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My Wish as a Star Wars and Indiana Jones fan. George Lucas please stop destroying Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Anyone else feel the same way?

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The more he is involved these days he is with either franchise the worse things are, when it was just the opposite in the past.

Or if he absolutely has to still ruin these franchises at least put both the old trilogies of star wars and indiana jones on blu ray with no cgi changes, do that for American graffiti and THX 1138 too.

Then either way i will be happy because i don't have to watch shit like clone wars season 2, indiana jones V, nor do i own crystal numbskull on dvd or blu ray.

 

Then there will be those who sit back and watch the train wreck like vaderisnothayden and laugh their ass off.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Here's hoping he doesn't screw up Willow 2:  Willowier. 

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skyjedi2005 said:

My Wish as a Star Wars and Indiana Jones fan.  George Lucas please stop destroying Star Wars and Indiana Jones.  Anyone else feel the same way?

Nope.  I just ignore the stuff I don't like, or find a decent fanedit to take the original's place.  The stuff I like isn't ruined by future work, and yes this even includes the original OT.  While I want the OOT like everyone else, the replacement edits/preservations I've found work well enough for me.

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Me too Tim and the second series is better than the first from my point of view.

Sure it has many of the same problems as the PT (the stupid battledroid voices, Jar Jar and the like) but it has stories and characters that are definable.

When I saw the critical drubbing the film got I couldn't imagine even wanting to watch it out of curiosity but I gave in and actually enjoyed much of it (not all of it but it was a lot more entertaining than I expected it to be) then I tasted the series proper and was surprised that it actually improved.

Some of the episodes of that show are so good it's almost tragic, I keep thinking "if only that bit had been in one of the films".

It brought back memories of reading some of the better Marvel comics in the years between OT movies.

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No. I don't feel the same way. I like what the man has done over the past decade and a half...

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! GO GEORGE, GO!!! WOOOOHOOOOOO!!! KEEP RUINING YOUR GREATEST CREATIONS!!! HAHAHA!!! BURN WORLD, BURN!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

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skyjedi2005 said:

The more he is involved these days he is with either franchise the worse things are, when it was just the opposite in the past.

Or if he absolutely has to still ruin these franchises at least put both the old trilogies of star wars and indiana jones on blu ray with no cgi changes, do that for American graffiti and THX 1138 too.

Then either way i will be happy because i don't have to watch shit like clone wars season 2, indiana jones V, nor do i own crystal numbskull on dvd or blu ray.

 

Then there will be those who sit back and watch the train wreck like vaderisnothayden and laugh their ass off.

 ::laughs ass off at train wreck::

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Asking this crowd that question is kinda like asking the Pope if he believes in God: it's the mother of all "well, duh!" questions.

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Mix feeling about this one.  Yes, I am tired of the constant makeovers of the original versions.  But I don't think I'd want George to stop all of Star Wars new ideas and shows because, even though I don't like them, I don't want kids to grow up without new Star Wars items. 

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I don't see why there has to be new Star wars items. Everything should come to an end. A story should stop being added to once it's no longer good. Some people want their franchises and stories to go on forever. I've never understood that attitude. I want quality. If something's not quality I don't want it. As for future generations of kids, they can have the original Star wars. They don't need new stuff. Or they can have whatever else (non-Star Wars) is current in their time. Stories need to end before they turn to crap.

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Sadly, I think a lot of us have given up on the idea that new stuff can also be good. 

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George's ways have not been without their faults, but I don't see that as a reason to condemn each and every move the man makes. I'm happy with the films we got, and will continue to be, even if the mastermind behind them refuses to present them properly on home video.

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Sluggo said:

Sadly, I think a lot of us have given up on the idea that new stuff can also be good. 

IMO, Clone Wars (the series, not the pilot film) and The Force Unleashed say differently. There is still cool new Star Wars stuff coming out, which is why I put up with stuff like Jar Jar Binks and Midichlorians. Lucas doesn't always get it right, but if there's gold to be found under all the chaff then I feel like it's worth it. There are plenty of things I hate about the prequels, but there's more stuff about them that I love, so I am willing to close my eyes and pinch my nose on occasion that I might savor the good stuff that Lucas brings to the table. As I've often said, just because George Lucas puts his name on something does not mean it's automatically bad, despite some people's passionate feelings about it.

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I agree with all of that.  I don't mind new stuff being out.  It keeps the brand alive, and as long as the brand is going, there is always the outside chance that I can get the old movies on Bluray someday.  I don't really play video games so I've had to take folks word on TFU.  And my nephew and brother-in-law really like the Clone Wars cartoons, so that tells me they aren't bad.  I just don't like the whole prequel universe that they take place in, so I'm not into them.

To me, it really boils down to the fact that I want good quality product and media out there so it doesn't hurt the brand.  If all that gets released is junk (I'm thinking of the Ewok movies and Ewok and Droid cartoons of the late 80's) the masses lose interest and the brand dries up.

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I'm one of those people who doesn't really care for any new Star Wars.  My personal cutoff date for that is sometime mid-late 90's, so that puts me at odds with some of you one way or another.  However, I really enjoyed Force Unleashed and quite enjoyed the story.  It's a little hard to take as "canon" but I still enjoyed it.  It felt much more OT to me than PT.  The Emperor has a lightsabre before the final fight, but he conveniently loses it- therefore transforming into an OT emperor. 

And, as I've claimed elsewhere, I really dig the Legacy comics.  So, that's the other new/current SW product that I really like.  The rest can all go hang.

