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Here's a good summation of ROBOCOP 2's history:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOOWqnxe4KE

 

I don't think the final film was really Miller or Kershner's fault, because:

 

A) Miller's script was heavily reworked.

B) Kershner was brought in at the last minute, and worked under difficult conditions.

 

Miller's original script was adapted into comic book form a few years back, and that version seems closer to the style of the first film. Bits and pieces of the script found their way into both ROBOCOP 2 and 3.

 

Of course, the cardinal sin of the sequel is that (not unlike EMPIRE) it hits the reset button. The first film was all about RoboCop escaping the control of his corporate masters, bringing his own killers to justice, and reclaiming his former identity.

By film's end, he's essentially reclaimed his human identity, although he's really no longer Alex Murphy or RoboCop. This unique cyborg entity must find his own destiny and identity from this point on.

There's also a subtle transition in the latter half of the film--Robo's speech mannerisms become more human, and the electronic processing of his voice gradually disappears.

The sequel turns him back into the "Thank-you-for-your-cooperation. Good-night." automation that everyone remembers so well from the first film, and half-heartedly retreads his quest to explore/regain his humanity.

The sequel is a patchy mess, although the novelization and comic help explain some of the plot holes.

 

I think that ROBOCOP is one of the best genre films of the 80s, and maybe even one of the best films of the 80s, period (along with other dark sci-fi films, like Cronenberg's THE FLY and THE TERMINATOR. Is anyone else heartbroken that Fox rejected Cronenberg's recently-proposed FLY sequel? I WANT TO READ THAT SCRIPT!!!!).

And it could only have been made by Paul Verhoeven, with his unique sensibilities. His outsider-looking-in perspective alowed him to make a film that brilliantly skewers the stupidity of American TV and Reaganomics.

The film works brilliantly on two levels--on the one hand, it's a perfect over-the-top satire, and on the other, it's a genuinely engaging action/sci-fi thriller with a real emotional core.

It amazes me how the film's two disparate tonalities work so well together.

For example:

Within minutes, we go from Kinney's hilariously over-the-top murder ("Does somebody want to call a G*** d*** paramedic?") to Murphy's absolutely horrifying (moreso in the unrated cut) torture and murder by Boddicker's gang.

And yet it all works perfectly.

(As an aside, that whole sequence--Murphy's mutilation and the doctors' attempts to save him--is absolutely brilliant. It's horiffic, surreal, and emotional, and it perfectly sets up RoboCop's character for the rest of the movie.)

 

The sequel utterly fails to recapture this balance. As a result, the humor seems too campy and forced, and the violence mean-spirited and existing for its own sake. And I tend to agree with Roger Ebert's disgust over Hob, a child who swears, uses guns, and gets killed. That feels really inappropriate for this kind of movie.

 

Unfortunately, ROBOCOP is one of those (many) films where anything after the first film fails miserably.

I would almost go so far as to say the same thing about STAR WARS. As much as I love EMPIRE, that's when the retcons and the gradual chipping away of the elegant simplicity of the original film began.

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LexX said:

Jeez guys, learn to spell Kershner's name right. He directed The Empire Strikes Back for crying out loud! LOL

RoboCop 2 sucked and Kershner directed it so if the story is true, I'd believe her. I agree about the elements she was talking about and RoboCop really took a bad turn there but then again, I don't know what direction would be the best. I think TESB was a great collaborative effort from everyone which made it so great. Kershner may have been a good director in it but having seen Never Say Never Again and RoboCop 2 I wouldn't say he's that great.

To be fair, both films were troubled productions. Give "Eyes of Laura Mars", (which Lucas screened before hiring Kershner) a spin sometime.

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Hey, that film is no exception either. Basically, Kershner started making one movie, but Faye Dunaway had another movie in mind. Kershner seems to regard the film with some regret, which is probably why it's so uneven.

Try watching Return of a Man Called Horse, Flim-Flam Man, Raid on Entebbe or The Luck of Ginger Coffey for Kershner at his best. To be honest, I always liked Never Say Never Again, it was a fun movie and a generally entertaining throwback to the Connery days. Granted it wasn't great or anything, but I never understoood the criticism. It was the best Bond film in the 80s and better than anything that had been done since the mid-70s IMO.

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To be honest, I always liked Never Say Never Again,

Paging captainsolo to the thread... paging captainsolo to the thread...

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Present!

Okay, taken for what it is, NSNA isn't that bad-especially considering the nightmare that was the making of process. Poor Kersh barely got the film cobbled together and out into theaters, which is how I honestly think this RB sequel went down as well. The extras on the latest NSNA release go into this and Kersh himself explained how much of a mess it was.

