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I was't necessarily trying to defend you Tiptup, I know you are able to do that yourself. I was more in it for defending the whole concept of reason.


Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Originally posted by: C3PX
I think putting an animal life at a higher value than a whole family of humans is pretty ignorant and uneducated, but hey, that is just me.


How so? I believe life is life, and all should be treated equal. We need to share the planet, and not own it.


Are you joking? I am going to assume you are. There is something extremely dicked up when people start seriously equating animal life with that of a humans. A life is a life? That means if you run over a puppy (on accident) it is no different than running over a child? In that case eating a BigMac might as well be cannibalism. When a cat kills a mouse are we going to put the thing on trial for murder? We need to share our planet, not own it? In nature animals eat other animals, why is it so evil for humans to eat animals? By this line of thought, you are saying a typically guy who likes to go hunting ones a year is as menacing as the D.C. sniper. Or a forest fire is as much of a tradgedy as the Oklahoma City bombing. I seriously hope people are not starting to think this way. If they do then society is in for a hell of a mess.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
How so? I believe life is life, and all should be treated equal. We need to share the planet, and not own it.


No you don't you silly fuck face. Would you like to extend voting rights to US born lady bugs? People like you make me giggle.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
I was't necessarily trying to defend you Tiptup, I know you are able to do that yourself. I was more in it for defending the whole concept of reason.


Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Originally posted by: C3PX
I think putting an animal life at a higher value than a whole family of humans is pretty ignorant and uneducated, but hey, that is just me.


How so? I believe life is life, and all should be treated equal. We need to share the planet, and not own it.


Are you joking? I am going to assume you are. There is something extremely dicked up when people start seriously equating animal life with that of a humans. A life is a life? That means if you run over a puppy (on accident) it is no different than running over a child? In that case eating a BigMac might as well be cannibalism. When a cat kills a mouse are we going to put the thing on trial for murder? We need to share our planet, not own it? In nature animals eat other animals, why is it so evil for humans to eat animals? By this line of thought, you are saying a typically guy who likes to go hunting ones a year is as menacing as the D.C. sniper. Or a forest fire is as much of a tradgedy as the Oklahoma City bombing. I seriously hope people are not starting to think this way. If they do then society is in for a hell of a mess.


I am dead serious. And I neversaid anything about the food chain. That is nature. Why do you think human life is superior to that of animals? Because we talk and walk? How many animals do you know who have started wars? Or bombed building for their own stupid religious beliefs? As for your hunter/sniper comparison, they are equally stupid. Why is it ok for a guy to sit in the bushes and wait for an innocent animal to come by and then shoot it? Is that a sport? Give me a break. If more people started thinking this way society would be way better off, because the human race is the most fucked up 'animal' on the planet. It's all about live and compassion for it. Because that's what we all (humans & animals) do.

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Originally posted by: Rob
Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
How so? I believe life is life, and all should be treated equal. We need to share the planet, and not own it.


No you don't you silly fuck face. Would you like to extend voting rights to US born lady bugs? People like you make me giggle.


That is the most stupid fucked up thing I have ever heard. Go play with Hank or whatever.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Why do you think human life is superior to that of animals? Because we talk and walk?

Because we have huge brains which allow us to act on reason and logic rather than simple instinct.

Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
How many animals do you know who have started wars?

Animal wars or people wars?

Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Why is it ok for a guy to sit in the bushes and wait for an innocent animal to come by and then shoot it?


Because people get hungry.

Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
The human race is the most fucked up 'animal' on the planet.


You obviously don't watch much Animal Planet. I can't remember the last time I bit someone in half.

Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
It's all about live and compassion for it. Because that's what we all (humans & animals) do.


If that's what we humans did we would still be living in the trees.


By the way you leave Lil' Hanks out of this.

