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Demolition Man

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MIX (50% BD, 50% BD with DVD colors)

BD with DVD colors

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That is crazy.  Legendary film but I can't get my mind around those new colors.  It's like a whole different movie.

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Thief: this reminds me the Halloween "affaire": caps-a-holic

Looking at those screenshots, DVD seems to have too much red, while BD too much blue - it's Blu-ray, at the end... (^^,) so maybe the "right" color grading could be in the middle.

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Hello Andrea,

Demolition Man would be another great project. It's a shame so many catalog titles from Warner need a workaround. After Mad Max 2, the Lethal Weapon series (1 to 3), Demolition Man, Cobra and Assassins would be my favorite candidates for correction.

Regarding the Demolition Man caps you posted, for this specific frame I really preferred the full DVD colors on BD. I think the blue casting suits the movie.

Could you please post some more samples? If you could use the remaining caps-a-holic shots it wuold be great to have a better idea of the best color timming.

EDIT: ohh, and how could I forget: Heat (it's so teal on BD). Another great Michael Mann (and Warner's to get the 'tealtment')

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Yeah Heat was a shocker when I saw it on blu-ray after being used to the DVD colours for so long.

It'd be nice to see a more neutral tone brought back again.

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Godzilla 2000, the last theatrically released Japanese film in the series is no stranger to bizarre revisionism. When it was brought to DVD, per Toho's request, the cheesy THE ? END title was deleted, but the color seems to have also been changed significantly. The U.S. theatrical version (or something much closer to it) is available on the screener and Spanish subtitled tapes. Note that the Japanese version has always looked pretty different on its own, but the "theatrical" coloring is closer to it.

Some examples:

U.S. theatrical version

DVD. A lot of the composites suffer from the new grading.

So much of the greens are missing from this version. Oddly, the DVD removes a lot of the blue and orange contrast displayed in a lot of scenes.

Blu-Ray. A lot of the greens are back in full force, but at the same time, some very questionable coloring changes have been made, particularly in the reds and oranges.

U.S. HDTV/Streaming version

Blu-Ray

Then you have completely oddball, nonsensical alterations, like this particularly infamous CGI shot:

Godzilla IS comprised of green and dark purple in this movie, but Jesus Christ, he looks like Barney on the Blu-Ray...

A few more restored greens on the Blu-Ray, such as this shot.

Bottom line, the Blu-Ray improves on some things the DVD screwed up, while introducing a host of new problems. The HDTV version is the way to go I guess.

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^^^^

If one can find the HDTV version ...... I have not seen it yet though I do own the US and Japan DVD's plus the new Blu-ray.

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The Crackle version seems to be the same as the HDTV (which might even be the DVD's HD master since so many of the color changes are the same). Now, if only somebody could somehow extract the 480p rtmp encrypted video from there. There's also an  Australian DVD by Madman of the U.S. version that might use the HDTV master.

So, a new book came out and we learned so much, and it is called, “Anguilosaurus, Killer of the Living”.

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Space Hunter M said:

The Crackle version seems to be the same as the HDTV (which might even be the DVD's HD master since so many of the color changes are the same). Now, if only somebody could somehow extract the 480p rtmp encrypted video from there. There's also an  Australian DVD by Madman of the U.S. version that might use the HDTV master.

Crackle version?  Could you elaborate as I am not familiar with the reference.

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http://www.crackle.com/c/godzilla-2000

It's Sony's streaming website. Upon closer inspection, the Crackle version seems to be from the same master as the DVD.

So, a new book came out and we learned so much, and it is called, “Anguilosaurus, Killer of the Living”.

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Space Hunter M said:

http://www.crackle.com/c/godzilla-2000

It's Sony's streaming website. Upon closer inspection, the Crackle version seems to be from the same master as the DVD.

Okay, I didn't know that.  Thanks for clarifying.  I learned something new today.  Yay me.  LOL

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The Gladiator dvd looks totally different to the remastered blu-ray as well, so much so that I actually went ahead and recreated the dvd look of gladiator in HD by using a high quality open matte hdtv release and reframing it shot by shot to match the dvd framing as closely as possible. Never got round to releasing it though, wasn't sure whether people would be interested.

kk650,  

This very much interests me as it is one of my favorite films.  I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction...

Thanks!

nafroe

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The Matrix had a radical colour change on its BD release compared to the theatrical print.

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I have been complaining about color grading for years and just stumbled upon this thread. This is my first post here.

I do a lot of encoding to create streaming video to deliver to my Roku via the channel Roksbox off of my nginx server in a FreeBSD jail. I have been in the process of reversing color grading for years and am really starting to get the hang of it.

At first I thought that color grading was limited to the high, mid, and low method however a few movies threw me for a loop. Alien, Aliens, the Transformers series, The Great Escape, Tron, Tron Legacy, and the Last Starfighter are just a few.