But it is a godawful film for a Bond fan, and really terrible as a movie. It's tired, uninspired, looks like a made for TV film, and the only bright spots are the few fleeting moments of Connery getting to go off script. Great actors portraying the villains who are just wasted. The script was hacked to pieces and put through numerous drafts by different teams of writers and it really shows. The effects are laughable. Kim Basinger is atrocious. You know it's bad when a crammed in ill-fitting Rowan Atkinson actually is interesting.

High points: an older more reflective Connery, an acerbic Q,  Bond driving a Bentley, the brief slow piano motif, the game of Domination, the psychotic Largo, Blofeld is revealed to be Max Von Sydow, and the smile Connery seems to have throughout the whole film.

Low points: everything else.

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It was the best Bond film in the 80s and better than anything that had been done since the mid-70s IMO.

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Granted they each have their own personalities and faults, but NSNA better than an classic EoN Bond film? Never! I'll admit I still enjoy A View to a Kill primarily because of childhood, but even that is better than this lame duck! And what about the positively smouldering Timothy Dalton in the brilliant The Living Daylights? NSNA is so dull, tepid, and bad that it makes the  year's official film Octopussy look like a masterwork in action/adventure film.

And in no way is a lame Connery a match for Roger Moore in his 70's era prime. Safari suit battle!

NSNA is like the prequels in that it was truly one of the most disappointing films of all time. Connery comes back to Bond again for this muck? The film would have been better if it had been rewritten and released as Shrublands: James Bond 007 Masseur.

Cue the awful NSNA title song. I get disgusted with myself every time this comes back on the end credits because I know that I have watched this stupid movie again and lost more time I won't be getting back.

You know, NSNA gets to me so badly that I realized despite all of the criticism Thunderball has gotten over the years, it's a very subliminal movie. There's a lot of depth in there that isn't immediately apparent. And NSNA makes you achingly yearn to be watching Thunderball.

But if you like it, then...you like it. (Shrugs.) But in no way, shape or form is it better than any of the official films from the 80's and prior.

Now back to Robocop 2. ;)

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Gregatron said:

Here's a good summation of ROBOCOP 2's history:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOOWqnxe4KE

 

I don't think the final film was really Miller or Kershner's fault, because:

 

A) Miller's script was heavily reworked.

B) Kershner was brought in at the last minute, and worked under difficult conditions.

 

Miller's original script was adapted into comic book form a few years back, and that version seems closer to the style of the first film. Bits and pieces of the script found their way into both ROBOCOP 2 and 3.

 

Of course, the cardinal sin of the sequel is that (not unlike EMPIRE) it hits the reset button. The first film was all about RoboCop escaping the control of his corporate masters, bringing his own killers to justice, and reclaiming his former identity.

By film's end, he's essentially reclaimed his human identity, although he's really no longer Alex Murphy or RoboCop. This unique cyborg entity must find his own destiny and identity from this point on.

There's also a subtle transition in the latter half of the film--Robo's speech mannerisms become more human, and the electronic processing of his voice gradually disappears.

The sequel turns him back into the "Thank-you-for-your-cooperation. Good-night." automation that everyone remembers so well from the first film, and half-heartedly retreads his quest to explore/regain his humanity.

The sequel is a patchy mess, although the novelization and comic help explain some of the plot holes.

 

I think that ROBOCOP is one of the best genre films of the 80s, and maybe even one of the best films of the 80s, period (along with other dark sci-fi films, like Cronenberg's THE FLY and THE TERMINATOR. Is anyone else heartbroken that Fox rejected Cronenberg's recently-proposed FLY sequel? I WANT TO READ THAT SCRIPT!!!!).

And it could only have been made by Paul Verhoeven, with his unique sensibilities. His outsider-looking-in perspective alowed him to make a film that brilliantly skewers the stupidity of American TV and Reaganomics.

The film works brilliantly on two levels--on the one hand, it's a perfect over-the-top satire, and on the other, it's a genuinely engaging action/sci-fi thriller with a real emotional core.

It amazes me how the film's two disparate tonalities work so well together.

For example:

Within minutes, we go from Kinney's hilariously over-the-top murder ("Does somebody want to call a G*** d*** paramedic?") to Murphy's absolutely horrifying (moreso in the unrated cut) torture and murder by Boddicker's gang.

And yet it all works perfectly.

