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All I can think of is that he was living with the skywalkers. Perhaps, being out on Tatooine, having the name skywalker wasn't too dangerous. But if the whole family changed their name suddenly, or adopted a son with a different last name and no one knew where he came from, it would be reason to talk and word might get out? Maybe it was just to keep from stirring up the pot since they were already in the outer rim.

That's just a stretch rationalization, but it came to me.


LOL. Maybe they just gave him an unlisted comlink number!

"Curses!!! I'll *never* find my son unless these Republic Bell telephone books are updated!!"

And of course Anakin would *never* be able to sense his son's presence all the way from Coruscant- why if he could then he would have been able to sense his... mother.... oh... nevermind.
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Greencapt, yet again you don't have your finger on the pulse of the Republic/Empire. The Galactic Senate Anti-Monopoly Committee quashed Bell into a bunch of Baby Bells and other competitive corporations. The Outer Rim is being serviced by AT&T Extragalactic. Where have you been?

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Wow, I haven't been here in awhile. After watching Episode 3 though, I had to go some place to talk about it and what better place than OT.com.

Anyway, I agree with you about everything you said, Jay. General Grievous was just horrible, though if you know his background story, it makes his death more... Fitting. Otherwise you're just sitting there going "what the hell just happened?"

The scene where the clone troopers killed off the Jedi was very well done. The acting was much better from everyone, though I still think that Hayden Christensen was a horrible choice for Anakin. I didn't really understand the Qui-Gon Jinn thing... That only made me more confused about the force ghosts and dissapearing bodies. Could some one explain that?

The lightsaber battles- well, all the battle scenes actually, were very well done, but not the main focus of everything which I thought was good. It wasn't "Oh look at my flashy CGI and cool tricks/designs with lightsabers", it was much more "Look at how dark everything is and what it's all boiled down to." The fact that it was story, and THEN special effects really made watching the special effects alot more enjoyable.

And hearing Darth Vader's breath for the first time was very well done, though I agree, the lines were really... weird and didn't fit the scene.

I'm glad that Threepio had a smaller part. In my opinion, he shouldn't of been in the PT at all, even though I like him. So having him more out of the way was good. R2 was still in there to much though. Do you think when Darth Vader is firing on Luke in the Death Star trench, he notices that that's the same R2 unit that he went on several missions with during the clone wars? I mean, he was with R2 for a good 3 years in combat, and he had met him way before that in Episode 1... Something that was around so much in your life should be easy to spot when it's right in front of you.

Jar Jar binks didn't open his mouth, and so that right there added some of the greatness to the movie.

Bail Organa was way cooler than I thought he was going to be, and seeing the surface of Aldaraan for the first time (first time for me anyway) was awesome! Easily though, the coolest thing, was seeing all the things that tied in directly to the fourth one at the end. Like seeing Grand Moff Tarken, and the fleet of Star Destroyers, and all the officers on the ship... It really made me feel like I was watching a new Star Wars movie, and that's where episode 1 and 2 failed. They just didn't seem like Star Wars movies.

The biggest problem I had though, was that Padme died. Leia says in ROTJ that she remembers her mother's voice, and images of her. If she died, how can she remember her?

All the bad parts aside though, it was a great movie, and easily in the top three best Star Wars movies of all time. Empire > A New Hope > Revenge.

I can't wait to go see it again tomorrow.
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Greencapt, yet again you don't have your finger on the pulse of the Republic/Empire. The Galactic Senate Anti-Monopoly Committee quashed Bell into a bunch of Baby Bells and other competitive corporations. The Outer Rim is being serviced by AT&T Extragalactic. Where have you been?



Curse YOU Bossk!!! You are now like sand to me... rough and irritating. If only I had my wife here to comfort me, to hold me like she did by the lake on Naboo, so long ago when there was nothing but our love.

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PS: If Dooku went to Naboo would he step in poodoo?
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I liked the movie overall, easily the best out of the three. I just felt like so much was squeezed into this last movie, everything happened so quickly. I felt like episode II could of taken on some of this story and explained things in more detail. I've always felt that we never really got to know the characters as much as we could of, especially Anakin. The story is what makes a movie, not CGI effects and pointless battle scenes. I think the average story and poor dialogue have hurt the movies through out. I don't know if Lucas' ego was in the way, or his attitude was they're MINE only, I will write and direct them myself. He should of hired other writers to help him with his scripts, telling him what's pure cheese and just simply giving him better ideas and dialogue. He's nothing but a cognitive creator with a good imagination, but can hardly direct and definitely could not write himself out of a wet paper bag. Don't get me started on Midi-chlorians ...

