Movies with wrong color grading *** UPDATED *** — Page 3

timdiggerm said:

Spaced Ranger said:

Turisu said:

Aliens: Teal, teal & more Teal. :(

NOT ON BLU-RAY - Orange and Teal, or How “Re-Mastering” is Distorting Our View of Classic Films (link from OP) shows this stupefying Aliens Blu-to-DVD comparison:

Fortunately, it can be easily color corrected with a few histogram settings (in a paint program):
HISTOGRAM
RED       Gamma 1.6  Midtones +15
GREEN   Gamma 1.1  Midtones +20
BLUE      Gamma 1.1  Midtones -3

 

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Speaking of Aliens (Extended Edition, though)... what about a spoRved version?

Your use of the Avisynth ColourLike() should do short work of Aliens -- except the problem areas of crushed blacks and blown-out whites, which this Blu-ray has.

BTW, I was impressed by your nice work on The Matrix correction and tried that filter (in your ColourLikeFBF function) ... but kept getting an error message "Evaluate: System exception - Access Violation ([ScriptClip], line 5)". What did you do to solve this?

What are the chances of a similarly easy correction for Great Escape?

It would still have the DNR

DoomBot said:

I still love the grain in the Aliens blu-ray and would prefer that over the hd-tv broadcast. We just need to see how many clipped white scenes there are. I still enjoyed watching it in motion though and it never really bothered me. Though it would be neat to see the colors changed for the blu-ray.

The grain is fake tho 

Add both Ace Ventura movies 

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Warner love it 

I don't think the grain is fake there was so much grain in the negative and they still removed grain just for the blu-ray.

DoomBot said:

I don't think the grain is fake there was so much grain in the negative and they still removed grain just for the blu-ray.

Nope it was a full degrain/regrain Lowry confirmed, it is just how they do things 

dvdmike said:

DoomBot said:

I don't think the grain is fake there was so much grain in the negative and they still removed grain just for the blu-ray.

Nope it was a full degrain/regrain Lowry confirmed, it is just how they do things 

Oh ok i guess i misread what ever it was i was reading way back. That's interesting that they did that. I wonder what the original negative scan looked like compared to what they did. I don't think they did a horrible job though adding grain, it's pretty convincing.

It is better than what they used to do on say the Bond movies 

dvdmike said:

As I said in my first post  apart from looking like crap the blu matches the 35mm cells bar bad contrast 

I don't think so! The 35mm colours had more dynamic range than the bluray which looks like it has been bathed in blue and orange. There is a yellowish feel in the 35mm cells that I've looked into where the blues are of denim colour not indigo (as in the Blu).

dvdmike said:

... it was a full degrain/regrain Lowry confirmed, it is just how they do things 

This is awful !

Competition should easily put Lowry out of business.

Spaced Ranger said:

dvdmike said:

... it was a full degrain/regrain Lowry confirmed, it is just how they do things 

This is awful !

Competition should easily put Lowry out of business.

For some reasons filmmakers love them 

timdiggerm said:

What are the chances of a similarly easy correction for Great Escape?

Just as easy (for color correction). Check out dvdmike's The Great Escape Non DNR/Teal and Orange Preservation thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Great-Escape-Non-DNR-Teal-and-Orange-Preservation/topic/15445/

captainsolo said:

Many are discussed in my older thread on a similar topic: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Films-re-color-timed-on-video-releases/topic/15311/

The only big color criticism off the top of my head I have with WB overall is the Superman  films which all have teal throughout now on BD for some unknown reason. Additionally the budget for the Donner Cut of II was rather low and the timing was not done on any footage until the final edit and that was done pretty much with  modern sensibilities in mind.

Pretty sure the Leone films are wrong on MGM's transfers with FAFDM may be the closest to intended composition and color. Duck You Sucker is very green/brownish and washed out looking. GBU SE is a travesty all around and the 35mm looked washed out.

The modern Bond transfers are all wrong for color. They are no longer of their vintage and were timed to suit modern tastes in many preferences, even on the BD remastered takes on the same masters. That is why the newer releases such as YOLT, OHMSS and DAF have far too much contrast and lack that color depth from Technicolor and vintage non faded Eastman.  The new TSWLM master is wonderfully detailed but the color isn't quite right I think--yet a darn sight better than the awful bleaching the film got at the hands of Lowry in 2006.

