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Johnboy3434 said:

see you auntie said:

Now this just serves to confuse me even more.

Are you saying if Lucasfilm doesn't release the OOT, eventually those fans holding out for the OOT will start buying ancillary products instead?

Why would that be the case?


Well, if you're a Star Wars fan, the same old thing will get... well, old, eventually. Don't you ever get curious about, say, what's happening to Luke in the EU once every couple years, or how cool that model X-Wing would look hanging from your ceiling? Would you give all that up permanently because of your idealistic crusade?


To the first question, no. To the second one, I've already given up purchasing anything PT related. As far as I'm concerned, that's my "protest". I buy OT items that I think look cool. In the last year, that's really only been a few ornaments. In fact, my wife even said "What about that one?" My response was "That's from the Prequels, I don't want it" Most everything else that gets released is PT related. Even if it looks a little cool, I do not purchase anything that is PT. If we ever get the OOT on Blu-ray, I may actually buy some of the PT items. Until then, forget it.
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I think I'll give the movie a chance. I sound like a true fanboy when I say this, but I always give Star Wars a chance. Yes, it probably won't be good. Yes, it is completely unnecessary. But If there's another chance to see lightsabers light up on the big screen, by golly, I'm going to be there to get the chills I always do when I hear that sound.

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Off on a slight tangent... It has nothing to do with the Clone Wars but I didn't want to start a new topic and it has to do with Jabba the Hutt and Tatooine.

I was thinking about some peoples criticism of ROTJ, something that I've only learnt about in the the last few years, that it's too much of a rehash of SW with the second Death Star etc, this had never occured to me previously.

Anyway previous to 1982 was there anything in the SW universe to suggest that Jabba the Hutt was a crime boss on Tatooine? Apart from the Jabba deleted scene from SW which places him on Tatooine.

I was thinking it was a curious decision to have Luke return home in ROTJ to rescue Han. Could the story have been as easily as written having Jabba a gangster of some other random lawless planet. And Greedo having tracked Solo across the galaxy to some backwater planet called Tatooine in SW.

Like I said it's just a curiosity. I still love ROTJ despite its few flaws. The Jabba's Palace/ Tatooine stuff was always one of my favourite parts of the trilogy as a kid. Nothing excites the inner child in me quite like Luke igniting his new lightsaber for the first time

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see you auntie said:

Off on a slight tangent... It has nothing to do with the Clone Wars but I didn't want to start a new topic and it has to do with Jabba the Hutt and Tatooine.

I was thinking about some peoples criticism of ROTJ, something that I've only learnt about in the the last few years, that it's too much of a rehash of SW with the second Death Star etc, this had never occured to me previously.

Anyway previous to 1982 was there anything in the SW universe to suggest that Jabba the Hutt was a crime boss on Tatooine? Apart from the Jabba deleted scene from SW which places him on Tatooine.

I was thinking it was a curious decision to have Luke return home in ROTJ to rescue Han. Could the story have been as easily as written having Jabba a gangster of some other random lawless planet. And Greedo having tracked Solo across the galaxy to some backwater planet called Tatooine in SW.

Like I said it's just a curiosity. I still love ROTJ despite its few flaws. The Jabba's Palace/ Tatooine stuff was always one of my favourite parts of the trilogy as a kid. Nothing excites the inner child in me quite like Luke igniting his new lightsaber for the first time


I feel this way too. My suspicion is that Jabba was never a native to Tatooine, but Lucas used the line in ESB "I'll meet you on Tatooine," as an excuse to place the Han rescue there. Mos Eisley is a space port after all--Han lands there, having come from wherever he was before, and Jabba and Greedo track him there. They weren't actually just living there, and by coincidence Han--supposedly avoiding them--just happens to cross paths with them. The line in ESB is not implied as where Jabba is--its just a rendevouz point when Luke gets out of the hospital. When Lando finds Han he will send Luke a signal and they will reunite on a remote planet--Tatooine.