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

A few things that bothred me:

Dark Lord Sidious explained that his teacher was so strong with the dark side of the force, he had the ability foresee and protect his loved ones from that danger. Which kind of leads me to my point, just tell Darth Vader she died in child birth, not the whole greif thing, or that he had killed her. That way, he would of had more anger towards Obi-wan (and the good side of the force) for interfereing and preventing him from saving her life. The new Darth would of felt more remorse, helplessness and anger not being able to protect her with his new sith powers. It would of further strengthened his belief that the dark side of the force was stronger and could of prevented her death. Maybe it was done the way it was to prove that the dark side leads to anger, anger that resulted in the love of his life being killed by his own hands, which ultimately was the reason he went back to the good side of the force. He realized his choice caused her death?

I liked the first breath you hear from Darth, pretty cool. I heard a few snickers in the audience when Darth was released from the table he was being worked on, his frankstein like walk looked odd, but I can understand him getting use to his new legs. His enraged, "NOOOO" was a little corny, not the cool and calm Darth I'm use to, but I guess that could be explained because of his rage, maybe his age? I guess I just wanted more Darth overall at the end, or at least more dialogue between him and Sidious about the new Death Star.

By the way, does it take 30 years to construct a Death Star? From Star Wars to Jedi, I don't think it was a 30 year difference. Star Wars reffered to the Death Star as being a new threat, if I'm not mistaken.

Unfortunately I think the legacy of these prequels will be:

Good, but not great, they could of been better.

Maybe over the years we've become desensitized. When Star Wars and the rest of the trilogy was released in the late 70's early 80's there was nothing like it. Now we see these kind of effects over and over ... and overdone. But in the end, I think a weak story and poor dialouge is what truly hurt these movies.

By the way, did anyone get a little magazine called "Flick" with their tickets? Once you open the first page it gives you a URL called: ThankyouGeorge.com I'll thank him for the OT then thank him for a "nice try" on the prequels.
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The scene where the clone troopers killed off the Jedi was very well done. The acting was much better from everyone, though I still think that Hayden Christensen was a horrible choice for Anakin. I didn't really understand the Qui-Gon Jinn thing... That only made me more confused about the force ghosts and dissapearing bodies. Could some one explain that?


This thread http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=2267 might help to explain...



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I may be reading too much into the line, but if my memory serves me correctly, Palpatine told Anakin that Darth Plagueous was able to create life from the Midichlorians themselves. He also said that Plagueous taught his apprentice everything he knew and then his apprentice killed him in his sleep.

No im pretty sure that Darth Plagueous was Palpatines master. But the real question is did Palpatine (or possilbe Plagueous) create Anakin from the Midichlorians seeing as in Episode I it is said he was 'born from the midichlorians themselves' or some such bs like that. and that he 'has no father'. So basically what are peoples thoughts on this, did Palps manipulate the midichlorians to 'father' Anakin or was this done by his master before hand. or am i just reading too much into the comment.

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Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Oh, thanks! That really does help alot. That's actually a pretty cool way of explaining it... It turns out that Qui-Gon was a better Jedi than Yoda. Heh.

Yeah, I like that. I really hope it's on the deleted scenes of the DVDs (assuming it was actually filmed) so that I can actually see it play out.

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Oh yeah, there's still one problem. If Anakin never learned how to become one with the force and all that, why does he show up as a Force Ghost at the end of Jedi? That still doesn't make sense to me...
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Easily though, the coolest thing, was seeing all the things that tied in directly to the fourth one at the end. Like seeing Grand Moff Tarken, and the fleet of Star Destroyers, and all the officers on the ship... It really made me feel like I was watching a new Star Wars movie, and that's where episode 1 and 2 failed. They just didn't seem like Star Wars movies.


I felt that too. For the 5 seconds shot from below, showing the officials at that lower part and the emperor, vader and tarkin above looking outside, I felt like I was watching a real Star Wars movie. That's why I think that there should be at least 15 minutes after Vader gets the suit.
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Oh, thanks! That really does help alot. That's actually a pretty cool way of explaining it... It turns out that Qui-Gon was a better Jedi than Yoda. Heh.

Yeah, I like that. I really hope it's on the deleted scenes of the DVDs (assuming it was actually filmed) so that I can actually see it play out.

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Oh yeah, there's still one problem. If Anakin never learned how to become one with the force and all that, why does he show up as a Force Ghost at the end of Jedi? That still doesn't make sense to me...


