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DrCrowTStarwars said:

They should not have been playing that game in the first place.  My point is the NFL was saved by that one interception. if that had not happened they would have made some other call that would have caused the Patriots to win.

Tell me since the Patriots got away with cheating this season why should they not cheat next season.  I wish I lived in your world where crime didn't have to be punished to stop it.  Since you believe that I take it you also believe we should get rid of prisons and the police.

You are focusing on one play that is why you can't see my point because you think the season only consisted of that one play.  Well new flash there is more then one play in a game of football!

The point is the very act of letting them play in the game and not fining them and suspending players for cheating shows that the NFL is fine with it and that for the Patriots cheating pays big time.  That play would have never happened if the NFL had done the right thing, instead they have not done anything and that proves they are rigging the game.  Again look how hard they came down on one guy for gesture no one saw that had no impact on the outcome of the game.  The NFL isn't not doing a thing because they can't they choose not to, so they have given the patriots permission to cheat and announced that they will be allowed to do anything as long as it results in a patriots victory.

Again you have to look beyond one play of the season and look at the bigger picture to see this so I will spell this out one last time in the smallest words I can find.

THE

PATRIOTS

ONLY

GOT

INTO

THIS

GAME

BY

CHEATING.

SO

THAT

PLAY

SHOULD

NEVER

HAVE

HAPPENED.

THE

PATRIOTS

WERE

NEVER

PUNISHED

FOR

CHEATING

SO

THE

NFL

HAS

GIVEN

THEM

PERMISSION

TO

CHEAT

IN

ALL

FUTURE

GAMES.

I hope that clears things up for you.

 Where is DanFun when you need him?

Also, yes that clears a lot of things up for me.  Most of them have nothing to do with the NFL though.

So if they are not going to enforce the rules and it is pointless to try why do we have rules and why come down so hard on players for things that have no impact on the game?

I still think that if it had been any team other then the Patriots the coach would have been banned or fined at the least.

I guess I am done with pro football after a lifetime of watching, since as you say it is all based on who can break the rules the best and nothing can be done about it.

I just don't see what the point of cheating is.  I mean what fun is it to win a trophy if you know you didn't earn it?

What is the point of watching if still doesn't even factor into who wins.

I was already getting bored with Football because of the Coach's challenge and review of every scoring play slowing the game way down.  This has now pushed me over the edge.  It just seems pointless now.

Don't say that, I'm not sure if the NFL will be able to get by without you.

(by the way, I am only your enemy in this thread, don't consider me an enemy in general.  :P)

I didn't consider you an enemy here.  I may have lost my temper a little but I learned long ago not to carry on with that sort of thing when it happens.

I think this may just be straw that broke the camel's back for me.  It doesn't seem to bother other people but over the past few seasons with all the extra time outs the game just feels like it takes way longer then it used to, i don't know if it really does but it feels that way and unless the Packers are playing I have been losing interest.  Now that this has happened I just don't feel any pressing need to watch any more.  I didn't plan this, I have just lost interest and that is a shock to me as much as anyone else.

I agree that professional sports is a bore, that's for sure.  If you like football and really want to get that excitement it used to bring to you back, I recommend watching college sports.  College basketball and football are, to me, much more exciting than the pro variants.  Without any money on the table nobody is playing just because, everybody is playing out of love for the game, so all the players try harder and emotions run higher.  NBA basketball is a snooze fest compared to college.  For me anyway.

Yeah that is what I meant by giving up on pro football.  College games just have more energy and things get moving between plays faster.  Now adays in pro sports it feels like you have to watch the last play a dozen times before the team will make the next play.  It's downright sleep inducing some times.

Yeah I think it will be college sports from here on out for me.

Forget about all this nonsense, let's discuss Left Shark!

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

yikes, the editor just destroyed my response... I'll have to try later.

 The editor, the ultimate forum super-villain.

Oh it seems five hundred people were busted in a prostitution sting at the super bowl.  All I can say is yuck, I wouldn't want to sit on one of those seats in the future.

No, but if you didn't earn the trophy then why would you want it?

I mean I hope to make a living with my writing some day so I will be doing it for money, but I wouldn't want to win an award for my writing if I had to pay people off to get the award.  Even if it did cause my books to sell better, having the award sitting on my shelf would just be a painful reminder that I was not good enough to get the award in an honest competition.  So I really don't see the point, sorry.