If you look at the ESB dialog:

Lando: When we find Jabba the Hutt and that bounty hunter, we'll contact you...Princess, we'll find Han. I promise.

Luke: I'll be waiting for your signal...I'll meet you at the rendevouz point on Tatooine.

Lando and Chewie are going off to find Han. They don't know where Fett has taken him, because Jabba is just some gangster, not the ruler of Tatooine with a palace. So if they know Jabba lives on Tatooine, then why the big deal about finding and searching for Han? Tatooine is just a rendevouz place for when they finally track where Han has been brought. But maybe Lucas just wanted to simplify things so he just made it that they go to Tatooine because Jabba lives there and has this cool palace with muppets and aliens and it will be a cool action sequence that basically rehashes the cantina, only better.
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Uh Duh...

Prior to writing my last post I did think about the last scene is ESB and even watched it. Lando says "When we find Jabba the Hutt and that bounty hunter we'll contact you" and didn't mention Tatooine that was enough for me and I must have zoned out.

Oh well that answers my question. That probably indicates at least the direction of where the story was heading in '79. And considering the deleted scene from SW in George's mind Jabba was on Tatooine.

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Having Jabba on Tatooine also enables the former slacker farmhand Luke to return home a Jedi hero, so I'm good with it.
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Yup, Luke gets to come home to the cheering adoration of friends and family. His loving uncle and aunt, his grandmother, his best pals Biggs and Tank, the adoring Camie, those lovable sand people.

If there was a hero aspect to Luke's return, it was a very shallow one.
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This Jabba stuff is really fascinating. I don't think I ever really expected him to be on Tatooine either. I know I didn't expect him to have a gigantic palace (since he was a gangster), but the fact that he was based on Tatooine was something I just accepted because he was there.

It could be equally likely that he was a denizen of that general sector of space. He was certainly a rich guy with a lot of gangsters that followed him, and the idea of him being able to travel works. This could have actually been used in RotJ to make the beginning seem a bit less plodding and disconnected from the rest of the film. It could have been an interlude in the movie's primary story (instead of of the beginning). Hmmm.

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Yes it's probably that Jabba had a palace / dwelling on many a world outside republic control.

I never had a problem with him being being on Tatooine in ROTJ. Plus i love the skiff exchange between Luke and Han...

"I used to live here you know?"
"You're gonna die here you know?...Convenient"

the point is there is really no reason for either the republic or the CIS to be interested in Tatooine. Unless Anakin has gone rogue yet again.


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Johnny Ringo said:


the point is there is really no reason for either the republic or the CIS to be interested in Tatooine. Unless Anakin has gone rogue yet again.




I take it you haven't seen the trailer? Jabba's son is kidnapped and Yoda sends Anakin and the clones there to negotiate and rescue Jabba's son, or some ridiculous thing like that.
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zombie84 said:

Johnny Ringo said:


the point is there is really no reason for either the republic or the CIS to be interested in Tatooine. Unless Anakin has gone rogue yet again.




I take it you haven't seen the trailer? Jabba's son is kidnapped and Yoda sends Anakin and the clones there to negotiate and rescue Jabba's son, or some ridiculous thing like that.


Are you serious? Let me just say, HAHAHAHAHA! Why would the Republic give two shits about a crime bosses son? It just keeps getting better and better.
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lordjedi said:



Are you serious? Let me just say, HAHAHAHAHA! Why would the Republic give two shits about a crime bosses son? It just keeps getting better and better.


It's called Lucas-logic. If it doesn't make any sense, then it is happening in a GFFA!
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I like how you're judging the entire plot of the movie on one comment made in the trailer. That is an incredibly stupid thing to do. You ever think that the Republic might have something to gain by helping the Hutts? You know, something that might not be in the 2-minutes worth of disjointed scenes we have available? I don't need the Force to sense predetermined bias in your thought patterns.
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Johnboy3434 said:

I like how you're judging the entire plot of the movie on one comment made in the trailer. That is an incredibly stupid thing to do. You ever think that the Republic might have something to gain by helping the Hutts? You know, something that might not be in the 2-minutes worth of disjointed scenes we have available? I don't need the Force to sense predetermined bias in your thought patterns.