(As an aside, that whole sequence--Murphy's mutilation and the doctors' attempts to save him--is absolutely brilliant. It's horiffic, surreal, and emotional, and it perfectly sets up RoboCop's character for the rest of the movie.)

 

The sequel utterly fails to recapture this balance. As a result, the humor seems too campy and forced, and the violence mean-spirited and existing for its own sake. And I tend to agree with Roger Ebert's disgust over Hob, a child who swears, uses guns, and gets killed. That feels really inappropriate for this kind of movie.

 

Unfortunately, ROBOCOP is one of those (many) films where anything after the first film fails miserably.

I would almost go so far as to say the same thing about STAR WARS. As much as I love EMPIRE, that's when the retcons and the gradual chipping away of the elegant simplicity of the original film began.

Really good write up mate, thoroughly enjoyed reading that. I'v never quite 'got' the over the top nature of Robocop 2 and at times it seems absurd with the extreme violence. But last summer in England there were a number of riots and with delinquents getting younger and younger in this country, a part of it did hearken back to Robocop 2.

Will watch the YouTube vid with the history of the film with interest.

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I liked Cobb as a child character much more than I liked Newt.

But I loved the Feral Kid in Mad Max 2 which probably says more about me than it does about any of those films.

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captainsolo said:

 It's tired, uninspired, looks like a made for TV film

same thing about ROTJ - what was it about so many 80s movies (worst movie decade ever) that had this look?  

Cue the awful NSNA title song.

 aw sheeeeeit...now I cant get that song out of my head :(

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Ironic that "Operation Kid Brother", AKA "Operation Double 007" (starring Sean's brother Neil!) feels more like a Bond flick than NSNA. ;)

What little I've seen of the NSNA fanedit was quite an improvement though.

I take great offense at the 80's being called worst movie decade ever. ;)

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I've always been a fan of Robocop 2. Never had an issue with it. But, then again, i first saw it when i was 12. I think I was the perfect age.

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walking_carpet said:

 what was it about so many 80s movies (worst movie decade ever) that had this look?  

:O  Worst movie decade ever?  did i read that correctly?  wow, i don't even know what to say...

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Cobra Kai said:

walking_carpet said:

 what was it about so many 80s movies (worst movie decade ever) that had this look?  

:O  Worst movie decade ever?  did i read that correctly?  wow, i don't even know what to say...

 nothin' personal.  just speaking the truth.

i firmly stand by my stance as 80s being worst movie decade ever!!  Even if the 2000s had PT and Transformers. 

your username is cobra kai - which means you like karate kid - which was pretty good.  but the problem is your views of 80s are skewed because you have fond memories of all the great and famous movies that came out in 1984- but that year was aberration. 

Sure, the 80s had 2 OT movies, ROTLA, Die Hard, Spielberg, john carpenter, Oliver Stone and cameron.  but thats not good enough.  Most were like death wish 3 and 4, iron eagle, Ghoulies and friday the 13th part III- which I can enjoy, but in an awesomely bad way.  80s had movies like out of africa, terms of endearment, rain man (which i like),  driving miss daisy, chariots of fire winning oscars.  those movies would have gotten pwned in 70s or 90s (do people still say 'pwn')

only exception is maybe the 80s had some good comedy movies with john candy, john hughes, eddie murphy, akroyd and murray-while the 70s had fewer and far between good comedies.

80s = worst movie decade.  now, if you'll excuse me, I got superman IV on - its the part where nuclear man takes mariel hemingway into outer space. 

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walking_carpet said:

Cobra Kai said:

walking_carpet said:

 what was it about so many 80s movies (worst movie decade ever) that had this look?  

:O  Worst movie decade ever?  did i read that correctly?  wow, i don't even know what to say...

 nothin' personal.  just speaking the truth.

i firmly stand by my stance as 80s being worst movie decade ever!!  Even if the 2000s had PT and Transformers. 

your username is cobra kai - which means you like karate kid - which was pretty good.  but the problem is your views of 80s are skewed because you have fond memories of all the great and famous movies that came out in 1984- but that year was aberration. 

Sure, the 80s had 2 OT movies, ROTLA, Die Hard, Spielberg, john carpenter, Oliver Stone and cameron.  but thats not good enough.  Most were like death wish 3 and 4, iron eagle, Ghoulies and friday the 13th part III- which I can enjoy, but in an awesomely bad way.  80s had movies like out of africa, terms of endearment, rain man (which i like),  driving miss daisy, chariots of fire winning oscars.  those movies would have gotten pwned in 70s or 90s (do people still say 'pwn')

only exception is maybe the 80s had some good comedy movies with john candy, john hughes, eddie murphy, akroyd and murray-while the 70s had fewer and far between good comedies.