Well their owner is friends withe highest official in the NFL, also they are like the Yankees of Football, they are the team who is the face of the league to the world at large, they are supposed to be the best team according to the league and broadcasters. Let me put it this way, the team and the coach have been caught cheating many times and nothing meaningful has been done to them, this is from the same league that was quick to fine players from other teams for offensive gestures that have no impact on the outcome of the game, so the lack of response on the part of the league can not be due to them thinking the cheating had no impact on the game. Also if it had no impact then why did the Patriots do it in the first place?  The lack of response on the part of the NFL can not be fore lack of proof since in at least one case no one saw the offensive gesture.  So the only logical conclusion is that the NFL is allowing the Patriots to cheat because the people at the top want them to win and they know that in a fair contest they can not win.  That is the simplest answer that explains both the cheating and the NFL's lack of response to it.

Now since that is happening that the contest and the victories have no meaning.  This combines with the fact that the game is feeling slower and slower to me every year, has killed my interest in NFL football.

I'm sorry but this is as clear as I can make my feelings on the matter now, so I think I will just leave it at that since I have said all I have to say.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

So if they are not going to enforce the rules and it is pointless to try why do we have rules and why come down so hard on players for things that have no impact on the game?

. . .

I guess I am done with pro football after a lifetime of watching, since as you say it is all based on who can break the rules the best and nothing can be done about it.

 It is difficult to have a conversation because you twist things to the extreme - I didn't say any of that.

 Trust me, this is his move.

So again why have any rules?

Again if the Patriots could have won without cheating why did they cheat.  If the answer is because it wasn't a risk for them and they won any way then the question becomes why wasn't it a risk for them, the only answer can be that they know that the NFL will not punish them the way other teams are punished. Again this is a team that has been caught bugging over teams locker rooms and is never punished.  So we know they will always win so what is the point of watching?

Look the game was already boring for me and now I know what the outcome of every season will be there is no point in watching.

Most people seem to think the Patriots cheating doesn't matter or they should be praised for it because cheating is all part of the game.  If that is the case I do have to wonder why we can't get rid of the refs and the times outs they cause so the game will move faster,whatever.

The bottom line is the vast majority of NFL fans are fine with what happened and think it is wrong to disagree with NFL policy. Fine I can live with that, but it does mean this sport is not for me any more so I have stopped watching and now I am going to stop talking about it.

I am not judging anyone or say they are bad people I am just saying that there is no point in talking about this any more because for me the damage has been done.

Sorry if this upsets anyone but that is where things stand.

A Wise Man Once said:

 It is difficult to have a conversation because you twist things to the extreme 

Removing the Patriots from the Super Bowl would have been like giving a man 20 years for jaywalking.  Fine them, maybe take away a draft pick.

TV's Frink said:

Removing the Patriots from the Super Bowl would have been like giving a man 20 years for jaywalking.  Fine them, maybe take away a draft pick.

 They should have made the Super Bowl a Triple Threat Game!

Seahawks vs. Colts vs. Patriots

Imagine the triangular field!

I never it wasn't a bad call, I just don't think it is the worst call in the history of the NFL.

TV's Frink said:

Removing the Patriots from the Super Bowl would have been like giving a man 20 years for jaywalking.  Fine them, maybe take away a draft pick.

 I don't think it would have been quite that bad, but I know what you mean. 

Possessed said:

I agree that professional sports is a bore, that's for sure.  If you like football and really want to get that excitement it used to bring to you back, I recommend watching college sports.  College basketball and football are, to me, much more exciting than the pro variants.  Without any money on the table nobody is playing just because, everybody is playing out of love for the game, so all the players try harder and emotions run higher.  NBA basketball is a snooze fest compared to college.  For me anyway.

 I hate to tell you, college sports, namely Division 1A Football and Division 1 Basketball are all about money as well.   The colleges make money the bowl games make money, the conferences  make money, the people that run tournaments make money, the coaches make make money, the people that own stadiums make money,  the sponsers make money, one the of the reasons the kids are playing is to try to get into the NFL/NBA to make money.   There is also a growing argument that the college athletes should get paid.   If you really want your sports free of money, you need to go watch highschool sports.   Sad, but that is the way it is.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

I was already getting bored with Football because of the Coach's challenge and review of every scoring play slowing the game way down.  This has now pushed me over the edge.  It just seems pointless now.

 I know I a lot of people don't like replay, but consider this:

What the refs weren't allowed to use the the replay to overturn calls and it turned out that the video clearly showed that the pass at the end of the game actually hit the ground before it was intercepted? (thus making it an incomplete pass)   If that were to happen the refs would be forced to let call on the field stand even though the video proved it was wrong.    You really want a Superbowl decided by blown call by the refs?  Refs aren't always at the right angle to make the right call, they only see the play once at blinding speed. Replay allows you to see the play multiple times at different angles and in slow-mo.  There is no question that replay can make officiating more accurate.  Yes, it slows down the game, but I think it is worth it to get the call right.   Just ask that pitcher that had his perfect game taken away by a blown call by an ump(the replay clearly showed the ump was wrong) whether replay should be used in sports.