Johnboy the very premise itself, irrespective of whatever justification used, runs entirely counter to the portrayal and sensibilities of the other films that its entirely reasonable to expect people to judge this as "dumb" (dumb as in running counter to the story previously established). Same goes with the Clone Wars coming to Tatooine, let alone involving Jabba and this notion of him having a son.
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Johnboy3434 said:

I like how you're judging the entire plot of the movie on one comment made in the trailer. That is an incredibly stupid thing to do. You ever think that the Republic might have something to gain by helping the Hutts? You know, something that might not be in the 2-minutes worth of disjointed scenes we have available? I don't need the Force to sense predetermined bias in your thought patterns.


I don't need to be biased to know that giving so much importance to Tatooine is incompatible with the original portrayal of it as a poor, unimportant place. I also don't have to be biased to know that this makes the Star Wars universe into a smaller, more-repetitive place (and thus less entertaining).

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Johnboy3434 said:

I like how you're judging the entire plot of the movie on one comment made in the trailer. That is an incredibly stupid thing to do. You ever think that the Republic might have something to gain by helping the Hutts? You know, something that might not be in the 2-minutes worth of disjointed scenes we have available? I don't need the Force to sense predetermined bias in your thought patterns.


I am not really directing my comment towards you personaly, but if anyone has any faith that the Clone War movie or TV series will be well written is really going to be letdown.

Whether we like it or not, the PT and these Clone War Movie/TV was just not made for the OT generation of SW fans. If you really sit down and watch the PT, it is just terribly written and some of the plot points don't make a lick of sense, but as a kid, you won't notice that and the movies will be fun. As someone older you look at these movies, and you really have to laugh at how amateur they really are, and you have convince yourself when stupid plot points like Padme 'losing the will to live' and grasp to make any sense of it.

I think young kids will enjoy this new stuff, cause the SW universe is enjoyable in any carnation, but it is written for that audience now, and I have come to the conclusion that Lucas has really moved on from fans like myself who grew up with the OT movies, I am not going to buy the merchandise, the videogames, etc, as there are kids who will fill that cashcow.

In saying this, I believe most movies today are written like this, so I don't squarely put the blame on Lucas, as he is just doing what every other 'summer' blockbuster does: Cater to kids with an attention span of about 3 seconds, and if something doesn't make sense, wow them with CGI and action so they don't really care. Character development? Good Story? Who cares as long as it looks cool on screen!

I came from a generation of movies like Star Wars, Superman, Back to the Future, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and ET, those were the summer blockbusters from my time, and sure as kids we all enjoyed them and fell in love with them, but they were all written for an adult audience that kids could enjoy, sadly SW and most of the crap out there that comes out in the summer turn out to be the opposite.
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If you look at a lot of modern blockbusters the good ones are still like that CO; its not a generational thing. We just forget all the unmemorable ones from that same era--The Black Hole, Jaws 3, Rocky II, Death Wish 3, all those terrible Clint Eastwood movies, Smokey and the Bandit, etc.--because if you look at today there is, when you filter out the crap, a remarkable amount of blockbusters aimed at both kids and adults: Superman Returns, Spiderman 2, Batman Begins, Pirates of the Carribean, War of the Worlds, Lord of the Rings trilogy, Transformers, Harry Potter, Men in Black, Finding Nemo. Maybe these aren't quite as good as that late 70's-early 80's crop, but its not as dismal when you really look at the films that stand out, and thats always the way its been, kids of the current generation will be reminicing about the films I list there, not the disposable crap thats out every week. People always talk about the 70's as the golden age of American cinema, but if you actually go back and look at week-by-week the movies that all came out most of them were crap, movies like Taxi Driver and Annie Hall were the minority, but we just remember those ones.
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Zombie, I agree there is crap in every era of movies, but the ones you named are sequels, the originals were never cheesy. Of course there are great movies today: LOTR, The Matrix, Batman Begins, but those movies are either PG-13 or Rated R and kids just don't see them in the theater.

