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Me? I'm just sick of fanboy whinning.

Would it be nice to have both editions on video? Not really. It would be nice to have an edition where all the SFX cliches have been fixed and the bad changes have been exercized. In short, I want to see Han shoot first and I want all the violence restored. But why on Earth would anyone want to see bad SFX in any movie?

Sure, it was great when I was 6, but I'm not 6 anymore, and if I can see good SFX vs. bad SFX, I'll take good anyday.

You guys want the "force field" under the landspeeder, transparent snowspeeders, blocking looking effects shots during the Death Star battle? Why? I don't get it. I simply don't understand why anyone would want to see crappy SFX in Star Wars when you can see better SFX.

Because that is what it comes down to. The story hasn't been changed at all, so other than Han shooting first what is your bitch specifically?
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My point is, that the better SFX were just the sugar coating with which Lucas tried to sell people his ridiculous 'political correctness' and disney slapstick upgrades he incorporated into the movies.

Basically he's saying: "Want better SFX? Then you got to live with the changes I came up with."

I also don't understand how you OT antagonists always anticipate, that people would not want the white boxes, black lines and force fields fixed. People just want the original theatrical cuts. And of course they want it in the best possible picture and sound quality available for the DVD format. That's something everyone would expect from a DVD release.
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Originally posted by: Lord Peeler
Me? I'm just sick of fanboy whinning.

Would it be nice to have both editions on video? Not really. It would be nice to have an edition where all the SFX cliches have been fixed and the bad changes have been exercized. In short, I want to see Han shoot first and I want all the violence restored. But why on Earth would anyone want to see bad SFX in any movie?

Sure, it was great when I was 6, but I'm not 6 anymore, and if I can see good SFX vs. bad SFX, I'll take good anyday.

You guys want the "force field" under the landspeeder, transparent snowspeeders, blocking looking effects shots during the Death Star battle? Why? I don't get it. I simply don't understand why anyone would want to see crappy SFX in Star Wars when you can see better SFX.

Because that is what it comes down to. The story hasn't been changed at all, so other than Han shooting first what is your bitch specifically?


So tell me somthing should they use CGI to redo the classic parting of the red sea in the Ten Commandments? Should they use CGI to redo the Ape in the classic King Kong? They would make the SFX in those movies better too would'nt it? And the SFX in the Classic OT were not crappy!

and why wouldn't it be nice to have both editions on DVD? it would give people the choice and that is the whole point! You can buy the ruined edition while I buy the classic OT.
Why would it bother you that I'd be able to buy the classic OT? Now that's Lame! And the longer you continue, more LAME you become.


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Let me ask you guys thus. Do you watch the regular, theatrical cuts of LOTR, or the extended editions? Hell, I don't even own the theatrical cuts of LOTR because why would I ever watch them?

If you guys are so obsessed over rejecting everything new Lucas is doing, why even bother with DVD? You can own laserdisc. They don't degrade and I'm sure you can find them on EBay.

What this comes down to is you feel that Lucas owes you and think that since you are Star Wars fans you get to dicate what he does. Sorry, the world doesn't work that way.
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Originally posted by: Lord Peeler
What this comes down to is you feel that Lucas owes you and think that since you are Star Wars fans you get to dicate what he does. Sorry, the world doesn't work that way.

If it wasn't for us, he would never have the money to do to these films what he is doing. So YES! He does owe us!
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Originally posted by: Lord Peeler
Me? I'm just sick of fanboy whinning.

Would it be nice to have both editions on video? Not really. It would be nice to have an edition where all the SFX cliches have been fixed and the bad changes have been exercized. In short, I want to see Han shoot first and I want all the violence restored. But why on Earth would anyone want to see bad SFX in any movie?

Sure, it was great when I was 6, but I'm not 6 anymore, and if I can see good SFX vs. bad SFX, I'll take good anyday.

