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I promised myself I wasn't going to do this, but Jimbo, you're a moron!

why don't you go kiss Lucas's rear end you Lucas yes-man!
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Fuck you Warbler. You can check theforce.net if you don't believe me. Fuck you!
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Fear not Jimbo, you are not alone.

The SEs are much better than the originals. Oh sure, Greedo shooting first SUCKS, and I would have loved to have seen Ian in ESB, but other than a few minor quibbels here and there, the effects look better, the sound is better and the movies blend in much better with the PT.

Furthermore, in every poll I've seen/taken the SEs always outstrip the rough cuts. Every single time.

So this site has 50,000 sigs. Big deal. The SEs made millions at the box office, and no matter how many times these 50,000 people went and saw them they still didn't bankroll that success.

So we might be in the minority here, but we are the majorirty that will make the DVD release of the SEs the biggest DVD release in history.

Furthermore, if you giys hate the SEs so much, don't friggin' buy them! That'll teach GL to improve his movies!

I'd love to see y'all put your money where your mouth is and not buy the DVDs.
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How dare you Lord Peeler! you come in here, you use the icon that belongs to his Highness Emperor Jay and then you call the Original Trilogy a Rough Cut!

I state this here and now, I will never buy the "special edition" on any format be it VHS,Laserdisc,DVHS, DVD, or HDVD until they release the OT on DVD and if you bothered to look around on the this forum you'd see where others have said so too!

You say the majority prefer the "special edition" even if they do, don't you think the 50,000 signatures justifies releasing both editions of the Trilogy on DVD. This site is not against the release of the Special edition it just wants the original released as well.

If they could do it for Terminator 2 why not for the Star Wars Trilogy?

Go back where you came from Lord Peeler!! and take Jimbo with you!!
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F you Warbler. You can check theforce.net if you don't believe me. Fuck you!


back at you Jimbo ! and, do I have to tell you where you can stick your poll?


I'm sorry but these two have p***ed me off!

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Lord Peeler glad to have you around. Warbler resorted to name calling so I resorted to foul language.
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The reason why the majority public likes the SE's better than the original trilogy is because they are just lemmings who accept everything thrown at them. And since the SE was the last version that was released that's the version they remember the most, and thus that is the version they will accept. You must also take into consideration that the "Majority" are not even die hard fans who grew up with the star wars movies. And young kids like Jimbo will accept the SE over the OT because that's the version they grew up with. If Dimbo had grown up with the OT he would have a completely different outlook. He's also in that stage in his life where he thinks that anyone over 18 is nothing but an old fogey, and he will view old movies the same way; but when he gets older he'll come to appreciate classic movies and original versions for what they are.

It doesnt matter how much better the special effects are made, people will accept anything thrown at them. Lucas could re-release the original trilogy tomorrow, and it would make millions, and everyone would accept that version over the previous one--the SE. Then when he re-released the SE after that one, the SE would become popular again. If Peter Jackson re-released the LOTR trilogy 20 years from now with added effects, the diehard fans who grew up with the movies would complain, but the new generations (like dimbo and friends) would accept the recent version over the latter one.

Such is life
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I am 16 and have grown up with the originals on VHS all my life. I loved um. Until the Special Editions came out.
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The only people that really annoy me, are those die hard George Lucas fans, who hang their flag with his wind. If he'd make a full u-turn on his opinion, and revert to his old "the original theatrical cuts are timeless" policy, the same guys who now promote GL's SE point-of-view so agressively would all of a sudden turn their coats to the new 'fashion' set by him.

To me that guy is not a bad person, just a guy who will never make up his mind about these films and he will continue to meddle with them until he's too old to do so. StarWars is so much bigger than the mind that created it, sad but true.

@warbler and jimbo: Please duel it out over private messages, or even better - resort to a more civilized way of resolving your quarrels.
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I couldn't put it better Sabotuer!


and your're right too Master Sifo. Jimbo just got under my skin and I lost my temper, and then when Lord Peeler came in here and insulted not only this forum but Emperor Jay and the OT as well, I really got mad.

this isn't an excuse but merely an explanation.

I'm sorry
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I'll use whatever icon I like, thank you very much.

"I'll never buy the Ses on VHS, DVD, etc". Whatever. You already own them on VHS, because you bought them back in '97 when they came out.