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Those are all well thought out answers. I really have changed my view now. But seriously, these are my beliefs, and I stand behind them. I guess I just see the world differently than some others.
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Holy crap dude. You just changed some of your views because Rob posted a few words of common sense? Really well thought out answers? Are humans loosing the ability to think? Differently than some others? I really hope they are different, if too many people think like you... it makes me shudder.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Common sense? Give me a break. Living in trees? We like to eat. It's all sarcasm.
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Mark you can't possibly believe that all life is equal. Does this philosophy stop at rodents, or does it go all the way down to bugs and even plants? Pay attention folks, this is where the crazy jack ass begins to ignore direct questions.

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What part of life is life don't you understand. Answer: YES. And because I have different view than you I'm a crazy jackass? And so far nobody has answered my questions. Why do you think all life is NOT equal?
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I'm sorry to be redundant , but I just have to be sure that I fully understand your philosophy. Do you see any moral difference between stabbing a human baby to death with a pen, and killing an ant?

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Alright. Now I know you're just being a silly pickle. Why did you pretend that you were being genuine for so long? You're very very funny.

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Yes Rob, a life is a life what part of that don't you understand. Mark, I have no idea how old you are, but I am beginning to imagine you are quite young. There are leaps of differences between human and animal life. The fact that you see them as equal is a bit disturbing. In order to hold your point you are going to have to adjust certain standards that have been conditioned in you are a product of society. You are either going to have to raise the value of animal life to that of a human, or you are going to have to lower the value of human life to that of an animal. I assume you are a vegetarian, if you are not I find this even more disturbing. Either way for your line of reasoning a McDonald's might as well be serving human flesh. If you raise animal life to the value of a humans then you must find it very disturbing every time you walk down the street and see any sort of food service. When you walk down the grocery store isle and see a pack of frozen chicken legs they might as well be frozen human appendages. How does this not drive you mad? How could you ever be friends with anyone who eats or has ever eaten meat? It would be like being pals with a practicing cannibal. Anyone like myself (fishing is a big hobby of mine) you would have to equate with Hitler for the mass "murderings" I do.

If you lower human life to the level of a mere animal, then you have to have a very low opinion of your peers. If somebody you do not know dies you would treat this with the same indifference of somebody stepping on a bug. Seeing a small child get mowed down by a car would be no different to you than seeing a dead cat on the side of the road. The picture Sean posted of the cat would have the same affect on you as that of a picture of a bleeding human corps.

My guess is that neither of these is the case, if they were I don't see how you could function in society. I imagine you have some middle ground you have compromised on. I still think you would have a difficult time fitting in with society.

Okay, the difference between animal and human life: Can a mouse build a mousetrap? No. It uses its instincts. It is all instincts. The cat will use the same methods over and over and over again while trying to catch a mouse. Cats don't display emotion. If two cats live in the same home for many years and one dies, the other will hardly even notice it. Its corps could be in the same room for a number of days and the cat would react to it with indifference. Put the same situation with two humans, and the experience would be tramatizing. Having your friend or roommate die, then being in the same room with his body for a few days. When the mother of your dog dies, your dog doesn't even really care. If they were close, then maybe he will whine for a day or two and look sad. But he will be over it in a week. A human looses his mother, it can take a year before he gets back on a solid track in life, and he could very well live the rest of his life without getting over the trauma. These are some very minor examples of the differences between humans and animals. This could go on for ever and in much more detail. There is a very distinct difference. Do animals love? Do they cry? Do they communicate anywhere near the level humans are capable of communicating on? Can they think for themselves? Can they plan, design, and build? Can they dream? Can they hope? Can they be inspired? Can they draw? Can they write books? When a pack of animals is being chased by a lion and one gets caught, do the others stop and risk their lives to help it? Humans do. Why? Can you seriously not see the distinction?

EDIT: Yeah, I agree Rob. He very well be taking the piss. At least I hope so.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Yeah, I agree Rob. He very well be taking the piss. At least I hope so.


At first I thought he was serious, but it's pretty clear now that he's pulling our cocks. If he isn't that would be incredible. It's not impossible. He may be some fuck face whose parents are drugged out hippy freaks or religious cult nuts.