You guys want the "force field" under the landspeeder, transparent snowspeeders, blocking looking effects shots during the Death Star battle? Why? I don't get it. I simply don't understand why anyone would want to see crappy SFX in Star Wars when you can see better SFX.

Because that is what it comes down to. The story hasn't been changed at all, so other than Han shooting first what is your bitch specifically?


I like the way you think. While the effects of the originals wasn't bad. It was great for its time and if the Special Editions or Prequals were never made I would still love the originals. At least the first two originals. But the Special Editions were made and they were better. Why would anyone want a hole for a sarlacc or an unseen wampa. I agree with everything you said. I also don't like the Han and Greedo change but its such a small thing. I missed it when I first saw the Special Editions. But I sure as hell noticed those great effects improvements.
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@jimbo: Here's my answer to that point:
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My point is, that the better SFX were just the sugar coating with which Lucas tried to sell people his ridiculous 'political correctness' and disney slapstick upgrades he incorporated into the movies.

Basically he's saying: "Want better SFX? Then you got to live with the changes I came up with."

I also don't understand how you OT antagonists always anticipate, that people would not want the white boxes, black lines and force fields fixed. People just want the original theatrical cuts. And of course they want it in the best possible picture and sound quality available for the DVD format. That's something everyone would expect from a DVD release.
It would all be good if he wouldn't try to force the SE on us. By doing this, it almost seems that he doesn't like those changes himself. I also think that your sig pretty much sums up what Lord Peeler is trying to do with us - with little chance of success I might add.

@Lord Peeler: LMAO, are you noticing that you're becoming kinda desperate to come up with logical reasons for not releasing both cuts on DVD? You seem to be very afraid that it might actually happen.
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Like I said I am opposed to those changes but the censoring level is just as high as Who Frammed Roger Rabbit. Hell some of the additions are pretty violent. Like the Wampa's arm. That wasn't too politically correct was it.
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Heh, never thought of it that way. Cutting off limbs and heads is ok, but people getting shot is not? (hehe, rhymes). Good point, Jimbo! "There's no logic in Lucasfilm's move here."
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Hmmm... that is a bit ironic. Good point Jimbo.
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k wow i didnt even read all the comments posted since i last came commented but heres where i stand...

if you like the SE.. hey thats fine... but dont come in here bad mouthing the originals...
don't forget its called originaltrilogy.com! not specialedition.com

i agree with some people that jimbo has been getting on my nerves too because of his constant stance on "THE SE ARE MUCH BETTER THAN THE ORIGINALS!!" no ifs ands or buts... but look at it this way...
he's 16, most of the people who like the SE didnt grow up with the movies as we did and therefore were never wowed by the effects which at the time were state of the art...

so let them enjoy their SE... but again this site is about the original trilogy's release on dvd... if your gonna knock it then you might as well just leave....

Jimbo to me your poll means shit to be honest... but keep using that to your defence...
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Originally posted by: Lord Peeler
Let me ask you guys thus. Do you watch the regular, theatrical cuts of LOTR, or the extended editions? Hell, I don't even own the theatrical cuts of LOTR because why would I ever watch them?

If you guys are so obsessed over rejecting everything new Lucas is doing, why even bother with DVD? You can own laserdisc. They don't degrade and I'm sure you can find them on EBay.

What this comes down to is you feel that Lucas owes you and think that since you are Star Wars fans you get to dicate what he does. Sorry, the world doesn't work that way.