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I may be reading too much into the line, but if my memory serves me correctly, Palpatine told Anakin that Darth Plagueous was able to create life from the Midichlorians themselves. He also said that Plagueous taught his apprentice everything he knew and then his apprentice killed him in his sleep.

No im pretty sure that Darth Plagueous was Palpatines master. But the real question is did Palpatine (or possilbe Plagueous) create Anakin from the Midichlorians seeing as in Episode I it is said he was 'born from the midichlorians themselves' or some such bs like that. and that he 'has no father'. So basically what are peoples thoughts on this, did Palps manipulate the midichlorians to 'father' Anakin or was this done by his master before hand. or am i just reading too much into the comment.


Whether I like it or not (which I don't) I took that to be what he was getting at exactly, Simon. They (Plag/Sid) created Anakin, Sid killed Plag, Sid hired Maul, Obi killed Maul, Sid hired Dook, Midi-boy killed Dook, Sid hired Midi-Boy (making him his surrogate brother of sorts with Plag as their 'daddy'???), Midi-Boy killed Sid thus killing himself, Midi-boy reverts to Midi-Jedi and Joanie loves Chachi... oh wait... Fonz jumped over the shark in AOTC, right... I get soooooo confused.
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I felt that too. For the 5 seconds shot from below, showing the officials at that lower part and the emperor, vader and tarkin above looking outside, I felt like I was watching a real Star Wars movie. That's why I think that there should be at least 15 minutes after Vader gets the suit.

It would have been cool if they had showed just a little bit more, but really I think they ended it at just the right moment. One thing I was afraid of was that it would either end to early, or end way after it should have, but GL really did a good job of ending it right where it needs to end before you watch episode 4. I mean, just think how the end of three will link to 4 when watching them back to back. It'll work almost perfectly.

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Meh. That really sucks. During the 16 years between Jedi and Episode 1, you'd think Lucas would be able to fill in all the plot holes instead of making them bigger...

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Whether I like it or not (which I don't) I took that to be what he was getting at exactly, Simon. They (Plag/Sid) created Anakin, Sid killed Plag, Sid hired Maul, Obi killed Maul, Sid hired Dook, Midi-boy killed Dook, Sid hired Midi-Boy (making him his surrogate brother of sorts with Plag as their 'daddy'???), Midi-Boy killed Sid thus killing himself, Midi-boy reverts to Midi-Jedi and Joanie loves Chachi... oh wait... Fonz jumped over the shark in AOTC, right... I get soooooo confused.

I didn't even think of that... That's an interesting theory. I don't really see how it would work though. Why would Palpatine or Plagueous create a lifeform if they weren't even going to use it? I mean, if Qui-Gonn hadn't found Anakin, do you really think Palpatine would've gone to Tatooine to pick up Anakin? If he created him for the soul purpose of having the ultimate Sith Warrior or something along those lines, he wouldn't kept him from the moment he made him and trained him from the age of like, 3.

Maybe there was something between Plagueous and Shmi that's never explained? Like maybe they had a relationship?

Actually, now. Now that I think about it, that wouldn't work because Plagueous was suppose to of lived long, long ago. Way back before the Republic.

So, really, only Palpatine could have created Anakin, and that just doesn't make any sense and doesn't fit into the story at all. I don't think even GL made something this inconsistent. Maybe you guys are just reading to far into it.
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"Oh yeah, there's still one problem. If Anakin never learned how to become one with the force and all that, why does he show up as a Force Ghost at the end of Jedi? That still doesn't make sense to me..."

1) Becoming a Force ghost was about compassion and letting go. Keep in mind that Qui-gon never "learned" how to do it, either - it came as a result of his actions.

2) As to actions, Anakin a) was created by the Force and was the Chosen One, b) committed a tremendous act of compassion and self-sacrifice, and c) in doing so, fulfilled the prophecy and balanced the Force [presumably the whole reason for his existence in the first place.]

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That makes sense. Thanks, MeBeJedi.

I still want to know about the Leia remembering her mother thing though. If she died in child birth, how could Leia remember her voice and images of her? =/
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[Yoda] Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future... the past. Old friends long gone." [/Yoda]

Of course, this doesn't explain why Luke, who is presumably stronger (maybe?) couldn't have visions about her as well. Maybe it's a girl-thing?

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So, really, only Palpatine could have created Anakin, and that just doesn't make any sense and doesn't fit into the story at all.