But the point I need to make is, how the hell can anyone act surpised that Lucas isn't going to put the rough-cut out on DVD? He said nine years ago, NINE YEARS AGO thar the "95 release was the LAST TIME the original versions would ever be released on video. So if you where actually paying any attention you'd known that he wans't going to release the rough-cut of the movies on DVD, or VHS, or lazer disc for the last NINE FREAKIN' YEARS.

How the hell is it Lucas' fault you guys didn't pay attention when he said NINE YEARS ago that he would never release the movies in their original version ever again? I bet you giys yell at the teacher when he gives you an "F" for not paying attention in class.

This wasn't a surprise to anyone who actually looked at the back of the box of the 1995 "One Last Time" edition of the trilogy. So other than SEs haters, the very fanboys that are a pox on all Star Wars fans, the very idiots that make the rest of us look like anal-retentive losers, why would any sane, rational, observant person be surprised?

Or did I just answere my own question?
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I'll use whatever icon I like, thank you very much.

"I'll never buy the Ses on VHS, DVD, etc". Whatever. You already own them on VHS, because you bought them back in '97 when they came out.

But the point I need to make is, how the hell can anyone act surpised that Lucas isn't going to put the rough-cut out on DVD? He said nine years ago, NINE YEARS AGO thar the "95 release was the LAST TIME the original versions would ever be released on video. So if you where actually paying any attention you'd known that he wans't going to release the rough-cut of the movies on DVD, or VHS, or lazer disc for the last NINE FREAKIN' YEARS.

How the hell is it Lucas' fault you guys didn't pay attention when he said NINE YEARS ago that he would never release the movies in their original version ever again? I bet you giys yell at the teacher when he gives you an "F" for not paying attention in class.

This wasn't a surprise to anyone who actually looked at the back of the box of the 1995 "One Last Time" edition of the trilogy. So other than SEs haters, the very fanboys that are a pox on all Star Wars fans, the very idiots that make the rest of us look like anal-retentive losers, why would any sane, rational, observant person be surprised?

Or did I just answere my own question?


Who said I was surprised? I'm Just upset about it thats all. I hoped that after Lucas saw so many people wanted the original OT (don't call it the rough cut, I was not watching a rough cut for 20 years, I was watching a classic) that he would change his mind.

Also I never bought the VHS ruined edition of the OT (since you want to call the classic the "rough cut" I'll call the "special edition" the ruined edition. )

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@Lord Peeler: If you expect to be taken serious by me, stop praying down the 'George is always right' mantra. The original theatrical cuts are not rough cuts. Your feeble attempts to extend Lucas' fictional reality into these message boards are bound to fail. Take off that brainslug and start thinking for yourself.

Btw, welcome to these boards. Welcome - to the real world.
Edit: Warbler --> apology accepted!
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But the point I need to make is, how the hell can anyone act surpised that Lucas isn't going to put the rough-cut out on DVD? He said nine years ago, NINE YEARS AGO thar the "95 release was the LAST TIME the original versions would ever be released on video. So if you where actually paying any attention you'd known that he wans't going to release the rough-cut of the movies on DVD, or VHS, or lazer disc for the last NINE FREAKIN' YEARS.

If I tell you that I'm gonna break your leg, does that make it any less of a bad think when I actually do?

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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I'll use whatever icon I like, thank you very much.

"I'll never buy the Ses on VHS, DVD, etc". Whatever. You already own them on VHS, because you bought them back in '97 when they came out.

But the point I need to make is, how the hell can anyone act surpised that Lucas isn't going to put the rough-cut out on DVD? He said nine years ago, NINE YEARS AGO thar the "95 release was the LAST TIME the original versions would ever be released on video. So if you where actually paying any attention you'd known that he wans't going to release the rough-cut of the movies on DVD, or VHS, or lazer disc for the last NINE FREAKIN' YEARS.

How the hell is it Lucas' fault you guys didn't pay attention when he said NINE YEARS ago that he would never release the movies in their original version ever again? I bet you giys yell at the teacher when he gives you an "F" for not paying attention in class.

This wasn't a surprise to anyone who actually looked at the back of the box of the 1995 "One Last Time" edition of the trilogy. So other than SEs haters, the very fanboys that are a pox on all Star Wars fans, the very idiots that make the rest of us look like anal-retentive losers, why would any sane, rational, observant person be surprised?

Or did I just answere my own question?


Who said I was surprised? I'm Just upset about it thats all. I hoped that after Lucas saw so many people wanted the original OT (don't call it the rough cut, I was not watching a rough cut for 20 years, I was watching a classic) that he would change his mind.