T or F, was the theatrical cut of LOR released on DVD? True

T or F, was the theatrical of LOR the only cut availible for 20 years? false

T or F, has anyone grown up and become attached to the theatrical cut of LOR like people have become attached to the orginal OT? false

T or F, has Peter Jackson lied and said the the theatrical cut no longer exists? false

BTW you still havn't answer my question, why would it bother you if I was able to get the classic OT on DVD? You'd still be able to get you ruined edition on DVD. Tell me what in heavens name would be wrong with that arrangement?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we are the ones bought the tickets for his movies, that bought all the VHS and laser disc copies of his movies, we are the ones the buy the books, apparel, toys, computer games, etc. And we are also the ones he HOPES will buy his future products. That should count for somthing. Maybe the world doesn't work that way, but it should. Tell me why it shouldn't? and tell me why it can't!
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@Luke Skywalker: jimbo is cool with me, because he is one of the few persons who prefer the SE, but still care for the original cuts and support this petition. He also just mentioned a very good point about the illogical double standards of the 'pc' patching in the SEs (which shows he's not one of those self proclaimed Lucas-Ideology-Crusaders that don't use their brains).

When it comes down to this poll thing, I'm d'accord with SpecialEditionSaboteur. One of the best posts on how the masses work, imho.

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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
@Luke Skywalker: jimbo is cool with me, because he is one of the few persons who prefer the SE, but still care for the original cuts and support this petition. He also just mentioned a very good point about the illogical double standards of the 'pc' patching in the SEs (which shows he's not one of those self proclaimed Lucas-Ideology-Crusaders that don't use their brains).

When it comes down to this poll thing, I'm d'accord with SpecialEditionSaboteur. One of the best posts on how the masses work, imho.


I'm sorry Master Sifo but Jimbo lost all my respect when he called the PTs the best movies ever made. He even said they were better then Casablanca and The Godfather. Anyone that has any taste in movies knows that that is simply not true.

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Hehe, I never said he is always right (how can someone be right/wrong about matters of personal taste anyhow?). I'm just pointing out that he's not as bad as some of you guys make him sometimes.

Edit: Also rest assured that Casablanca and The Godfather weren't among my all-time favorites when I was 16.
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I'm sorry Master Sifo but Jimbo lost all my respect when call the PTs the best movies ever made. He even said they were better then Casablanca and The Godfather. Anyone that has any taste in movies knows that that is simply not true.


Thats false. I said Attack of the Clones was the best movie ever. I like The Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope alot more then The Phantom Menace. I also don't have a problem with the original versions just like The Special Editions more and don't care about the release of versions I consider inferior. I wouldn't mind if Lucas released them for those who like um I am just a Lucas fan and don't like him getting bad mouthed for versions I consider to be better. I also have not seen any of Casablanca and only bits of The Godfather. Attack of the Clones is the best movie I have seen. Heres how I rate the movies.

Attack of the Clones - A+
A New Hope - A
The Empire Strikes Back - A
The Phantom Menace - B
Return of the Jedi - B-
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If it wasn't for us, he would never have the money to do to these films what he is doing. So YES! He does owe us!



No he doesn't, because you aren't the the one person in the world that made him rich. The 56,000 people who signed the petition aren't the ones who made him rich. You guys are not the majority of Star Wars fandom, or the DVD buying public.

As a matter of fact, most of you didn't even buy tickets to Star Wars back when it was called Star Wars. Your parents did. Your parents made George Lucas rich, so why don't you ask them which version they want on DVD.
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I asked my parents, and they want BOTH.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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I asked my parents, and they want BOTH.


And if they don't get both are they going to join your pathetic boycott?

BTW, quite frankly, I don't beleive anyone who says they won't buy the DVDs. I say you are full of shit. Anyone who says they aren't going to buy the DVDs is full of it. You guys will all buy it and you'll all bitch about how Lucas ripped you off by "forcing" you to buy it.
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No, but they don't have to. I'm not officially a member of any boycott, but I will not be buying them when they come out. It seems that your problem, Lord Peeler, is that you'd love to put us into nice, tidy little packages and categories that suit your flaming ways. My refusal to buy the Star Wars SEs is based in the belief that when a film is altered, both versions should be made available to the public, and not make up some half-assed story about as far as you're concerned, the originals were rough versions and this is the final version. If Spielberg could release both versions of E.T., regardless of which version he prefers, why can't Lucas release both versions of the Star Wars Trilogy? Answer that and I might consider your arguments worth the memory they're hogging on this server.