It makes more sense to me than most of the other plotholes. The Jedi were effectively set-up by Palpatine to train Anakin. Anakin was a ticking time bomb ... a trojan horse the Jedi accepted. In the end, the sole reason Anakin was so deadly was because he was inside the Jedi order.
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That's what my dad said when I talked to him about it, but I really don't think of that as a reason... It just seems to... far fetched.

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Well, not really far fetched, considering most things in Star Wars are very far fetched.
It just seems like the kind of excuse GL would use to cover up a plot hole... Y'know?

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It makes more sense to me than most of the other plotholes. The Jedi were effectively set-up by Palpatine to train Anakin. Anakin was a ticking time bomb ... a trojan horse the Jedi accepted. In the end, the sole reason Anakin was so deadly was because he was inside the Jedi order.

That's true, but if Palpatine actually created Anakin, wouldn't he have put him on Courasant so that the Jedi would identify his powers early and accept him even sooner? It just is weird that he would place him on some weird, out of the way planet like tatooine and with Shmi, a slave.
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Agreed. Qui-gon made it even clearer: "Had he been born in the Republic, we would have identified him early, and he would have become Jedi."

If Palps wanted the Jedi to find Anakin, then Tatooine was the worst place to put him (which might explain why Obi-wan took Luke back there). It was by dumb luck that Qui-gon stumbled upon him when he did.

"In the end, the sole reason Anakin was so deadly was because he was inside the Jedi order."

Actually this is true for the middle of the Saga. In the end, the sole reason Anakin was so deadly was because he was inside the Jedi order.

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But by being a slave, Anakin was already too old to be a Jedi, and it shows. He shouldn't have been trained in the first place, yet the Jedi were so entranced by their prophesy they couldn't resist training the boy. He's powerful, but he's pretty disastrous as a Jedi no matter where you look. A time bomb waiting to explode ...

You mention that Tatooine was too remote ... but how about Kamino where the clones were grown? I mean, if Dooku/Palps wanted the clones to be found (and they did), why remove the location from all of the maps?

Palps was pulling the strings all along ... allowing the Jedi to think that they were thinking for themselves. Palps set plenty of traps for them along the way, and the Jedi dove for every carrot dangled in front of them.

I hate the idea of a fatherless birth, but the Palpatine/Darth Bubonic conception plot works way better for me than a Christ-like birth. And I don't really think there's a question about what this midi-chlorian confession meant ... I can't see why Lucas would have included the line of dialogue in Sith had he not intended to suggest that a Sith lord engineered Anakin's birth. George is not exactly subtle, you know.
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You make a really good point with the Kamino thing, but there's one thing about your post slightly off.

The Jedi DIDN'T want to train Anakin. Yoda, Mace and all those guys were against it, and then Obi-Wan said he would do it if they allowed him to or not because Qui-Gon Jinn told Obi-wan to.

So, if Palp REALLY wanted Anakin inside the council, he would of put him on Courasant. There's just no possible way he manipulated things enough to make it so that Qui-Gon would find him on Tatooine, then even though the Jedi council said not to, he would still be trained...

I mean, even if the Jedi found him, they still wouldn't of trained him, and Palp just got lucky that Qui-Gon was the one that found him... Any other Jedi, including Obi-Wan if it wasn't for Qui-Gon, would NOT of trained Anakin because of his age, and then he'd probably just be sent back to Tatooine to be with his mother.

I just don't understand how Palp could organize and manipulate something like that in that way. It just doesn't work...

Though, the "Christ-like birth" is an even worse idea, so maybe we should just go with this explanation.
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Yeah, but Palps was counting on the fact that one or two Jedis would choose to train Anakin. Qui-gon would have done so had he lived. All Palpatine needed was one Jedi knight to accept Anakin to divide the Jedi. And dividing groups of people from within is Palpatine's main strategy in everything he does.

Again, though: I don't like this idea a whole lot, either. I hate the concept of the fatherless origin for Anakin. It doesn't matter if Anakin's sire was Sith or the Angel Gabriel ... it sucks either way. But I think it makes sense that the Sith played a role in Anakin's creation. Lucas painted himself in a corner with this concept back in Phantom Menace, and I don't put it past him to have injected this idea of a possible Sith origin as a way of saving face ... without having to retread the "I am your father" business directly.
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"but how about Kamino where the clones were grown? I mean, if Dooku/Palps wanted the clones to be found (and they did), why remove the location from all of
the maps? "

Because they didn't want the clones to be found before they were ready to be used. They came in the nick of time, which meant the Republic had no time to look a gift horse in the mouth.

