HD-downconversion can do.

I am of course being nitpicky. But as you said, if you are going to do it, do it right.
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No not really, the OT doesn't get old for me.

I'm not much of a Star Wars fan in a modern sense. Maybe I'm more of a film enthusiast and Star Wars just happens to be one of my favourite films.

The last SW products I purchased were the 06 dvd's and the Lego Star Wars OT video game. Lego Star Wars the complete trilogy was recently given to me as a gift (I did want it). Ocassionally I pick up some merchandise here and there, mainly stuff from Japan.

And that serves me just fine. Personally I'm not boycotting anything. I'm not all of a sudden going to starting reading comic books, I've never purchased a comic in my life. Novels never interested me because ironically the stories never came from Lucas. So on and so on.

People have different tastes. I'm not interested in it. For those that are, who am I to approve or disapprove of it.

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zombie84 said:

The thing about the Vintage Edit's is that they are SD. That was fine in 2006, but I think a true "preservation" should be HD, because not only is that competitive with the SE version available, but its the highest quality and truely does preserve the films in a form that will basically be permanent (ie not upgraded; I suppose in the future if there is a new master of the SE with improved coloring and black levels then that would be a better start source, or if there is a BluRay with improved compression, but otherwise I think a HD-based OOT from the current HD masters is, relatively speaking, a safe and permanent master that won't be made obsolete).

Not only that, the 2004 DVD's are not the best source for an SD version--SWRevisited shows what an improvement a custom HD-downconversion can do.

I am of course being nitpicky. But as you said, if you are going to do it, do it right.


I edited my previous post, but did so before you made yours. As far as I'm aware the Vintage Edits are HD sourced (well at least SW is, not sure about ESB).

Considering the source material out there, what Paulisdead is doing is the best one could hope for. We'll at least it's the best I'm hoping for.

edit: I wanted to add I think Adywan's Revisited is awesome. I haven't seen it but have seen what he's done. I think it's what the special edition sholud be.

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Ah, I see ANH is being released in HD. Thats cool then. When he first started they were only SD. I guess ESB and ROTJ can be redone in HD at later dates but its great that ANH is being done in HD.
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I honestly don't mind.

SD might not be the current standard any more but even then I'd be happy with it. What's that saying? Beggars can't be choosers :)

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Dang, I wasn't aware of the Vintage project! Looks awesome.