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My guess he is a thirteen year old who spent too much time watching Bambi.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Mark hasn't posted in a while. He must be at a stink bug funeral or something.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Okay, the difference between animal and human life: Can a mouse build a mousetrap? No. It uses its instincts. It is all instincts. The cat will use the same methods over and over and over again while trying to catch a mouse. Cats don't display emotion. If two cats live in the same home for many years and one dies, the other will hardly even notice it. Its corps could be in the same room for a number of days and the cat would react to it with indifference. Put the same situation with two humans, and the experience would be tramatizing. Having your friend or roommate die, then being in the same room with his body for a few days. When the mother of your dog dies, your dog doesn't even really care. If they were close, then maybe he will whine for a day or two and look sad. But he will be over it in a week. A human looses his mother, it can take a year before he gets back on a solid track in life, and he could very well live the rest of his life without getting over the trauma. These are some very minor examples of the differences between humans and animals. This could go on for ever and in much more detail. There is a very distinct difference. Do animals love? Do they cry? Do they communicate anywhere near the level humans are capable of communicating on? Can they think for themselves? Can they plan, design, and build? Can they dream? Can they hope? Can they be inspired? Can they draw? Can they write books? When a pack of animals is being chased by a lion and one gets caught, do the others stop and risk their lives to help it? Humans do. Why? Can you seriously not see the distinction?


I'm sorry, but I have to say that most of that paragraph is complete bullshit. Of course animals think and feel. It's absurd to think they don't. But then again, maybe I'm wrong. You seem to have a great deal of insight into the animal psyche. Last I checked, they couldn't even talk, so it's fascinating that you seem to be convinced that you are aware of "grieving patterns" or displays of emotions in animals.

Sarcasm aside, if forced, would I sacrifice a non-human animal for a human? Of course. I'd be sad about it, but, ultimately, I do hold human life in slightly higher regard than animal life. Our intelligence is much superior to that of other animals, but most humans seem to take some ego trip with that statement. Or the statement in the Bible where God puts man in charge over the animals. Most people don't seem to realize that that makes animals our responsibility rather than our playthings to do with as we wish. Ever since ancient times, man has used animals for food, shelter, and a myriad of other purposes. Why? Because he had to. Just like animals have to eat other animals to survive. Well, guess what? The world isn't like that any more. As has been stated, we are superior to animals. We don't have to kill other animals to survive. We have been inspired and have created other means of sheltering and feeding ourselves that don't necessitate us to resort to murder. That's why I'm a vegetarian. And it's strange. As advanced as we are now, we give much less respect to what we kill than our ancestors, who had to kill animals did. Ancient tribes respected the life that had to be lost to sustain theirs. They were grateful to the animal and didn't waste a part of it. But nowadays, we raise animals on factory farms, who have no other life than being prepared for food. They are abused and slaughtered. I'll start faulting animals for their part in the food chain when I see a tiger herd up a bunch of antelope and keep them all around in horrible conditions until he's ready to kill them.

By the by, I also find it quite hilarious how all of you seem to think we equate factory farms and meat eaters with Hitler's genocide of the Jews when Hitler himself was a vegetarian. Yeah, kinda hard to live down (you don't see many vegetarians hyping that aspect of the history), but I still find it quite humorous when you make that bizarre and ironic of a comparison.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
We have been inspired and have created other means of sheltering and feeding ourselves that don't necessitate us to resort to murder



Please stop using the word murder. Murder is a legal term which means to kill unlawfully and it applies only to human beings.

murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another

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Forgive me. In the interest of being grammatically correct, I'll say "killing." Is that fine with you? Just let me know, Rob.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Just to defend the Hitler comparison real quick, what is so laughable about it? I choose him because he is a historical figure who is attributed with mass killings. I have killed a good deal of fish in my life time, and I asked if that would make me like Hitler in the eyes of someone who equates animal life to human life. It was a fair enough comparison. Mass murder of humans vs. mass murder of animals. It has nothing to do with Hitler being a vegetarian. Why do you get so offended on his behalf? Relative of yours?