Also I never bought the VHS ruined edition of the OT (since you want to call the classic the "rough cut" I'll call the "special edition" the ruined edition. )



50,000 vs how many who will buy it? I wouldn't be surprised if it sold over 200,000 copies, if not more. So why would he care what 50,000 people who don't seem to like him in the first place think?

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I'll use whatever icon I like, thank you very much.

"I'll never buy the Ses on VHS, DVD, etc". Whatever. You already own them on VHS, because you bought them back in '97 when they came out.

But the point I need to make is, how the hell can anyone act surpised that Lucas isn't going to put the rough-cut out on DVD? He said nine years ago, NINE YEARS AGO thar the "95 release was the LAST TIME the original versions would ever be released on video. So if you where actually paying any attention you'd known that he wans't going to release the rough-cut of the movies on DVD, or VHS, or lazer disc for the last NINE FREAKIN' YEARS.

How the hell is it Lucas' fault you guys didn't pay attention when he said NINE YEARS ago that he would never release the movies in their original version ever again? I bet you giys yell at the teacher when he gives you an "F" for not paying attention in class.

This wasn't a surprise to anyone who actually looked at the back of the box of the 1995 "One Last Time" edition of the trilogy. So other than SEs haters, the very fanboys that are a pox on all Star Wars fans, the very idiots that make the rest of us look like anal-retentive losers, why would any sane, rational, observant person be surprised?

Or did I just answere my own question?


Who said I was surprised? I'm Just upset about it thats all. I hoped that after Lucas saw so many people wanted the original OT (don't call it the rough cut, I was not watching a rough cut for 20 years, I was watching a classic) that he would change his mind.

Also I never bought the VHS ruined edition of the OT (since you want to call the classic the "rough cut" I'll call the "special edition" the ruined edition. )


I've said in the past Lucas is a prick for not releasing TPM on DVD until after we bought it on VHS, and he is a prick for not releasing the Ultimate Edition ATOC soundrack, and releasing the Ultimate Edition TPM soundrack after we bought the regular edition.

And yes, Greedo shooting first sucks ass.

But overall, the SEs are better than the originals, they match better with the PT (which I'm sure most of these same fanboys hate) and I'm happy to have any version of Star Wars on DVD. In fact, Lucas is a prick for making us wait this long.

So, while I think Lucas is a great creator, great director and great writer, when it comes to $$$ he can be a bastard. But I'll take a bastard over a bunch of fanboys bitches any day.

Lucas doesn't own you a damned thing.
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
@Lord Peeler: If you expect to be taken serious by me, stop praying down the 'George is always right' mantra. The original theatrical cuts are not rough cuts. Your feeble attempts to extend Lucas' fictional reality into these message boards are bound to fail. Take off that brainslug and start thinking for yourself.

Btw, welcome to these boards. Welcome - to the real world.


If you threatened me nine years ago, I wouldn't be surprised at all when you tried to do it. And I would be prepared for it.

I wouldn't bitch about it.

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I am 16 and have grown up with the originals on VHS all my life. I loved um. Until the Special Editions came out.


You weren't even alive when the OT came out! By the time you were old enough to think for yourself the SE were out and the OT was out of print, so how the hell can you say you grew up with the OT? And how can you say "grown up"? You still are growing up!
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I'll use whatever icon I like, thank you very much.

"I'll never buy the Ses on VHS, DVD, etc". Whatever. You already own them on VHS, because you bought them back in '97 when they came out.

But the point I need to make is, how the hell can anyone act surpised that Lucas isn't going to put the rough-cut out on DVD? He said nine years ago, NINE YEARS AGO thar the "95 release was the LAST TIME the original versions would ever be released on video. So if you where actually paying any attention you'd known that he wans't going to release the rough-cut of the movies on DVD, or VHS, or lazer disc for the last NINE FREAKIN' YEARS.

How the hell is it Lucas' fault you guys didn't pay attention when he said NINE YEARS ago that he would never release the movies in their original version ever again? I bet you giys yell at the teacher when he gives you an "F" for not paying attention in class.

This wasn't a surprise to anyone who actually looked at the back of the box of the 1995 "One Last Time" edition of the trilogy. So other than SEs haters, the very fanboys that are a pox on all Star Wars fans, the very idiots that make the rest of us look like anal-retentive losers, why would any sane, rational, observant person be surprised?

Or did I just answere my own question?