The tricky thing from the 70's/early 80's is that they were able to appeal to both markets. A movie like Star Wars worked for kids, but worked for adults/teenagers too, LOTR isn't trilogy I am going to show my 5 year old nephew.

I always pose this question about todays movies: How different would Jaws be if it were made in 2008? It would not be that adult, because they would be afraid of losing a market of young kids, you would have a guy like George Clooney or Brad Pitt be the star instead of a talented actor who isn't the 'sexiest man alive' like Roy Scheider. You would have dumb humor throughout, like bad one liners that hurt the movies seriousness. The director woudn't have the guts to show a little kid get eaten by a shark, not that I enjoy that moment in the movie, but it hits you at that point that the shark is a terror. And finally the movie would have a CG shark that would be transparent in 10 years and look.......like CG.

Jaws would be different in 2008, cause times are different, that's all I am saying. Every era I believe has a certain type of movie that succeeds: The 30's/40's had the sweeping lovestories like Gone With the Wind & Casablanca, The 50's/60's had the great epic movies like Ben Hur, Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia, the early 70's were gritty with The French Connection, Serpico, The Godfather, and the late 70's/early 80's had the 'summer blockbuster' type movies like Star Wars, Jaws, Raiders. I just happened to grow up in that time period, but those others ones I named still have great movies from their era.
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Zombie, I agree there is crap in every era of movies, but the ones you named are sequels, the originals were never cheesy. Of course there are great movies today: LOTR, The Matrix, Batman Begins, but those movies are either PG-13 or Rated R and kids just don't see them in the theater.

The tricky thing from the 70's/early 80's is that they were able to appeal to both markets. A movie like Star Wars worked for kids, but worked for adults/teenagers too, LOTR isn't trilogy I am going to show my 5 year old nephew.


Raiders is hardly a movie for five year olds and neither is Jaws; Jaws in fact would very likely be rated R without a few trims. BTTF, Raiders, maybe even Superman, would all be PG-13 movies today. I didn't list any R movies in the list I compiled. Men in Black is a perfect analogy to BTTF, for example, and its PG-13, just like BTTF likely would be today.

Maybe Jaws would be poorer made if it were filmed today, but its a sort of accident anyway, you can't plan classics like that they just happen. Today you have stuff like Pan's Labyrinth, which is on par as an adult fantasy film that expertly made and probably will never be repeated. I think movies like Batman Begins and LOTR show that there are an equal amount of character-oriented movies than can appeal to adults. I mean, in the 70's-80's what do you have? BTTF, ET, Star Wars trilogy, Raiders and Superman-Superman II. So thats eight movies. The rest of that era is mostly crap, worse crap than today in many cases, I'm afraid. Today you have LOTR trilogy, Pirates Trilogy, Superman Returns, Batman Begins, Men in Black, Spiderman 2, Harry Potter and its sequels, Chronicles of Narnia. Thats 12. And those films, I have to say, are about on par with the 70's-80's list. Maybe you can say the 70-80's bunch is still better, but if so then not by a whole lot, and I think thats the point I'm making--there are still great blockbusters being made, theres just more bad ones covering them up in the mix.
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zombie84 said:

Johnny Ringo said:


the point is there is really no reason for either the republic or the CIS to be interested in Tatooine. Unless Anakin has gone rogue yet again.




I take it you haven't seen the trailer? Jabba's son is kidnapped and Yoda sends Anakin and the clones there to negotiate and rescue Jabba's son, or some ridiculous thing like that.