I picked up a Level 1 reading book from the Library for my kids.  It's called R2-D2 and Friends.  The cover features a promo-shot of 3PO and R2 from SW1977.  I thought it would be relatively safe and prequel free, but the insides are about 70% PT crap.  :(  That makes me a sad dad.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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HotRod said:

I like Star Wars

This is what I was hoping for when I bumped the thread.

(and I enjoy the longish thread title - anyone know how long the title can be?)

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As long as he puts out the original versions of the trilogy as well as THX 1138 (and maybe even Indiana Jones [wires erased] & Grafitti [opening shot]), I'm fine. I don't think he'd destroying Star Wars by introducing new stuff, it doesn't (have to) mean the previous stuff cannot coexist.

That said, I think Star Wars has run its course and it's time for Lucas to move on to something else. I'm afraid that all the success it had and even doing the prequels have taken away either the opportunity or the desire or both to work on something different. I think Lucas has talked about other ideas he's had during interviews, I'd like to see him try some of those.

(Or at the very least, something besides what happens between episodes II and III. Seriously, how much do you have to drag out that aspect of the series? Why don't we ever hear much about what happened between I and II. That spanned 10 years and why couldn't Anakin have freed his mother then? Or between the prequels and the originals, when is that going to happen?)

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Actually, the time between the PT and the OT is gonna be covered by the live-action series .... if that ever happens. I'm sure it eventually will happen, LFL has to keep the franchise going somehow.

I really hope we get the original versions of THX and Graffiti on blu some day. Unless there's some sort of agreement with Lucas we don't know about, he has no control over those movies. THX is Warner's and Graffiti is Uni's. THX is such a short movie that WB could very easily include both versions on a single, dual-layered blu-ray disc (with either version on its own layer) and still have enough room leftover for all of the extras from the 2-disc dvd. Universal could just use seamless branching for a nice, all-inclusive blu-ray of Graffiti.

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As of today I am officially caught up on Clone Wars (except for the pilot movie, which I am still putting off for a while), and the show has continually exceeded my expectations. The show delves into a lot of dark and complicated territory that not even the original Trilogy did that's handled quite maturely, and on it's got some very nice animation that is probably the best I've seen in a CG TV show. On top of that, it's peppered with references and plots that relate to the EU, like the Death Watch Mandalorians and the Emperor's Hands (read: Mara Jade). Looking back, I wish that I had not written the series off just because of how negatively the pilot was recieved.

I still expect the pilot to suck because they essentially took 4 TV episodes and cobbled them into a movie (and on top of that the first season got progressively better as it went on, which means the movie was probably the four worst episodes), but the show itself has managed to find a special place in my Star Wars geek heart.

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Timstuff said:

As of today I am officially caught up on Clone Wars (except for the pilot movie, which I am still putting off for a while), and the show has continually exceeded my expectations. The show delves into a lot of dark and complicated territory that not even the original Trilogy did that's handled quite maturely, and on it's got some very nice animation that is probably the best I've seen in a CG TV show. On top of that, it's peppered with references and plots that relate to the EU, like the Death Watch Mandalorians and the Emperor's Hands (read: Mara Jade). Looking back, I wish that I had not written the series off just because of how negatively the pilot was recieved.

I still expect the pilot to suck because they essentially took 4 TV episodes and cobbled them into a movie (and on top of that the first season got progressively better as it went on, which means the movie was probably the four worst episodes), but the show itself has managed to find a special place in my Star Wars geek heart.

I have to agree. The show was awful in the beginning, but it has become very interesting, and that is an accomplishment for a television show. I don't catch it very often, but it is leagues better than the PT. I need to watch it more often. I can actually stand Anikan now.

I think the show is good because George doesn't write or direct the episodes.

I stand by my impression of the Movie and a few episodes in. I guess anybody over 12 did this

But it is good, once you get past Jar Jar. The writing is so much better. And unlike the prequels, they don't use phrases that have been beaten to death. It seemed like George's only way to connect the 2 sagas.

I look forward to the next season, which is rare for me, because I hate television.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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If Movie!Anakin had been the same character as TV!Anakin, people would not complain about him. He's conceptually the same as in the movies, but actually executed properly and consistently. He's got brashness and arrogance, but he's also very heroic and has a brand of wisdom that he applies to life. He's actually a good man who I want to root for, instead of a perpetual whiner.

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Knightmessenger said:

As long as he puts out the original versions of the trilogy as well as THX 1138 (and maybe even Indiana Jones [wires erased] & Grafitti [opening shot]), I'm fine. I don't think he'd destroying Star Wars by introducing new stuff, it doesn't (have to) mean the previous stuff cannot coexist.

I think it's disgusting how he's insisted on fucking over Graffiti and THX too, but I don't care all that much about those films. I find them overrated. The only film Lucas directed that I actuallly care about is Star Wars. Other than that, the ones I care about that he's involved in weren't directed by him. I don't have a big attachment to Lucas as a director.

I don't get the big fuss about Graffiti. It has its good points (Dreyfuss's performance and Milner's interaction with the kid in his car in particular) but it's a rather limited film and painfully over-sweetened, and at least three of the major characters are annoying most of the time. And that fake sky he stuffed in in the dvd looks so damn fake. It just does not look like it belongs in the picture. Which of course it doesn't. Why the FUCK did it need a new sky? What was so wrong with the old sky? Did he do it just so he could say "I fucked with all my films"?

Indiana Jones got more than just wires erased. There's that cgi shot added to Raiders. I wish he'd just leave it the fuck alone.

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Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't get the big fuss about Graffiti.

I guess you've never had your house tagged.