I wasn't surprised, but I must admit, when I saw the interview on the 95 OT release, I didn't understand what the hell Lucas was talking about. How could some one make such a bold statement about the future when he had no idea what the future would bring? Who could've predicted that in 1995 dvds would be invented a few years later? That's enough reason to re-release the OT, just for the sake of it being on dvd. Its so arrogant for one man like Lucas to express so much control over something that had so much influence on the childhoods of millions of kids all over the world, and then finally deprive them of that childhood experience by sending it into permanent retirement. That's like Disney saying "we're not going to release Snow White anymore because we've come to the conclusion that its outdated and boring; from now on its going to gather dust in our vault
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
@Lord Peeler: If you expect to be taken serious by me, stop praying down the 'George is always right' mantra. The original theatrical cuts are not rough cuts. Your feeble attempts to extend Lucas' fictional reality into these message boards are bound to fail. Take off that brainslug and start thinking for yourself.

Btw, welcome to these boards. Welcome - to the real world.


If you threatened me nine years ago, I wouldn't be surprised at all when you tried to do it. And I would be prepared for it.

I wouldn't bitch about it.


However, even after I prepared for it, if you still managed to break my leg, I'm still going to be just as angry and in the same amount of pain. Point is wheither they know it ahead of time or not it is still just as wrong to break my leg.

I did like Lucas until he cracked. I think more than 200,000 copies would get sold. But I say it again why not combine the ruined edition with the orginal. They did it with T2, they can do it with The OT. Either way, he'd sell enough copies.

The OT should not be changed to fit with the PT, the PT should have been made to fit with the OT. I know the PT takes place first, but the OT was MADE first. What next? are they going to make altercations to the orginal Star Trek, just to make it fit better with Enterprise? Hey I know!, how bout they get Robert De Niro to dress up like the Older Vito Corleone of Godfather Part I, get him to perform all of Brando's lines from Part I and then use CGI to replace Brando with him? that would make GodFather Part I fit better with Godfather Part II wouldn't it?

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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
@Lord Peeler: If you expect to be taken serious by me, stop praying down the 'George is always right' mantra. The original theatrical cuts are not rough cuts. Your feeble attempts to extend Lucas' fictional reality into these message boards are bound to fail. Take off that brainslug and start thinking for yourself.

Btw, welcome to these boards. Welcome - to the real world.


If you threatened me nine years ago, I wouldn't be surprised at all when you tried to do it. And I would be prepared for it.

I wouldn't bitch about it.


However, even after I prepared for it, if you still managed to break my leg, I'm still going to be just as angry and in the same amount of pain. Point is wheither they know it ahead of time or not it is still just as wrong to break my leg.

I did like Lucas until he cracked. I think more than 200,000 copies would get sold. But I say it again why not combine the ruined edition with the orginal. They did it with T2, they can do it with The OT. Either way, he'd sell enough copies.

The OT should not be changed to fit with PT, the PT should have been made to fit with the OT. I know the PT takes place first, but the OT was MADE first. What next? are they going to make altercations to the orginal Star Trek, just to make it fit better with Enterprise? Hey I know!, how bout they get Robert De Niro to dress up like the Older Vito Corleone of Godfather Part I, get him to perform all of Brando's lines from Part I and then use CGI to replace Brando with him? that would make GodFather Part I fit better with Godfather Part II wouldn't it?


The "Legend" special edition dvd came with both the theatrical cut and the directors cut on two seperate discs, and both of them had only minimal differences between each other. Both of these for the price of one movie. Now why cant Lucas do the same thing with Star Wars? I'll tell everyone why! Because he's an overweight, self-loathing, compulsive perfectionist, with some greed here and there.
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Do you even concieve how lame it is to compare a DVD release to being in physical pain?

Do you realize that the story wasn't changed, just the effects? Luke is still from tatooine, he's still a whiny little bitch, he still meets up with Obi Wan, he still save the girl, blows up the Death Star, fights in the Battle of Hoth, get's trained by Yoda, learns that Vader is his pop, and redeems him in the end.

The movie is 98% the same. You are going to refuse to watch it because it has better special effects? Because Greedon shots first?

Do you conceive how lame that is? You are really just punishing yourself.
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Lord Peeler, I just want both versions on DVD. Don't you see how lame it is to campaign against such a goal? What are guys like you on about? Do you really think you can change my outlook on these things, when allmighty Lucas could not? What would you lose if both versions were released?!