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NO DEAL! Vegetarians are hippy queers...I love them!

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I'm back from the "stink bug funeral".

You guys do a lot of assuming. I have to tell you that your assumptions are totally wrong.

I have to agree with Gaffer Tape about everything. Couldn't have said it better myself, except the part of keeping the 'conversation' going. It's pointless.
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Of course. Sorry again about the relative question, that was a personal hit, I wasn't really thinking when I wrote it. Personal attacks are stupid on the internet, I know nothing about you and you know nothing about me, and that is true for everyone here.

Back to the topic. I do agree with you of the treatment of animals that are raised for slaughtering, sometimes they are treated pretty awful. A lot of guys I have known who are hunters or fishers have a lot of respect for animals they kill and who make a point to be as waste less as possible (then again I know of some with no regard for the animals they kill). I am completely against pointless killing of animals, or merely killing them for sport. But I do not see a problem with killing them if you are going to eat them. I fish and that is essentially killing them for sport, but I also enjoy cooking them and eating them just as much as I enjoy catching them. I would rather eat the fish I catch than buy fish from the grocery store and support salmon farms which treat the fish very poorly.

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We don't have to kill other animals to survive. We have been inspired and have created other means of sheltering and feeding ourselves that don't necessitate us to resort to murder. That's why I'm a vegetarian. And it's strange. As advanced as we are now, we give much less respect to what we kill than our ancestors, who had to kill animals did. Ancient tribes respected the life that had to be lost to sustain theirs. They were grateful to the animal and didn't waste a part of it. But nowadays, we raise animals on factory farms, who have no other life than being prepared for food. They are abused and slaughtered. I'll start faulting animals for their part in the food chain when I see a tiger herd up a bunch of antelope and keep them all around in horrible conditions until he's ready to kill them.


I think the main reason more people aren't vegetarians, or at least the main reason that I'm not one anyway, is that it deprives us of many of the necessary nutrients that we as humans need to survive. I have a friend who is 100% vegan, and she is very thin, with dry yellowed skin; she's always tired, and she has to take a handful of vitamin pills every morning, as well as a bottle of water wherever she goes, because her diet basically consists of pita bread and hummus (at least at lunch, anyway). It just seems like meat was meant to be a natural part of our diet, otherwise those who abstain from it wouldn't have to resort to artificial means to get their essential nutrients.

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C3PX: Yeah, I have no problem with you fishing, as I agree that catching your own fish is better than supporting the industry. It's used for your own personal consumption, and I don't see that as a problem.

Nanner: That's always something that people bring up, but, just like with any way of eating, it all depends on what you eat. Just like so many people who eat meat can be horrible fat asses who drop dead of a heart attack at 30, vegetarians can be pale, gaunt, and equally unhealthy. It all depends on what you eat, and it's perfectly legitimate for a vegetarian to be as healthy as a meat-eater. I haven't eaten meat in two years, yet I'm 160 pounds and appear to be in great health (at least I'm pretty sure I am...). My girlfriend is equally healthy. I have been taking a nightly multivitamin ever since I can remember, and I haven't had to change that regimen in becoming a vegetarian. I eat diverse and healthy meals on a regular basis. It can be a bit more challenging, but to me it's worth it. Your friend needs to eat better, is all I can say. Heh, I wish Yoda Is Your Father was around. I'm sure he'd have some things to add to this.

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First off, it is clear to me that many animals have powerful abilities to think thoughts and feel emotions. They learn, dream, communicate, form social attachments, and sometimes even invent new methods and new tools for themselves. However, human beings dwarf animals in these regards by an enormous factor. In fact, the comparison is so drastic that we can almost say that animals are completely incapable of doing those very same things in the way we understand human capabilities described with the same language. However, the reason for this is not obvious by any means.

If all life is “equal” where one form of life should not be considered of a higher value than another, then it should be just as easy to argue that we shouldn’t eat or kill plants either. Simply because we need them to survive shouldn’t make a fundamental difference if we are fundamentally identical. In this sense we should at least regard the consumption of plant life as a necessary evil. Certainly we can find relative differences in “value” between one plant and another plant, between a plant and an animal, between one animal and another animal, between animals and humans, and even between one human being and another human being, but if our fundamental potential is the same, there is no moral distinction between any kind of life, and the value of everything is merely reduced to utilitarian concerns.

