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I’m curious what you all think is the single SE frame or “side-by-side” comparison of OUT/SE that is most telling about how godawful they are.

By this I don’t mean your “least favorite” change or the “most egregious” change or the “ugliest” change. Rather, what single frame in a nutshell demonstrates that the SEs not only suck, but are cinematic sh*t and the incomprehensibility of their existence.

I’ll start:

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Hayden is just a terrible change, but it can be explained. But having a huge ugly CGI lump blocking the screen during an iconic scene is completely baffling.

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I lol’ed at Boston. One of the most disappointing sophomore efforts the music industry ever saw combined with one of the most disappointing film franchise reboots ever.

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This is the one I bring up whenever someone tries to make the “George’s vision” argument. His true original vision was . . . a couple of extra rocks? More than anything else (besides maybe the door to Jabba’s Palace), I think this is the best illustration of how George was just changing stuff for the sake of changing it towards the end.

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I can’t decide…


Seriously, why are all these troops standing around when they should have been searching for the rebels? The perspective of the hangar is weird too.

Runner up. The droid that doesn’t look like it could exist outside of CGI bitchslapping the little spy droid. As if I didn’t hate these things being added to the stormtrooper shots!

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The next shot is great, too, with the copy and pasted stormtroopers on both sides of the road, with identical motions.

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TV’s Frink said:

Don’t Look Back is underrated.

Agreed. It did an admirable job of following up one of the best debuts of all time.

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joefavs said:

This is the one I bring up whenever someone tries to make the “George’s vision” argument. His true original vision was . . . a couple of extra rocks? More than anything else (besides maybe the door to Jabba’s Palace), I think this is the best illustration of how George was just changing stuff for the sake of changing it towards the end.

George’s vision was: A red jacket for a guy who is on screen for 2 seconds. This coudn’t have been done with 1977’s technology, so he had to do it for the Special Edition.

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Was that an actual color regrade though? It kind of just looks like the saturation has been bumped up a notch.

Pretty much every change in ROTJ is complete rubbish however.
Funnily enough I quite like the Hayden change though. Yeah it’s unnecessary, but at least there’s a reason behind it (the validity can be argued).
But Jedi Rocks? CGI Sarlacc? CGI R2D2? Vader’s “Noooo”? Jabba’s Palace door size and then shrinkage? What were the point of these?

I think the ESB SE ('97) is a tad better than the theatrical though, minus some wonky CGI.

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I honestly feel like the big uproar was blown way out of proportion.
While I think there never should have been a change in the first place, of all the changes it is probably the least damaging, except for the removal of Yub Nub. Yub Nub is shit.
Shaw is literally just a glorified cameo in the film, it’s not like Alec was turned into Samuel L. Jackson or something.

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I actually like there are more stormtroopers in the hangar.

Not the change itself, it looks like complete garbage. But the idea is funny. And makes more sense than the original.

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Ryan-SWI said:

Was that an actual color regrade though? It kind of just looks like the saturation has been bumped up a notch.

Pretty much every change in ROTJ is complete rubbish however.

Good thinking.

Funnily enough I quite like the Hayden change though. Yeah it’s unnecessary, but at least there’s a reason behind it (the validity can be argued).

I feel that this change was very unacceptable. First on a logic level it makes no sense. If you have a young Hayden why not CG Yoda and Ewan. Then I would personally say that the whole “Hayden is the version of the time when Anakin was last on the light side” argument completely ruins the importance of his turn in Jedi. And then on a nostalgic level obviously (combined with the logical problems) it ruins ultimately one of the most happy moments of the saga. That is why that and Vaders “Noo” are so criticized. They were mindless dumb changes to incredibly critical and nostalgic scenes.

But Jedi Rocks? CGI Sarlacc? CGI R2D2? Vader’s “Noooo”? Jabba’s Palace door size and then shrinkage? What were the point of these?

Now your back on track.

I think the ESB SE ('97) is a tad better than the theatrical though, minus some wonky CGI.

Pull out your 1997 SE VHS and skip to one of the most memorable movie scenes of all time (cloud city reveal). Absorb the weight and importance of the scene as Luke is tempted, he chooses to rather fall to an inevitable death, wait…is that the Emperors scream, oh god WTF is this.

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Ryan-SWI said:
I think the ESB SE ('97) is a tad better than the theatrical though, minus some wonky CGI.

I’m kind of with you on this, but even if the 97 was perfect, I would prefer the original. The only issues I have with it content wise are Luke’s scream and removing “Bring my shuttle” and its associated hoopla.

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Wazzles said:

Ryan-SWI said:
I think the ESB SE ('97) is a tad better than the theatrical though, minus some wonky CGI.

I’m kind of with you on this, but even if the 97 was perfect, I would prefer the original. The only issues I have with it content wise are Luke’s scream and removing “Bring my shuttle” and its associated hoopla.

Better how? Like by going through the trouble to supposedly make the emperor consistent with ROTJ yet actually make him look and dress utterly differently with a voice distinctly different from that in ROTJ? If they felt compelled to “fix” that they should have put in the effort to make it consistent with ROTJ instead of just using ROTS costumes and makeup.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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darthrush said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Funnily enough I quite like the Hayden change though. Yeah it’s unnecessary, but at least there’s a reason behind it (the validity can be argued).

I feel that this change was very unacceptable. First on a logic level it makes no sense. If you have a young Hayden why not CG Yoda and Ewan. Then I would personally say that the whole “Hayden is the version of the time when Anakin was last on the light side” argument completely ruins the importance of his turn in Jedi. And then on a nostalgic level obviously (combined with the logical problems) it ruins ultimately one of the most happy moments of the saga. That is why that and Vaders “Noo” are so criticized. They were mindless dumb changes to incredibly critical and nostalgic scenes.

I don’t agree with that “this is when Anakin was good argument”, either.
Trust me, I do agree with you that it’s a terrible change and one just for the sake of being there, I just personally don’t hate it because I never had any attachment to Shaw as Anakin in the slightest.
I think most of us can agree that we wouldn’t actually care that George tampered with the films if he’d just made the OOT readily available as well (minus crappy “Limited Edition” DVDs).

I think the ESB SE ('97) is a tad better than the theatrical though, minus some wonky CGI.

Pull out your 1997 SE VHS and skip to one of the most memorable movie scenes of all time (cloud city reveal). Absorb the weight and importance of the scene as Luke is tempted, he chooses to rather fall to an inevitable death, wait…is that the Emperors scream, oh god WTF is this.

I actually forgot about that sorry. No, I agree that the scream is complete junk and was glad it was removed for the '04 release. Other than the sream though, I do think the ESB SE makes some genuine improvements, though it’s no excuse to discard the OOT for this amount of time.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Wazzles said:

Ryan-SWI said:
I think the ESB SE ('97) is a tad better than the theatrical though, minus some wonky CGI.

I’m kind of with you on this, but even if the 97 was perfect, I would prefer the original. The only issues I have with it content wise are Luke’s scream and removing “Bring my shuttle” and its associated hoopla.

Better how? Like by going through the trouble to supposedly make the emperor consistent with ROTJ yet actually make him look and dress utterly differently with a voice distinctly different from that in ROTJ? If they felt compelled to “fix” that they should have put in the effort to make it consistent with ROTJ instead of just using ROTS costumes and makeup.

That was not in the 1997 Special Edition.

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Indeed, Emperor was in '04.
But let’s be honest, the original Emperor in ESB is absolutely shocking, and not in a good way.