Lowry also used the wrong vintage grain in the Bond films 

captainsolo said:

Pretty sure the Leone films are wrong on MGM's transfers with FAFDM may be the closest to intended composition and color. Duck You Sucker is very green/brownish and washed out looking. GBU SE is a travesty all around and the 35mm looked washed out.

Keeping in mind that I just got into these movies recently, the MGM Transfers look pretty uniformly bland (dull color timing), processed (EE, DNR, or both), and old (definitely pre-2006, for all of them, I would say...). Though I admit that I've a) never seen a low-fade print of a Leone film and b) have not seen film cel scans, the color timing of the foreign BDs for The Dollars Trilogy seems more right to me-- it's saturated and doesn't look like it's been "normalized."

FAFDM is something I'm not 100% on. Neither the IT transfer or the US/DE transfer seems perfectly satisfactory for me. Though the US/DE transfer was taken from the neg, the scan is old and it shows. EE exacerbates the grain, while creating an illusion of higher detail, and color timing is dull. The IT is only trimmed by a second from the DE, and, though being DVNR'ed and lacking some ultra-fine detail from being VC1-encoded, it seems like a newer transfer and more film-like. I kind of look at it like the Jurassic Park 2D BD vs the 3D one...

The modern Bond transfers are all wrong for color. 

These need fixing, especially OHMSS.

I think Hammer has ruined Horror of Dracula by going this colder color route.

Actually, the BFI ruined Dracula :) Hammer just dealt with the master they were given. Just to be clear though, this wouldn't be an ideal candidate for a restoration project ala The Thing since no video source is quite accurate in its color timing. The Warner Bros DVD is probably even farther off.

The BD is too blue-shifted and saturated; there was a 35mm frame and the color timing was far more subtle. Flesh tones were not blue nor red; they were greenish/natural. The unrestored Japanese reels if red-shift corrected and boosted a bit in saturation look pretty dead on, I think, if dirty.

The Aluminum Falcon said:the foreign BDs for The Dollars Trilogy seems more right to me-- it's saturated and doesn't look like it's been "normalized."

The Italian BDs seem that way to me too. 

Though the US/DE transfer was taken from the neg, the scan is old and it shows. EE exacerbates the grain, while creating an illusion of higher detail, and color timing is dull. The IT is only trimmed by a second from the DE, and, though being DVNR'ed and lacking some ultra-fine detail from being VC1-encoded, it seems like a newer transfer and more film-like.

I agree but am happy enough with the Italian BD.  The DE BD looks awful.  Synchronizing the English mono from the DE BD to the Italian BD is very difficult.  It's not like other films in which a few edits here are there are required.  The two transfers are very different: for long stretches, they go out of sync almost every time there is a new shot.  To sync them satisfactorily, you have to edit both video and audio.  Obviously, recompressing the video is not desirable, but here it's the best option, and with x264 you don't really lose anything.

Interestingly, there is a scene in the Italian BD that lacks the night filter that was applied to the other releases.  It's the one in which Indio's gang break him out of prison.

Chewtobacca said:

I agree but am happy enough with the Italian BD.  The DE BD looks awful. 

I think you may have misunderstood my post. I agree, I'd rather go with the more film-like IT BD than the DE. I'll not lose any sleep over one second of Eastwood being beaten.

Synchronizing the English mono from the DE BD to the Italian BD is very difficult.  It's not like other films in which a few edits here are there are required.

Yeah, that seems to be the issue with most of the Dollars movies.

Interestingly, there is a scene in the Italian BD that lacks the night filter that was applied to the other releases.  It's the one in which Indio's gang break him out of prison.

Interesting... Wonder which one is right. Anyone here have a print? :)

The Aluminum Falcon said:  I think you may have misunderstood my post.

Ah, perhaps I did.  I was just trying to say that I agree with your assessment of the Italian BD's deficiencies but am nonetheless happy with it.  :-)

Chewtobacca said:

Ah, perhaps I did.  I was just trying to say that I agree with your assessment of the Italian BD's deficiencies but am nonetheless happy with it.  :-)

Oh gotcha.