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I asked my parents, and they want BOTH.


And if they don't get both are they going to join your pathetic boycott?

BTW, quite frankly, I don't beleive anyone who says they won't buy the DVDs. I say you are full of shit. Anyone who says they aren't going to buy the DVDs is full of it. You guys will all buy it and you'll all bitch about how Lucas ripped you off by "forcing" you to buy it.


Don't tell me what I'm going to do and what I'm not going to do. Only I know that. And I'm telling you I'm not going to buy any ruined editon of the OT on any format. If you don't want to believe me, F*** OFF!!! you jerk!

Maybe my parents did buy the tickets, but they did it for me! They bought the toys for me! And I I'm the one that bought the vhs copies of the originals,the books and other merchandise. So if it weren't for me Lucas would not have my or my parent's money. And how do you know that some on the 50,000 weren't old enough to buy their tickets?

As for my parents peference, they are not Star Wars fans so either way they will not get a Star Wars DVD for themselves. However I know they
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
Hehe, I never said he is always right (how can someone be right/wrong about matters of personal taste anyhow?). I'm just pointing out that he's not as bad as some of you guys make him sometimes.

Edit: Also rest assured that Casablanca and The Godfather weren't among my all-time favorites when I was 16.


when you say that you prefer The Attack of The Clowns the to any movie in the OT or any other movie for that matter, then you prove you have no taste.

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I asked my parents, and they want BOTH.


And if they don't get both are they going to join your pathetic boycott?

BTW, quite frankly, I don't beleive anyone who says they won't buy the DVDs. I say you are full of shit. Anyone who says they aren't going to buy the DVDs is full of it. You guys will all buy it and you'll all bitch about how Lucas ripped you off by "forcing" you to buy it.


Don't tell me what I'm going to do and what I'm not going to do. Only I know that. And I'm telling you I'm not going to buy any ruined editon of the OT on any format. If you don't want to believe me, F*** OFF!!! you jerk!

Maybe my parents did buy the tickets, but they did it for me! They bought the toys for me! And I I'm the one that bought the vhs copies of the originals,the books and other merchandise. So if it weren't for me Lucas would not have my or my parent's money. And how do you know that some on the 50,000 weren't old enough to buy their tickets?

As for my parents peference, they are not Star Wars fans so either way they will not get a Star Wars DVD for themselves. However I know they


Statistically speaking, most first generation Star Wars fans were kids when the movies came out the first time, so it's a good bet that most of the 56,000 people who signed your petition didn't make George Lucas rich, their parents did.

Besides, you ignor the fact that the vast majority of fans will buy the DVDs no matter what. They are the ones that will make Lucas richer, so he doesn't owe you anything.

Furthermore, by bashing the PT you just prove you are a jealous, petty little fanboy who hates everything Lucas has done since he "ruined" Star Wars for you by *gasp* putting in new scenes and better effects then that of the original release. So why the Hell should he value your opinion in the first place, when you prove that anything new he does you are going to hate? If I were Lucas I'd tell you to fuck off and go complain to all the other creators that have dared put out extended edition DVDs out without offering you the original versions.

Like the list at the head of this topic.

You've had nine years to be prepared for this. It's been seven years since the SEs and you still aren't over it. It's a bit silly, don't you think?

It Lucas' movies, not yours. If he wants to release an all Jar Jar all the time version of the OT with a pictograph of himself flipping you the bird it's his decision.

Don't like it, don't buy it. If enough fanboys would actually stick to their guns and not buy the SEs....it still wouldn't make a damn bit of difference because the fanboys out outnumbered by the fans.

And thank God for that, I say.
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@Warbler: I don't see why a 16 year old boy should not be allowed to have AOTC as his favorite movie. If that's bad taste in your book, it is your problem - not his.
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F*** OFF!!! you jerk!

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