I believe there are fundamental differences between plants and animals, and between animals and humans, despite the fact that we all share certain fundamental qualities. It is these observable differences in our fundamental natures that define the rights of human beings, animals, and plants. Rejecting this set of logic and reasoned priorities is a foolish approach to the world and can lead to evil, unethical behavior on our part (I’ll touch on that in a bit).


Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Sarcasm aside, if forced, would I sacrifice a non-human animal for a human? Of course. I'd be sad about it, but, ultimately, I do hold human life in slightly higher regard than animal life. Our intelligence is much superior to that of other animals, but most humans seem to take some ego trip with that statement. Or the statement in the Bible where God puts man in charge over the animals. Most people don't seem to realize that that makes animals our responsibility rather than our playthings to do with as we wish.

I agree with that statement completely. Human beings should care for the natural world and animals in particular. Animals are not there for us to abuse, or treat without regard for their mental capabilities. It is morally wrong for us to destroy them for unwise or cruel reasons.


Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Ever since ancient times, man has used animals for food, shelter, and a myriad of other purposes. Why? Because he had to. Just like animals have to eat other animals to survive. Well, guess what? The world isn't like that any more. As has been stated, we are superior to animals. We don't have to kill other animals to survive. We have been inspired and have created other means of sheltering and feeding ourselves that don't necessitate us to resort to murder. That's why I'm a vegetarian.

Now I must disagree somewhat. First, human beings “need” animal protein. Second, human beings “need” animals as a natural resource to support many different parts of our economy. Third, animal populations (such as those of seals) “need” to often be kept in check (particularly with the way our “advanced” society affects the natural world in unnatural ways) and a good way to do this is to allow human beings to harvest animals. Fourth, human beings “need” to stay in touch with the natural world and its cycle of life and death, and harvesting animals keeps us tied to this beneficial reality.


Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
And it's strange. As advanced as we are now, we give much less respect to what we kill than our ancestors, who had to kill animals did. Ancient tribes respected the life that had to be lost to sustain theirs. They were grateful to the animal and didn't waste a part of it. But nowadays, we raise animals on factory farms, who have no other life than being prepared for food. They are abused and slaughtered. I'll start faulting animals for their part in the food chain when I see a tiger herd up a bunch of antelope and keep them all around in horrible conditions until he's ready to kill them.


I completely agree that many modern techniques for raising animals for slaughter are certainly undesirable (from the standpoint of compassion and health). Thankfully the free market seems to be offering alternatives (though at higher prices) and we can consume animals that have been raised for slaughter in better conditions if we choose.

However, I would highly disagree that factory farms are evil. They offer generally clean food at amazingly low cost. This can have many benefits, not just in our “advanced” society, but in others as well. For instance, considering the level of starvation in the world, such techniques could do a lot of good. What you “need” is often relative to what you want to do.


Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
By the by, I also find it quite hilarious how all of you seem to think we equate factory farms and meat eaters with Hitler's genocide of the Jews when Hitler himself was a vegetarian. Yeah, kinda hard to live down (you don't see many vegetarians hyping that aspect of the history), but I still find it quite humorous when you make that bizarre and ironic of a comparison.


We aren’t equating animal consumption with cannibalism or Nazism. We’re simply asking people like Mark or LS to describe the level at which they equate humans with animals. Also we desire to have them describe the consistency with which they approach their view of the world.

I actually find it quite interesting that Hitler was a vegetarian. It might actually point somewhat to the ethic that allowed him to devalue human life in pursuit of personal power. The Nazis were generally strong environmentalists in a Darwinist sense. They saw us human beings as animals that had evolved to our level because we were the strongest, and the strongest always survive (supposedly). They then saw other classifications of human beings (“races”) as expendable in pursuit of superiority in the same way that one animal will treat another animal as expendable in order to advance its evolution (according to Darwinism). They believed that man alone had a unique destiny, and they believed they were collectively working to bring about the ultimate form of mankind. It’s crazy shit, but pretty complicated and impressive in terms of a reasoned, teachable ideology.