The tools that I use are:
DVDFab9
Sony Vegas to import the MPEG-TS stream if it is not VC1.
FFmpeg script to convert the MPEG-TS stream to H.264 video with stereo AAC audio in an MP4 container if Vegas rejects it. I do not do surround sound.
FFmpeg script to convert the audio if Sony Vegas rejects it.
FFmpeg script to convert the Sony Vegas output to meet streaming requirements in conjunction with Sox to fix the audio because my hearing sucks badly.

I tried DaVinci Resolve however the interface was wonky to me.

My method is to import the video into Sony Vegas (the consumer version), use NeatVideo when appropriate, use Color Corrector, and use the free plugin AAV ColorLab. On occasion I will need to adjust levels to fix things like The Great Escape and a few scenes in Alien to bring back the eggs in the cavern and the detail in the room with the huge gun.

I now have the beginning of a clue on this that I would like to share what I have learned so far. Feedback is always appreciated.

1) Teal & Orange has changed a bit and is more Cyan and Orange. To reverse this I go to the Cyan setting in AAV ColorLab and skew it -33 towards blue. In The Fifth element this fixes the scene of the Diva singing her opera song. If you look at the color of the planet behind her it doesn't look right. Skewing cyan towards blue turns white back to white and blue back to blue.

2) I first thought that every scene was modified differently until I realized that almost every movie that has been color graded uses one setting across the entire movie. If cyan appears to be modified in one scene only (the Diva scene above) it will also be modified on other scenes (the hallway outside of Bruce Willis' apartment for example). Skewing blue to cyan doesn't make a difference if there is no blue in a scene.

3) Decreasing the saturation of Red and Yellow fixes the orange grading. Take for example the Blu-ray for Transformers 3:

AAV Color Lab
* Red saturation reduced to 75 percent and Lightness upped to 120.
* Green untouched.
* Blue untouched.
* Cyan skewed to -33, Saturation lowered to 33, Lightness increased to 125.
* Magenta untouched.
* Yellow saturation reduced to 50 percent.

Color Corrector
* Low angle 285
* Low magnitude 0.100
* Mid angle 60
* Mid magnitude 0.100
* High settings untouched.

4) Fixing white balance globally is a bad idea. Same thing with color balance. I've learned those two lessons the hard way.

The Blu-ray Tron Legacy, after it was color corrected, turned into a mostly black and white movie by merely modifying cyan as shown above while the Blu-ray Tron was graded in a similar manner as Transformers 3. Note that they used color film for the real world in Tron and black and white film for everything in the computer. This means that there are two separate noise profiles to work with. The actors faces and costumes should be gray with the appropriate red or blue lines when they are in the computer.

One gripe that I have is that I cannot use older DVD movies as a reference as just about everything since 1998 or so have been subjected to some form of color grading where the most common one is the high, mid, and low modifications. There is no "one size fits all" method as it seems to be dependent not only on the studio but the person who did the color grading. Each Transformers movie is slightly different in its settings.

They even messed with The Blues Brothers Blu-ray which is one of my favorite movies. I took extra care with that one, but all it needed was a simple high, mid, low adjustment.

Note also that some DVD content is abysmal in its creation. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World appears to be at 29.970fps interlaced but that is only for the opening chapter. After that everything is 23.976fps progressive. The movie Moon with Sam Rockwell cannot make up its mind regarding frame rate.

Even then Blu-ray content can have issues such as not having their frames aligned properly, corrupt audio, and sometimes corrupt video. My FFmpeg script complains mightily during conversion on about twenty five percent of my content.

If anyone can find any problems with the above information please let me know as I am always open to learning, and the best way for me to learn is through failure.

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

navilor, welcome aboard!

 Thank you _,,,^..^,,,_.

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Sweet, glad I didn't get the Criterion. Thanks for the heads up.

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Honestly, for all the teal overkill, the shot of James Caan cracking the safe actually vaguely feels like some theatrical prints I've seen of other movies of the same vintage. Granted, it's too cold and too teal, but the print I saw of The Warriors had cool blues and a general cold feel to the image in a lot of night scenes. (Though other scenes had warm colors - as I say, the biggest problem with these regrades is that they affect colors and elements that were NOT "cooled" in the original grading.)

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dvdmike said:

kk650 said:

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SO.MUCH.TEAL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0CJ7_VtrNU

haha that really is very painful to watch! And i'm a big Michael Mann fan. He did a real number on the Last of the Mohicans blu-ray but this in some ways might be even worse.

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how about the lion king?it has the wrong color grading after the vhs,laserdisc and vcd

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Lately I discovered new editions of Independence Day and The Thing (1982); again, they changed color grading…

While ID4 old edition colors were quite right, the new edition seems to “tealize” everything; plus, according to caps-a-holics screenshots, it seems video quality isn’t improved - I note more grain in the old edition…

At the contrary, The Thing has better quality, more grain, bigger frame, but colors maybe are worst than the previous edition… seems it’s time to do a “The Thing [spoRv]” v2.0!

Opinions? Other recent editions with different color grading - hoping that some new ones actually seems correct?

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