Movies with wrong color grading *** UPDATED *** — Page 5

Here's a thread or 2 for the Halloween color timing discussion ...

http://www.ohmb.net/showthread.php?18270-The-Color-Timing-Issues

http://www.horrordvds.com/vb3forum/showthread.php?t=41556

Jetrell Fo said:

dvdmike said:

I have always been on the side of the D-theater, think I have a rip somewhere 

I have only an AVCHD of the D-Vhs but it's awesome to watch.  I would have loved a larger sized one for bluray but haven't been able to connect with one yet.  It is my go-to version of the Alien Director's Cut.

I also have the Halloween done by Cudney and the DiviMax release, both are Anchor Bay. 

 

:) 

mike, it IS the DC on D-VHS .....

dvdmike said:

We have it already it was in a thread of late I forget which and it had its own thread, thinking about it the DVHS is the DC so no way it syncs

How do you guys acquire these D-Theatre versions of movies. As I am sure they are not for sale or even found in the internet?

Please have a look at the 35mm stills for JP in the link I provided (imgur), and tell me what you guys think about the framing and colour timing.

Also, feel free to have a look at this comparison here-

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=8164327,

those who are members of bluray.com 

captainsolo said: If you want to see what the film should look like, the initial MGM DVD releases of FAFDM and GBU are correct.

Thanks for the info on the night filter.  I'll have a look at my R1 disc of FAFDM.

I don't believe that the old MGM DVD of TGTBATU is correct though.  It looks very faded compared to the Italian BD.  My money's on the Italian BDs of all three films being closest to the intended looks.

Fistful looks like all the US prints which were sourced differently due to rights issues.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.  Is it that because AFFOD's color timing looks consistent despite all the prints being sourced from different places it is likely to be correct?

The Alien material shown above seems to follow the template for coloring set by the Blade Runner Final Cut. That's one I'd love to correct back to the original, because though nice looking at first it doesn't really fit.

I agree that BR:FC is almost certainly removed to some extent from the original look, but I've no idea what the original look is.  The first DVD looks horribly red.  (And Alien doesn't look appreciably similar to the FC to me.)

Papai2013 said:

How do you guys acquire these D-Theatre versions of movies. As I am sure they are not for sale or even found in the internet?

The net ..... It took a little searching but it is all I have.  There were some folks who did transfers of their D-VHS stuff and shared.  I only happened across this one some months back.  It has the home cinema DTS on it so that is nice.  I'd like to get the Theater DTS synched to it for comparison.

:)

I did like the JP shots from film .... they do look nice.

Jetrell Fo said:

Papai2013 said:

How do you guys acquire these D-Theatre versions of movies. As I am sure they are not for sale or even found in the internet?

The net ..... It took a little searching but it is all I have.  There were some folks who did transfers of their D-VHS stuff and shared.  I only happened across this one some months back.  It has the home cinema DTS on it so that is nice.  I'd like to get the Theater DTS synched to it for comparison.

:)

I did like the JP shots from film .... they do look nice.

Can you provide me a link to those D-Theatre versions, so I can download them?

Not only are the JP 35mm stills gorgeous in terms of colour and definition, they have a much better framing than the 2D and the 3D Bluray.

The 35mm stills even in the matted 1.85:1 widescreen shots, are both wider and taller than the 2D and the 3D BD. It seems as if they cropped the original widescreen version to 16:10, then put black bars on top and bottom of that 16:10 frame to create an even more cropped 1.85:1 version. Its like double-cropping!

For the 3D I can still understand that they had to shift the images left and right (still it doesn't justify that much cropping as Titanic 3D-the scope version that played in theatres, wasn't cropped much from the framing of the DVD), but why was the 2D cropped?

I just hope one day to get my hands on a 35mm copy of JP so I can preserve the uncropped version, as it seems, Spielberg or Universal won't invest on a remaster anymore after their 3D version was a success. So each successive home video version may feature the cropped framing.

Turisu said:

I love the way so many fans of the THX DVD refer to it as the "correct" colour-timing. As far as I'm aware there is no source material of any kind for determining what Halloween looked like in theatres in 1978. However it seems far more likely to me that the new BD is a more accurate reflection of the original colours since the THX timing just screams revisionism and bears all the hallmarks of digital tweaking that simply would not have been possible at the time of the film's release.

The fact that the THX colours might look "better" to some people does not make them correct.

I believe they were just happier with it due to Cudney's supervision of the project and the end results of his association and work with it.  The word "correct" is subjective no matter who says it.

;)

timdiggerm said:

Please do not forget that, in film projection, some cropping is inherent to the projection process, assumed to be taking place by the filmmaker, and thus compensated for when filming. When transferring to home/digital media, then, some cropping is appropriate, in order to reproduce the image actually seen in theaters.

In my opinion, the 3D version of JP overdoes on the cropping department to produce a very bad framing from the original one. And Jurassic Park being an already tight-framed movie, doesn't help either!

Jetrell Fo said:

The net ..... It took a little searching but it is all I have.  There were some folks who did transfers of their D-VHS stuff and shared.  I only happened across this one some months back.  It has the home cinema DTS on it so that is nice.  I'd like to get the Theater DTS synched to it for comparison.

:)

I did like the JP shots from film .... they do look nice.

Thanks, though the links are dead, except for one or two.

Chewtobacca said:

Thanks for the info on the night filter.  I'll have a look at my R1 disc of FAFDM.

I don't believe that the old MGM DVD of TGTBATU is correct though.  It looks very faded compared to the Italian BD.  My money's on the Italian BDs of all three films being closest to the intended looks.