While modern “animal rights activists” are quite different from Nazis in the sense that they seek to preserve all life, they are similar in the sense that they believe animal life and human life to be fundamentally the same. Both ideologies believe that humans competed with animals and took on a higher-evolved form of animal life. The difference is that one sees our fundamental equality as something that we all seek to evolve away from, with competitive survival and distinctions of utilitarian value as the ultimate goal of life, while the other sees competitive survival and distinctions of utilitarian value as a necessary evil of lesser-evolved beings, with the fundamental equality of all life being the most important concept that we are all evolving toward. But, both fall into the trap of making life a concept to be valued only practical reasons and reject the fundamental basis for our system of ethics. I firmly believe that human beings are not simply of a higher value than animals in some relative sense like this.

When we approach the idea of “animal rights” from the standpoint of basic ethics (the way we determine what is normally right or wrong), we can very clearly begin to see that animals cannot have rights in the way human beings do. Human societies protect the lives and the freedoms of human beings because that protection reinforces the idea of mutual respect. I respect your right to live and your right to exercise your authority as a human being because I want you to similarly respect my equal rights as another human being.

Animals, almost by definition, do not and cannot respect human beings as if they were making an ethical choice to do so. From a scientific standpoint, animal life flows toward equilibrium with the rest of the natural world, a state that is unchanging over time unless acted upon by external factors, much more like our physical surroundings than any kind of being with a historical, moral mind like our own. Just as plants, weather, rocks, and other aspects of our environment have no understanding of right or wrong (good and evil), animals also display the exact same kind of neutrality.

Unless we consider a non-human capable of displaying a moral consciousness on our level, we should never, ever equate the fundamental value of human beings with other forms of life. Our higher value is not just because we can accomplish more, it is because we have a mind that can discern right from wrong, and then act on the basis of that very discernment. That is the fundamental basis of our laws and all of our human morality. And while we certainly have animal aspects to our nature, we have something more than that, and I will not back down from people who wish to cheapen human life by ascribing the fundamental worth of an ethical being to animals when they clearly exhibit no such thing.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
I am completely against pointless killing of animals, or merely killing them for sport.


"Merely" killing for sport, cruelly or unwisely ignoring other proper concerns is definitely wrong, but I would like to clarify that killing animals for sport is not wrong by itself in every instance. There are honorable and wise approaches to killing animals for sport, and we simply have to keep them in mind if we engage in such sport. (I personally don't hunt animals and never have, but I respect the tradition.)

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You bring up some interesting points, Tiptup. I don't like quoting multiple parts of posts at once, so I'll just reference you as best I can. It's interesting what you said about factory farms, because I've pondered the very same thing myself. I hesitate to call it a necessary evil because I have a hard time accepting that something as cruel as that can be necessary. Bear with me for a minute. For the uninformed, before the advancements of preservation and refrigeration, meat was not eaten nearly as often as it is today. That and the cost was very high. As the ability to eat meat grew, the demand for it increased proportionately, and, as the demand grew, the industry of meat became profitable. Continue on, and, due to the high consumption of meat products now, it is hardly cost-efficient to produce meat without going to the factory farm system. I understand that. But it still seems like a poor tradeoff. I agree with your statement of one form of life being fundamentally from other forms of life. Well, in that case, a living consumer product is certainly distinguishable from a non-living consumer product. So you can hardly deem it fair or ethical to treat live animals in the same way you would treat the production of a chair or a car on an assembly line. But there's the dilemna. How can you keep up with the demand of hundreds of millions of people while still treating the animals you're preparing for consumption as living creatures? I honestly don't have an answer for that. But I can't allow myself to support it.

But I have to totally disagree with you on the notion of killing animals for sport. Even when I ate meat, I detested such reasoning, as I find it a blatant disregard and complete waste of life. Nowadays, I'm sure that anybody who hunts or fishes does so because they enjoy it to some degree. I never "hunted" per se, but I did used to fish on occasion when I was a little kid. Though it was usually catch and release, I did keep one, I believe. And, yes, I did so because I enjoyed it. But I would never kill for the sake of killing, and, as far as I can tell, most people (or at least most people I've known) hunt not only because they enjoy it but because they then use the animal for food. And while I may not ever be able to stomach the thought of going out and killing animals, I can respect that more than I can for people hunting "for sport."