"Palps was pulling the strings all along ...allowing the Jedi to think that they were thinking for themselves. Palps set plenty of traps for them along the way, and the Jedi dove for every carrot dangled in front of them."

"I hate the idea of a fatherless birth, but the Palpatine/Darth Bubonic conception plot works way better for me than a Christ-like birth."

If Palps was pulling all the strings, and purposely created a "Chosen One", then he knowingly created the tool of his own demise. (Obi-wan specifically states that the Prophecy foretold the Sith being destroyed.) This scenario makes no sense.

If Palps doesn't know about the Prophecy, then what's the point in creating a life to be trained as a Jedi, yet raised outside the territory of the Jedi, to be found well after the age at which a Jedi should be born? Not only this, but you also have to take into account the rather convenient coincidence that the life Palpatine created turns out to become the tool that destroys him, as prophesized. If Palps didn't know about the Prophesy, then he couldn't have been pulling the strings, because he wouldn't be aware of all the necessary factors in his plan, would he?

I might point out this line from the ROTJ novelization:

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"My master, a small Rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor."

"Yes, I know." There was no hint of surprise in his tone; rather, fulfillment.
Vader noted this, then went on. "My son is with them."

The Emperor's brow furrowed less than a millimeter. His voice remained cool, unruffled, slightly curious. "Are you sure?"

"I felt him, my master." It was almost a taunt. He knew the Emperor was frightened of young Skywalker, afraid of his power. Only together could Vader and the Emperor hope to pull the Jedi Knight over to the dark side. He said it again, emphasizing his own singularity. "I felt him."

"Strange, that I have not," the Emperor murmured, his eyes becoming slits. They both knew the Force wasn't all-powerful-and no one was infallible with its use. It had everything to do with awareness, with vision. Certainly, Vader and his son were more closely linked than was the Emperor with young Skywalker-but, in addition, the Emperor was now aware of a crosscurrent he hadn't read before, a buckle in the Force he couldn't quite understand. "I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader."

"They are clear, my master." He knew his son's presence, it galled him and fueled him and lured him and howled in a voice of its own. "Then you must go to the Sanctuary Moon and wait for him," Emperor Palpatine said simply. As long as things were clear, things were clear.

"He will come to me?" Vader asked skeptically. This was not what he felt. He felt drawn.

"Of his own free will," the Emperor assured him.


At the beginning of ESB, (4 years before ROTJ), Palps said that Luke could destroy them, yet it was Vader who did so. In ROTJ, Palps didn't forsee Luke coming to Endor. Despite this, you still believe Palps set up such a complicated plan, resting all his hopes on a ten-year plan where at least one Jedi master would try to train Anakin, and do so poorly as well?

Here are some other points to Keep in mind: Not only was he not aware that Valorum has sent two Jedi Knights to Naboo (Qui-gon and Obi-wan), but when He did find this out, he wanted them killed.

Also, Qui-gon's "trip" to Tatooine was based solely on the fact that their hyperdrive was damaged by random gunfire.

Thirdly, Palpatine sent Darth Maul to kill Qui-gon and Obi-wan on Tatooine. Not only do I not recall him telling Maul to be careful with the 10-year-old boy that you say he deliberately placed there, but had Maul succeeded, Anakin would never have been brought to Padme's ship, because that was solely Qui-gon's idea, whose beliefs in the Force are so utterly unique from all the other Council Members that he is the first known Jedi to become "one with the Force", yet Palps was supposed to foresee him saving Anakin, and then convenientaly dying so that Obi-wan would train him?

"Yeah, but Palps was counting on the fact that one or two Jedis would choose to train Anakin. Qui-gon would have done so had he lived. All Palpatine needed was one Jedi knight to accept Anakin to divide the Jedi. And dividing groups of people from within is Palpatine's main strategy in everything he does."

But you presume that Qui-gon would have done as bad a job as Obi-wan did.

Sorry, but this is just the iceberg of a tremendous house of cards that must be in play for your theory to take place, yet throughout TPM, Palpatine's plans were repeatedly changed within the course of a few days. I think you are giving his statement about "everything is going as I have forseen" a bit too much credit. ROTJ shows exactly how terribly incorrect his foresight can be. If he were as perfect as you claim, he would have forseen Vader's attack, right?