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Killing is fine. Killing can be fun. Murder is usually pretty bad though.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Just to defend the Hitler comparison real quick, what is so laughable about it? I choose him because he is a historical figure who is attributed with mass killings. I have killed a good deal of fish in my life time, and I asked if that would make me like Hitler in the eyes of someone who equates animal life to human life. It was a fair enough comparison. Mass murder of humans vs. mass murder of animals. It has nothing to do with Hitler being a vegetarian. Why do you get so offended on his behalf? Relative of yours?


I didn't say I was offended. Where did I say I was offended? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I believe I said it was funny because of the irony. I've always found it very ironic as well that Hitler was against the killing of animals but had no problem with executing human beings. You don't find it ironic and humorous that you're making a toungue-in-cheek comparison of yourself (and other meat eaters) to Hitler when Hitler's moral agenda was so far out of whack that he actually wouldn't kill an animal while simultaneously slaughtering humans? I wish we could keep this good-natured because I don't fault you for eating meat any more than I wish you wouldn't fault me for abstaining from that practice. So I really wish you wouldn't warp what I say.

Honestly, I have no problem with people who eat meat. Since the majority of the people in the world do, I'd be hard-pressed to find anybody I liked if I based my companionship based solely on their dietary habits. Honestly, the consumption of meat is a perfectly natural thing for humans to do. I don't believe the way in which meat is killed today fits in line with that instinct, though. And since I don't have to kill (note I didn't say murder this time) for my food and can still enjoy my burgers and hot dogs and chicken nuggets and sliced turkey without animals being involved, I choose to do that.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: C3PX
Just to defend the Hitler comparison real quick, what is so laughable about it? I choose him because he is a historical figure who is attributed with mass killings. I have killed a good deal of fish in my life time, and I asked if that would make me like Hitler in the eyes of someone who equates animal life to human life. It was a fair enough comparison. Mass murder of humans vs. mass murder of animals. It has nothing to do with Hitler being a vegetarian. Why do you get so offended on his behalf? Relative of yours?


I didn't say I was offended. Where did I say I was offended? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I believe I said it was funny because of the irony. I've always found it very ironic as well that Hitler was against the killing of animals but had no problem with executing human beings. You don't find it ironic and humorous that you're making a toungue-in-cheek comparison of yourself (and other meat eaters) to Hitler when Hitler's moral agenda was so far out of whack that he actually wouldn't kill an animal while simultaneously slaughtering humans? I wish we could keep this good-natured because I don't fault you for eating meat any more than I wish you wouldn't fault me for abstaining from that practice. So I really wish you wouldn't warp what I say.

Honestly, I have no problem with people who eat meat. Since the majority of the people in the world do, I'd be hard-pressed to find anybody I liked if I based my companionship based solely on their dietary habits. Honestly, the consumption of meat is a perfectly natural thing for humans to do. I don't believe the way in which meat is killed today fits in line with that instinct, though. And since I don't have to kill (note I didn't say murder this time) for my food and can still enjoy my burgers and hot dogs and chicken nuggets and sliced turkey without animals being involved, I choose to do that.



Gaffer, sorry, I guess my last post with asking if Hitler was your relative may have sounded a bit sharp. Okay, I understand your point about the irony now that you explained that he didn't like to kill animals but didn't mind killing people. I misunderstood, I thought you were saying that it was a stupid comparison because he was a vegetarian. I didn't mean to warp what you were saying, I just misunderstood it.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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It's cool. I understand. I just sensed this was getting out of hand from heated debate to personal fight. I know that the whole meat issue is a sensitive and polarized subject that can often escalate beyond the issue and into the perception of the person. The meat-eaters think the vegetarians are delusional hippies with no grasp on reality or practical sense. The vegetarians think the meat-eaters are cruel and oblivious to the value of life. I wouldn't mind continuing this conversation as long as I know that we can keep those assumed views of each other from developing and interfering with the subject and keep from getting offended and turning this into a fight. Deal?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.