Heh, and it seems my Hitler thing has been misinterpreted again, so let me again reiterate: I just think it's a funny and ironic comparison since Hitler was a vegetarian, and I do indeed understand the context in which it was originally being used.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: C3PX
I am completely against pointless killing of animals, or merely killing them for sport.


"Merely" killing for sport, cruelly or unwisely ignoring other proper concerns is definitely wrong, but I would like to clarify that killing animals for sport is not wrong by itself in every instance. There are honorable and wise approaches to killing animals for sport, and we simply have to keep them in mind if we engage in such sport. (I personally don't hunt animals and never have, but I respect the tradition.)


By "merely killing them for sport" I meant to say, hunting and not taking, or wasteful and reckless hunting habits. I met a guy once who bragged about shooting over 150 small game birds in a day. He proudly showed me a picture of himself proudly holding his shotgun surrounded by dead birds. If you shoot a few of them you can go home and pluck them and cook them fair enough, but he kept going merely because he was enjoying himself, and he went way too far. The majority of those birds ended up being thrown away, if any were used for food at all. They are a pain to pluck so it is not like you can call up your friends and say I got a few two many do you want some? Because very few people are willing to do all that work for such a tiny amount of meat. You have guys who will hunt deer, and when they make a kill they will just leave it. You are only allowed a certain number a deer every year, by abandoning them and pretending you didn't get anything allows you to get a better deer later and lets you kill more. These types of hunters are reckless. You have a lot of guys who do things like this and it makes hunters in general look bad. Both of these examples are illegal and if somebody doing either of them were to get caught he would have a hefty fine and possible jail time, but you would be surprised how many people get away with things like this. By "merely killing them for sport" this is what type of behavior I was referring too.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
By "merely killing them for sport" I meant to say, hunting and not taking, or wasteful and reckless hunting habits. I met a guy once who bragged about shooting over 150 small game birds in a day. He proudly showed me a picture of himself proudly holding his shotgun surrounded by dead birds. If you shoot a few of them you can go home and pluck them and cook them fair enough, but he kept going merely because he was enjoying himself, and he went way too far. The majority of those birds ended up being thrown away, if any were used for food at all. They are a pain to pluck so it is not like you can call up your friends and say I got a few two many do you want some? Because very few people are willing to do all that work for such a tiny amount of meat. You have guys who will hunt deer, and when they make a kill they will just leave it. You are only allowed a certain number a deer every year, by abandoning them and pretending you didn't get anything allows you to get a better deer later and lets you kill more. These types of hunters are reckless. You have a lot of guys who do things like this and it makes hunters in general look bad. Both of these examples are illegal and if somebody doing either of them were to get caught he would have a hefty fine and possible jail time, but you would be surprised how many people get away with things like this. By "merely killing them for sport" this is what type of behavior I was referring too.


Yeah, I was already guessing that to be your belief and totally agree with your condemnation of the behavior you condemn. It's really sick to senselessly kill and waste animals like that. In addition, I don't like people that enjoy hurting animals at all. That's even more twisted.

And, Gaffer, I do understand your concerns about factory farms and hunting for sport. I personally don't like factory farms and try not to get meat that would have come from one, but at the same time, there are worse ways for animals to live their lives. I think of it as giving the animals a life they probably don't enjoy very much, but at the same time I can't really say they're purposely being mistreated (well, up until the slaughtering takes place of course). And in terms of hunting for sport, I meant that hunting for sport, with the intent of using the animal respectably and doing nothing cruel to it, can be perfectly fine to me on its own. I don't think the fact that the experience is a "game" makes it wrong or disrespectful by default. In fact, I believe the sport aspect can make harvesting an animal even more honorable since the animals are wild and often have a good chance to get away.

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Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
That makes absolutely no sense.

None whatsoever.


You've have to be a /b/tard to understand or understand 4chan memes.

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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
That makes absolutely no sense.

None whatsoever.


You've have to be a /b/tard to understand or understand 4chan memes.


so why the hell are you posting it on a STAR WARS website????

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