"I hate the idea of a fatherless birth, but the Palpatine/Darth Bubonic conception plot works way better for me than a Christ-like birth. And I don't really think there's a question about what this midi-chlorian confession meant ... I can't see why Lucas would have included the line of dialogue in Sith had he not intended to suggest that a Sith lord engineered Anakin's birth. George is not exactly subtle, you know."

A couple of things: If Palps had such a power:

1) Why didn't he heal Anakin with it? IIRC, Anakin must survive by use of a walking iron lung. That, in and of itself, puts a BIG whole in the concept of this supposed power that Palps claims to have, yet never uses.

2) If Palps had this power, why not create another Jedi to replace Vader? All the background informatino states that Palps wanted to replace him because he had become weaker as a result of his injuries, yet there's no sign of a replacement. Palps doesn't even know about Luke (another hole in the "He's pulling all the strings" theory.), so how could he possibly expect Vader's son (whom both he and Obi-wan considered a definite threat) to come and replace him?

Sorry, but I simply cannot buy that Palps is able to predict that creating Anakin would eventually help him wipe out the Jedi, based on his track record throughout the rest of the films. You may not like the "virgin birth" scenario, but Lucas has talked about it many times, and your scenario simply requires way too many dominoes to fall in place in scenarios where he really has no control over. What he could control was the Senate and the Republic, but He cannot influence the Jedi council in their closed sessions in the manner you imply.

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While I don't agree with Palp creating Skywalker, I can see one reason for not "healing Vader" or creating a more powerful Jedi to train. It would be explained in ROTS, when he said that the Dark Lord had taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then his apprentice rose up and killed him. Anakin knew he was more powerful than Palp, he says it throughout the saga. However, Palp keeps that one in the chamber, that ace up his sleeve, not teaching his apprentice everything or putting his apprentice at a disadvantage to ensure his power. He treats Vader as his lapdog in all the films, even though Vader is far more powerful. With Vader and Palp as the only two remaining Sith/Jedi, Vader is Palp's only competition.

Now, as for my review of the film, I'm just going to paste what I told Walbler about it in his thread:
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If I were to make a Star Wars trilogy, they would be III, IV, and V. I think in order of quality, they go V, IV, III, VI, II, I. While I see that you are not seeing ROTS as part of a boycott, and I've seen others that have bashed it as rubbish, I think it's great. If it had come out in 1983, we would be embracing it full on. I've now seen it 5 times (I own a theater) and have loved it each time. There are certain scenes that you still get goosebumps as they appear on the screen. John Williams score works SO wonderfully with this film. There are many moments that you feel like you are watching something out of the Godfather, the way the music takes over and the imagery blows your mind. Does it have it's faults? Sure, but all of them have. While we love the Star Wars films (particularly the OT) EVERY one of them have had their level of cheesy lines and wooden acting. ROTS is no better, and also no worse. People want to blast Portman's acting in the non-spoilerish death scene? How about you take a hard look at the celebration on Yavin when Luke, Han and Leia meet up again after the battle. I mean, really think about how bad the acting is there. It is cringe worthy.

So, while I know you are boycotting it, if you do watch it, go into it with an open mind. Think of it as the first Star Wars film EVER, and just enjoy being sucked into this summer film. I promise you, the final 45 minutes of this film will leave you screaming MORE, MORE LORD LUCAS, when I thought I would be happy to see this come to an end. Lucas somehow found a way out of the two mucky prequels to find a way of having the audience wanting more.

We've had 5 screenings for the general public, and the crowds have eaten it up. They've left buzzing about how much they enjoyed it and how they had to rush home now and watch IV because they are too excited. They've applauded at all the right times, laughed at all the intended jokes and I've actually seen people cry as Anakin does all the wrong things for all the right reasons.

Wheew, that's enough. I know I'm probably alone on this site because most of you ADORE the OT (as you should) and consider the PT bastardizations of the films that should have been untouched. But I beg you to look at this film on it's own, as if it were the first Star Wars and ANH and ESB would have followed as THE trilogy. I hope you will fill as I do, that ROTS leaves you wanting the next chapter, and that's all any film can hope to accomplish.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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I agree completely, Hardcore Legend. The order of quality is V, IV, III, VI, II and then I.

Also, you own a theater? That's really cool!
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"However, Palp keeps that one in the chamber, that ace up his sleeve"

Apparently to the extent of never again mentioning it in the films, much less creating a another newer, better apprentice.

Sorry, but if it is never shown to be used, either in the past or in the subsequent films, then it never existed. It was simply one more of many lies Palpatine told Anakin throughout the Saga.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>