Thanks, captainsolo, for the input on the escape scene for FFDM.

The Italian BDs look quite similar to the look of the restored Italian FOD: colorful, saturated, beyond what it might look like in real life. I'd support the Mondo too.

On the topic of Leone films, what's the intended color timing for Once Upon a Time in the West? The BD looks colorful but slightly (only slightly) less so than the LD.

I am quite sure this has been discussed on other threads before but is there any kind of reliable reference as to what Ghostbusters looked like during it's original theatrical run? None of the DVD or Blu-Ray releases have ever looked right to me.

Nien Nunb said:

I am quite sure this has been discussed on other threads before but is there any kind of reliable reference as to what Ghostbusters looked like during it's original theatrical run? None of the DVD or Blu-Ray releases have ever looked right to me.

I have spoken to a few Ghostbusters fans over the years who saw the old film print quite a few times, and they said it was closest to the 1999 DVD and the new 4K Remaster. The laserdiscs can be a good point of reference (but not always), but honestly these days the 4K blu-ray remaster is the best its ever going to look.

rockin said:

Nien Nunb said:

I am quite sure this has been discussed on other threads before but is there any kind of reliable reference as to what Ghostbusters looked like during it's original theatrical run? None of the DVD or Blu-Ray releases have ever looked right to me.

I have spoken to a few Ghostbusters fans over the years who saw the old film print quite a few times, and they said it was closest to the 1999 DVD and the new 4K Remaster. The laserdiscs can be a good point of reference (but not always), but honestly these days the 4K blu-ray remaster is the best its ever going to look.

I will definitely check that release out, I didn't realize it was a new transfer.

I've seen those "Mastered in 4K" Blu-Rays advertised on various sites but I didn't really know exactly what they were until I looked them up just now. So from the sound of it they are basically just the Blu-Ray equivalent of Sony's Superbit line of DVDs from years ago and not actually true 4K? I guess that explains why they fit onto a BD 50, lol.

What I don't understand is why are films like the Total Recall remake being released in this line? Why wouldn't a film that recent be sourced from a 4K master to begin with?

Nien Nunb said:

I will definitely check that release out, I didn't realize it was a new transfer.

I've seen those "Mastered in 4K" Blu-Rays advertised on various sites but I didn't really know exactly what they were until I looked them up just now. So from the sound of it they are basically just the Blu-Ray equivalent of Sony's Superbit line of DVDs from years ago and not actually true 4K? I guess that explains why they fit onto a BD 50, lol.

What I don't understand is why are films like the Total Recall remake being released in this line? Why wouldn't a film that recent be sourced from a 4K master to begin with?

The "4K line" name is just designed to confuse people who have heard of 4K TV's. They hope people will think the disks themselves are 4K.

Nien Nunb said:

rockin said:

Nien Nunb said:

I am quite sure this has been discussed on other threads before but is there any kind of reliable reference as to what Ghostbusters looked like during it's original theatrical run? None of the DVD or Blu-Ray releases have ever looked right to me.

I have spoken to a few Ghostbusters fans over the years who saw the old film print quite a few times, and they said it was closest to the 1999 DVD and the new 4K Remaster. The laserdiscs can be a good point of reference (but not always), but honestly these days the 4K blu-ray remaster is the best its ever going to look.

I will definitely check that release out, I didn't realize it was a new transfer.

I've seen those "Mastered in 4K" Blu-Rays advertised on various sites but I didn't really know exactly what they were until I looked them up just now. So from the sound of it they are basically just the Blu-Ray equivalent of Sony's Superbit line of DVDs from years ago and not actually true 4K? I guess that explains why they fit onto a BD 50, lol.

What I don't understand is why are films like the Total Recall remake being released in this line? Why wouldn't a film that recent be sourced from a 4K master to begin with?

The 35mm / 70mm stuff has to have a new 4k master to be in that line, digital has to be shot at 4k plus.

Ghostbusters looks stunning by far the best home version 

dvdmike said:

Turisu said:

dvdmike said:

We have the 1080 hdtv version of aliens 

I've seen the HDTV version and it can't hold a candle to the amount of detail in the bluray transfer which would be amazing if the colour hadn't been so badly messed up.

Would love to see a spoRv version, though I hope you reconsider the special edition; the extra scenes kill the perfect pacing of the film and the theatrical version is Cameron's original director's cut since he had final cut of the movie on release.

I disagree with some fake grain it comes bloody close 

Fake grain doesn't replace the detail lost in the original grain.

penguinofgreatness said:

Turisu said:

I hope you reconsider the special edition; the extra scenes kill the perfect pacing of the film and the theatrical version is Cameron's original director's cut since he had final cut of the movie on release.

Actually, for Aliens, the Special edition is Cameron's director's cut. He prefers that cut of the film and the studio forcibly created the theatrical cut. (Of course it's up to you what cut you prefer.)

In the case of Alien, the theatrical cut is the director's final cut, and the so called "director's cut" is just an alternate cut Ridley Scott did for the dvd.

Correct. The Special Edition of Aliens is Cameron's preferred version (and mine too). Shame the blu-ray is so blue.

captainsolo said:

Die Hard is teal on the new 4K DCP. Some places are somewhat noticeable more than others.

Is detail good though? I'm hoping for a new BD release.

I'm aiming to go to my arthouse's midnight screening of Batman Returns tonight as they're supposedly showing a 35mm original. And of course being me I will call up and ask the projectionist if it will be Dolby SR or the 5.1.

 Be interested in the color timing.