Yeah. Maybe they can pay the kidnappers off with republic credits.

"Republic credits?!? Republic credits are no good out here. I need something more real..."

This makes perfect sense.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Yeah, so Anakin will have to participate in another podrace in order to get money that is worth something, he'll meet up with Watto to discover that he has rebuild Anakin's old pod (the one that was smashed up from the last race he had prior to EP.I), since Watto feel bad about selling Ani's mom to some crazy old man who lives out in the middle of nowhere, farming water of all things (I like how there is actually a seasonal water harvest) who let her be taken by biped animals while she was out alone picking the mushrooms that grow on the moisture vaporators. Since Watto feels bad, he let's Anakin pilot his pod with the promise of a certian percentage of the winnings. This time Anakin has to participate in a series of races to make enough money. Meanwhile, a new Sith Lord has been sending his mini probe droids all over the city in search of him. Finally he makes enough money and they head back to their ship in order to go and pay the ransom for the Hutt kid, when suddenly the Sith Lord swoops down on his Sith Super Speeder™. As Anakin senses the Sith presence he shouts out for his apprentice to "duck!", but it is too late. Her head is knocked clean off. Anakin fights the sith and wins, screams and cries about the death of his apprentice, then gets in his ship and pays the kidnappers. The Hutt is free, and someday his dad can attempt to kill Anakin's son. Credit roll. You heard it here first folks. The complete summary of the new movie.

You know, a lot of bad things can be said about Palpatine and his Galactic Empire, but their establishment of the Intergalactic Credit Exchange sure made a lot of peoples lives easier. I have a feeling Darth Vader had something to do with this (Dammit, everytime I go home I have to participate in some friggin race before I can buy any thing!)

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I think what everyone's missing here is that today's run of the mill crap is not usually done by well known actor's and director's. Batman Begins, The Matrix, and the others mentioned were done by people that were either new to the scene or wanted to stay faithful to the material.

Finding Nemo (to use someone else's example) was a movie done for adults that kids can love as well (just watch the commentary, they say exactly that in the commentary). So there's no reason why a movie can't appeal to both audiences and not be lame.

In the case of Clone Wars, we should expect and get a higher quality of movie than "a gangster's son is kidnapped and the Republic (who really has no reason to get involved) comes to the rescue". It's being done by the same man that did Star Wars. There are really very few glaring plot holes in ANH (why not shoot through Yavin instead of going around it, why not shoot down that escape pod, etc).

Yes, Lucas is making these for kids, but he's completely forgetting that kids aren't kids forever. They grow up and revisit the movies they loved as kids. When they go back to these movies they loved, they end up hating them and then they never want to watch them again because "I can't believe I use to like that movie". Then, when they become parents, some of them (like me) will simply just not show their kids these old movies because "That movie's dumb and I'm not letting my kid watch it".
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C3PX said:

Yeah, so Anakin will have to participate in another podrace in order to get money that is worth something, he'll meet up with Watto to discover that he has rebuild Anakin's old pod (the one that was smashed up from the last race he had prior to EP.I), since Watto feel bad about selling Ani's mom to some crazy old man who lives out in the middle of nowhere..............


Why would he do that? He'd use the same podracer as he did to win in Ep1. "That's crazy, Qui-Gon sold that podracer" I hear you say. Well George Lucas doesn't remember shit like that.

....He's too busy having money fights and playing with his computers. (j/k)

Actually I can't believe I remember shit like that.

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Oh yeah, I guess I was being a little too logical for a PT era film, they must have plot holes, it is their signiture.

McCallum: "We had to go back and redo the CG for the pod to make it look different than Anakin's pod in The Phantom Menace, because we kind of forgot Qui-gon sold that one already."

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My friend told me that he hopes a young Boba Fett will show up to help Anakin rescue Jabba's child (and thereby have the movie depict how Boba became a permanent employee of Jabba at a very young age). I think that would be awesome too. ;)

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