80s = worst movie decade.  now, if you'll excuse me, I got superman IV on - its the part where nuclear man takes mariel hemingway into outer space. 

 the 70's rock:

star wars, jaws, close encounters of the third kind,

godfather, apocolypse now, clockwork orange,

alien just to name a few..

the 80's, not so much. and after that .... hmmmm.. blank...

 

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Even if the films of the 80s were on the whole not as good as the films of the 70s, I still wouldn't call the 80s the absolute worst decade for film. IMO, the last decade was much, MUCH worse overall. At least the 80s didn't have endless CGI, ADD editing, overuse of handheld/shaky-cam, or unrealistic high-contrast teal-and-orange color grading.

Back then we had lots of low-budget garbage, but now we have too much big-budget garbage. For example, you listed Death Wish 3 and 4, Ghoulies, and Friday the 13th Part III as examples of the "average" fare of the 80s. I'd still rather watch a braindead Golan-Globus action film, or a Charles Band horror film, or an 80s slasher film than a Michael Bay movie, or Final Destination, or Saw. I can actually physically tolerate the 80s stuff; the 2000s stuff hurts my eyes, hurts my ears, and hurts my head.

That's just my opinion.

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TServo2049 said:

Even if the films of the 80s were on the whole not as good as the films of the 70s, I still wouldn't call the 80s the absolute worst decade for film. IMO, the last decade was much, MUCH worse overall. At least the 80s didn't have endless CGI, ADD editing, overuse of handheld/shaky-cam, or unrealistic high-contrast teal-and-orange color grading.

Back then we had lots of low-budget garbage, but now we have too much big-budget garbage. For example, you listed Death Wish 3 and 4, Ghoulies, and Friday the 13th Part III as examples of the "average" fare of the 80s. I'd still rather watch a braindead Golan-Globus action film, or a Charles Band horror film, or an 80s slasher film than a Michael Bay movie, or Final Destination, or Saw. I can actually physically tolerate the 80s stuff; the 2000s stuff hurts my eyes, hurts my ears, and hurts my head.

That's just my opinion.

you maybe right about the big budget garbage. im tellin ya, movies need a "eric clapton unplugged" to do away with overproduction.

 i've been hearing a lot of this teal-orange thing.  can someone explain?  at first I thought it was too many movies having a blueish tint like Underworld.  I saw a link that explained it further, but not sure if I get it. 

besides, the 'flat' look of the 80s was the teal-orange of its time.  and I think the 2000s had many more great movies than the 80s.  plus there are a lot of foreign films and independent films that are great that weren't really around during the 80s (sheeit, there I go again...i know i've said this before..but where ??  :(   )

In fact, i think what helps 2000s is there just seems to be many more movies released overall - its easier to find something you like.  anyway to find out how many movies were released theatrically in a given year?  does IMDB have this?

to keep this on topic - robocop was one of the very best action-sci/fi movies of the 80s.  sadly, robocop 2 got the 90s off to a bad start.

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(In no particular order.)

Blade Runner

The Dark Crystal

E.T.

Conan The Barbarian

Gremlins

Most of the good Star Trek sequels with the original cast.

Tron

Back to the Future

Who Framed Roger Rabbit

Batman

And last, but not least, the only good Transformers movie! ;)

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(In no particular order.)

Blade Runner

The Dark Crystal

E.T.

Conan The Barbarian

Gremlins

Most of the good Star Trek sequels with the original cast.

Tron

Back to the Future

Who Framed Roger Rabbit

Batman

And last, but not least, the only good Transformers movie! ;)

 [ that averages to like 1.5 movies per year. :(   besides..gremlins is part of the great class of 84 that I mentioned,  and blade runner didn't become popular until 1991 ;P 

star trek V was crap, but I liked II.  star trek III is a weird one.  i was really excited for it - spock dying in part II was a huge deal to begin with. but just this idea of a group of people looking for a friend who needed help was something that stuck with me.  one of the reasons I still liked the jabba half of ROTJ even if it went on for too long. 

but part III didn't quite end up being like that (need to watch it again...its been almost 20 years).    still, it had cool moments - the enterpise blowing up, christopher lloyd as klingon,

and of course:

 "I...Have had...Enough...of you!!!" 

 bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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just off the top of my head...

Empire, Jedi, ET, Raiders, The Thing, Aliens, Die Hard, Predator, Terminator,  Ghostbusters, Ferris Bueller, Spinal Tap, Blade Runner, Breakfast Club, Amadeus, Big Trouble in Little China, Raising Arizona, Robocop, Princess Bride, Scarface, Christmas Story, Lost Boys, First Blood, Lethal Weapon, Beverly Hills Cop, Karate Kid, and a ton of other classics. 

And i pity the person that cant enjoy movies like Death Wish 3, Breakin,  and the countless other cheesy 80's movies that make this a truly unique decade in American cinema.

Plus Hong Kong produced a ton classics as well with movies like City on Fire and A Better Tomorrow. 

The 80's Rock.

 

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The problem with 80's film: It was the rise of corporate takeovers. Film fully became product. But it produced many lucky accidents in this regard.

Worst decade is without a doubt the 00's. I can't even really make a top 10 for the decade.

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You must not see many films.

The 80s had as many classics as any decade. I would say the 1950s has the least, personally, 80s films were awesome though, and film has ALWAYS been corporate, these studios have been multi-million-dollar monopolies since the 20's. In fact it was the corprorate takeovers of 1969, mainly at Warner Brothers, that allowed people like Dennis Hopper to make Easy Rider and George Lucas to make THX1138, and then all the great early-70s films that followed.

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I was referring to the rise of commercialism in film, which did occur and firmly root itself in the 80's. There were numerous handovers/buyouts/collapses in the late 60's up through and around the mid 70's primarily due to the replacing of the old guard. Of course starting with the massive unheard of box office returns of Jaws, the climate began to change dramatically. By the end of the 80's we already were in the days of independent producers who did nothing but cobble together the most exploitative product for maximized profit. Not that this is a bad thing, but there has to be at least some moderation.

I've never felt that the 80's had as many classic titles as other decades, but maybe it's just me. But the films produced then are unbelievably superior to the amount of schlock we endured for the ten years of 00's.

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Cobra Kai said:

just off the top of my head...

Empire, Jedi,Aliens,

sequels

 Raiders of the lost ark,  The Thing, Terminator,  Blade Runner, Robocop

 

to me, these are the ones that are very good (although

the thing is a remake)..raiders is a rehash of old themes,

and the terminator is combination of most cyborg like themes..

along with bladerunner and robocop

 

ET, Die Hard, Predator, Ghostbusters, Ferris Bueller, Spinal Tap, Breakfast Club, Amadeus, Big Trouble in Little China, Raising Arizona, Princess Bride, Scarface, Christmas Story, Lost Boys, First Blood, Lethal Weapon, Beverly Hills Cop, Karate Kid, [snip]

The 80's Rock.

 

along with usual collection of cop, drama, comedies, light 'sci-fi' and

fantasy.

 

not really standouts to me.

 

i'd still take any equivalent movie from the 70's.

 

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SilverWook said:

And last, but not least, the only good Transformers movie! ;)

 +1!

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walking_carpet said:

i've been hearing a lot of this teal-orange thing.  can someone explain?  at first I thought it was too many movies having a blueish tint like Underworld.  I saw a link that explained it further, but not sure if I get it.

I'll do my best.  When you retime a film, you can choose to push everything to opposite color extremities: green/purple, yellow/blue, etc.  Because these colors contrast with each other, they make the picture look more vibrant, have more "pop", jump out at you, etc.  Now because Hollywood is Hollywood, most films have an overrepresentation of actors with a skin tone that's pretty close to orange or peach color.  The opposite of orange is teal, which sometimes the sky can look like if, you know, you're wearing green sunglasses or there's a tornado nearby.  So orange-teal is the preferred pair of colors because it kinda-sorta matches an oversaturated version of what's typically onscreen.

The result is that many films today, and more importantly, many older films being released on Blu Ray, have unrealistic colors in a very consistent way, summed up as Tanning Bed Disasters Versus Tornado Alley Skies.  Now, I like when people use color timing alterations to some sort of artistic end: I loved what they did with Amelie and O Brother Where Art Thou?  It's a great tool when used properly.  But boy am I effing sick of teal and orange.

The blog post that kicked off a lot of people's interest in this is here: http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html  I don't necessarily agree that every example he gives is egregious and unnatural, but certainly some of them are, and even the ones that aren't unnatural show a complete lack of interest in any other colors by the costume/set designers/CGI artists.

ALSO: Where is the Buckaroo Banzai love in this thread?

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SilverWook said:


Give "Eyes of Laura Mars", (which Lucas screened before hiring Kershner) a spin sometime.


That movie was pants.